January 2018 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Aare questions

by Norbert Hartl

Iâm in there, too, because I feel the same importance. Need to allocate some time Norbert > Am 21.01.2018 um 11:46 schrieb Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi hernan > > I will try to allocate more time to understand the execution because I > think that this is important > for our community to get a workflow engine. > So I take it as a reverse engineering exercise. Now I'm super busy so > I will get slow on it. > > Stef > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:31 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Stef, >> >> 2018-01-21 5:17 GMT-03:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: >>> Hi hernan >>> >>> I started to clean the code in my fork. >>> If you want to contribute let me know. >> >> I don't know enough about workflow implementations yet. However I know >> how to run or what to expect from them. >> So I could give some feedback from there at first. >> >>> I started to clean all misclassified methods to force me to read the >>> code. (I used them as a marker to know if I passed on the code). >> >> That could result in a nice browser feature: To flag methods from menu >> item adding specific icon, maybe possible in Calypso? :) >> >>> For the moment I made sure that the code loads. >>> - I created the variable as subclass of Object >>> - I removed the dependencies to omnibase. >>> >>> I added class comments about what I understood. >>> I'm about to continue writing structural tests >>> and I will start to try to understand how to run a workflow. >>> >> >> Maybe someone at Netstyle has some expressions to begin with? >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:02 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >>> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I decided to give a try to Aare or Workflow in Pharo 6, following >>>> instructions in https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow . However, the >>>> installation script raised a Warning about missing WADynamicVariable >>>> class. Should I install Seaside? >>>> >>>> I've been using a couple of bioinformatics workflows the last years, >>>> specially Taverna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Taverna) and >>>> Galaxy (https://www.galaxyproject.org/) both of them huge code bases >>>> maintained since some years now and with very active communities from >>>> biological sciences. I found a cool video showing Galaxy features: >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYzMWWRMN8 >>>> >>>> As impressive as you may think, they are not a Panacea for workflow >>>> execution. An installation process could get really complicated, for >>>> example interfacing with nginx and PostgreSQL, and customization of >>>> toolshed could end in endless editing XML specifications. >>>> >>>> I just skim through the white paper, but unfortunately didn't >>>> recognized any of the compared features or workflow systems. >>>> Is Aare intended to support only business workflows patterns? >>>> Considering the Galaxy video above, do you think scientific workflows >>>> could be supported in Aare or it is a completely different route? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> HernÃ¡n >>>> >>> >>

Jan. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Aare questions

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi hernan I will try to allocate more time to understand the execution because I think that this is important for our community to get a workflow engine. So I take it as a reverse engineering exercise. Now I'm super busy so I will get slow on it. Stef On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:31 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > 2018-01-21 5:17 GMT-03:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: >> Hi hernan >> >> I started to clean the code in my fork. >> If you want to contribute let me know. > > I don't know enough about workflow implementations yet. However I know > how to run or what to expect from them. > So I could give some feedback from there at first. > >> I started to clean all misclassified methods to force me to read the >> code. (I used them as a marker to know if I passed on the code). > > That could result in a nice browser feature: To flag methods from menu > item adding specific icon, maybe possible in Calypso? :) > >> For the moment I made sure that the code loads. >> - I created the variable as subclass of Object >> - I removed the dependencies to omnibase. >> >> I added class comments about what I understood. >> I'm about to continue writing structural tests >> and I will start to try to understand how to run a workflow. >> > > Maybe someone at Netstyle has some expressions to begin with? > > HernÃ¡n > > >> Stef >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:02 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I decided to give a try to Aare or Workflow in Pharo 6, following >>> instructions in https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow . However, the >>> installation script raised a Warning about missing WADynamicVariable >>> class. Should I install Seaside? >>> >>> I've been using a couple of bioinformatics workflows the last years, >>> specially Taverna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Taverna) and >>> Galaxy (https://www.galaxyproject.org/) both of them huge code bases >>> maintained since some years now and with very active communities from >>> biological sciences. I found a cool video showing Galaxy features: >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYzMWWRMN8 >>> >>> As impressive as you may think, they are not a Panacea for workflow >>> execution. An installation process could get really complicated, for >>> example interfacing with nginx and PostgreSQL, and customization of >>> toolshed could end in endless editing XML specifications. >>> >>> I just skim through the white paper, but unfortunately didn't >>> recognized any of the compared features or workflow systems. >>> Is Aare intended to support only business workflows patterns? >>> Considering the Galaxy video above, do you think scientific workflows >>> could be supported in Aare or it is a completely different route? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> HernÃ¡n >>> >> >

Jan. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] looking for another iterator :)

by Ben Coman

On 21 January 2018 at 18:36, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > I would like to iterate at max on a certain amount of elements in a collection. > And I was wondering if we have such iterator. I'm not clear what functionality your asking for. Could you present it as code & result if you assumed the iterator you want was available? cheers -ben

Jan. 21, 2018

looking for another iterator :)

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi I would like to iterate at max on a certain amount of elements in a collection. And I was wondering if we have such iterator. Stef

Jan. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Aare questions

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Stef, 2018-01-21 5:17 GMT-03:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: > Hi hernan > > I started to clean the code in my fork. > If you want to contribute let me know. I don't know enough about workflow implementations yet. However I know how to run or what to expect from them. So I could give some feedback from there at first. > I started to clean all misclassified methods to force me to read the > code. (I used them as a marker to know if I passed on the code). That could result in a nice browser feature: To flag methods from menu item adding specific icon, maybe possible in Calypso? :) > For the moment I made sure that the code loads. > - I created the variable as subclass of Object > - I removed the dependencies to omnibase. > > I added class comments about what I understood. > I'm about to continue writing structural tests > and I will start to try to understand how to run a workflow. > Maybe someone at Netstyle has some expressions to begin with? HernÃ¡n > Stef > > > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:02 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I decided to give a try to Aare or Workflow in Pharo 6, following >> instructions in https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow . However, the >> installation script raised a Warning about missing WADynamicVariable >> class. Should I install Seaside? >> >> I've been using a couple of bioinformatics workflows the last years, >> specially Taverna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Taverna) and >> Galaxy (https://www.galaxyproject.org/) both of them huge code bases >> maintained since some years now and with very active communities from >> biological sciences. I found a cool video showing Galaxy features: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYzMWWRMN8 >> >> As impressive as you may think, they are not a Panacea for workflow >> execution. An installation process could get really complicated, for >> example interfacing with nginx and PostgreSQL, and customization of >> toolshed could end in endless editing XML specifications. >> >> I just skim through the white paper, but unfortunately didn't >> recognized any of the compared features or workflow systems. >> Is Aare intended to support only business workflows patterns? >> Considering the Galaxy video above, do you think scientific workflows >> could be supported in Aare or it is a completely different route? >> >> Cheers, >> >> HernÃ¡n >> >

Jan. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] calypso modularity

by Stephane Ducasse

I would like to have calypso built on top of spec so that we can rearrange some elements. Denis is starting to check the missing element of spec. Stef On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:40 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > how modular is Calypso in respect to: > > * taking the UI apart and compositing it in a different manner > * reusing parts of it in a different place/application (e.g. just the code > editor, or just the method list, ...) > * using alternative abstractions to just package/class/protocol/method > * e.g. instead of showing classes SomeSubject, SomeSubjectTest it would > show "Some Subject" (a string returned by SomeSubject class>>myName) and > clicking on it would show the combined methods from both the SomeSubject and > SomeSubjectTest. > > Also would such alternate usecases be considered a feature of Calypso (so it > is intentional in building Calypso to use it in a different manner), or > purely coincidental (as in, if it is possible, Calypso is built for > different purpose and I cannot expect that some property will not disappear > in the future). > > Thanks a lot! > Peter

Jan. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Aare questions

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi hernan I started to clean the code in my fork. If you want to contribute let me know. I started to clean all misclassified methods to force me to read the code. (I used them as a marker to know if I passed on the code). For the moment I made sure that the code loads. - I created the variable as subclass of Object - I removed the dependencies to omnibase. I added class comments about what I understood. I'm about to continue writing structural tests and I will start to try to understand how to run a workflow. Stef On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 9:02 AM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I decided to give a try to Aare or Workflow in Pharo 6, following > instructions in https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow . However, the > installation script raised a Warning about missing WADynamicVariable > class. Should I install Seaside? > > I've been using a couple of bioinformatics workflows the last years, > specially Taverna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Taverna) and > Galaxy (https://www.galaxyproject.org/) both of them huge code bases > maintained since some years now and with very active communities from > biological sciences. I found a cool video showing Galaxy features: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYzMWWRMN8 > > As impressive as you may think, they are not a Panacea for workflow > execution. An installation process could get really complicated, for > example interfacing with nginx and PostgreSQL, and customization of > toolshed could end in endless editing XML specifications. > > I just skim through the white paper, but unfortunately didn't > recognized any of the compared features or workflow systems. > Is Aare intended to support only business workflows patterns? > Considering the Galaxy video above, do you think scientific workflows > could be supported in Aare or it is a completely different route? > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n >

Jan. 21, 2018

Aare questions

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi, I decided to give a try to Aare or Workflow in Pharo 6, following instructions in https://github.com/Netstyle/Workflow . However, the installation script raised a Warning about missing WADynamicVariable class. Should I install Seaside? I've been using a couple of bioinformatics workflows the last years, specially Taverna (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Taverna) and Galaxy (https://www.galaxyproject.org/) both of them huge code bases maintained since some years now and with very active communities from biological sciences. I found a cool video showing Galaxy features: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVYzMWWRMN8 As impressive as you may think, they are not a Panacea for workflow execution. An installation process could get really complicated, for example interfacing with nginx and PostgreSQL, and customization of toolshed could end in endless editing XML specifications. I just skim through the white paper, but unfortunately didn't recognized any of the compared features or workflow systems. Is Aare intended to support only business workflows patterns? Considering the Galaxy video above, do you think scientific workflows could be supported in Aare or it is a completely different route? Cheers, HernÃ¡n

Jan. 21, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Metacello with Git

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sean P. DeNigris wrote > These both have been integrated. Hmm, I'm confused. PR #667, which seems definitely to include MCGitlabRepository, has been merged into the dev branch [1], but MCGitlabRepository is not present in a fresh Pharo 7 image with "Build information: Pharo-7.0+alpha.build.438.sha.b28d466f661cbf73f9b63f91174032bcee843d26 (32 Bit)". Is this because the build aborted? I logged into Jenkins [2], but didn't see an option to restart the buildâ¦ 1. https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/commit/b28d466f661cbf73f9b63f9117403… 2. https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-ci-jenkins2/job/Test%20pending%20pull%20request%2… ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 20, 2018

Re: [Pharo-users] Metacello with Git

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sean P. DeNigris wrote > 20953: Gitlab Private Project Support (via Iceberg) > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20953/ > > PRs issued > - https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/667 > - https://github.com/pharo-vcs/iceberg/pull/559 These both have been integrated. Will someone confirm they are able to load a private Gitlab project via Iceberg and SSH key authentication? You'll probably have to update Iceberg, which I'm not sure how to do. Esteban? ----- Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Jan. 20, 2018