August 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Pharo 6.1 catalog -- How is the catalog information updated?

by H. Hirzel

Hello Where do I find information how the Pharo 6.1 catalog entries are maintained? Thank you in advance Hannes

Aug. 18, 2017

[Ann] Data activism, visualization and storytelling with reproducible research for undergrad journalism and communication sciences students

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi :-), A little announcement, that can be interesting for several communities and practices to bridge them and make them more visible (so, that's why the cross posting). At mid September I'm going to give a little workshop at a local university for undergrad journalism and communication sciences students using the Pharo live coding environment [1] and Roassal agile visualization engine [2] combined with Grafoscopio[3]. We're going to retake our Twitter Data Selfies project[4], as is usual with our recurrent Data Week[5] hackathon+workshop. [1] http://pharo.org/ [2] http://agilevisualization.com/ [3] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/index.en.html [4] http://mutabit.com/offray/blog/en/entry/ds-twitter-mockup [5] http://mutabit.com/dataweek/ Also as usual, we will make real time memories, via etherpads, and more elaborated thematic ones via interactive notebooks that we will be sharing with you in (Fossil) source repositories and other "pocket infrastructures", under a permissive and solidary copy(far)left license. I'll give you more details as we advance. Cheers, Offray

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Installation done last week: Do I have Pharo 6.0 or Pharo 6.1?

by H. Hirzel

Thank you, Bernhard and Markus for confirming that Pharo is not reporting the correct version number. But do you think I probably got 6.1 when I installed it on the 9th August with curl get.pharo.org | bash on Ubuntu. Or should I just run the installation command again? --Hannes On 8/18/17, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> On 18 Aug 2017, at 16:36, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard(a)pieber.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Hannes, >> >> I think I read somewhere that the 6.1 release reports the version number >> 6.0 in the image. However, if that means you have got 6.1 I am not sure >> how to tell. >> > We should really make that more consentâ¦ e.g.. we should have a â61â > directly here, too: > > http://files.pharo.org/image/ <http://files.pharo.org/image/> > > and image update number should be 61001 instead of continuing 60â¦ > > (or name them just 6 instead of 60). > > of course changing all that is a lot of workâ¦ it is a bit historically > grown. it used to be that point releases happend > ever year and all the infrastructure is not really good for doing it more > frequently. > > So: yes, too improve. > > Marcus > > >

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] Blog entry about using Pharo / Smalltalk to build a bot

by Dimitris Chloupis

Yeah all that sounds familiar to me Its great you made this post because as you see its all about the illusion of popularity than actual popularity. Exposing Pharo like this is a great way to gain "popularity". My numbers by the way can be widely disputed however there is a common pattern here that pretty much every other "popular language top 20" agrees on , that "popular" languages , according to Tiobe Index top 20, dont even make 50% of the actual languages people use. I have seen several language ranks, like PYPI (which of course is highly biased in favour of Python) , poplang etc. They all agree on this. The disagree on how much popular each language is , or how many developers are out there, but what they do not disagree on is that popular languages take only half of the pie. 50% is far lower than expected, I expected top 10 to concentrate at least 70%. The inability of the top 20 to do that just blows my mind. The reason why there are not many people using Smalltalk is not because PHP is popular. Quite the opposite , its not that popular in reality . The reason is that even "unpopular" languages take only a pathetic 0-1% user base there are still thousands upon thousands of them out there which is what helps them to make that other 50%. So the question that arises, and this is what surprised me , is not "why people use popular languages" ? But rather "why people use unpopular languages". Because if 1 in 2 coders use languages that are less than 1% thats is kinda of big deal. Which also collapses the stereotype of hype addicted coder. Instead we see a coder that likes to try a variety of things. Which in turn that Pharo is as "threatened" by popular language as much as it is by unpopular languages. Unpopular languages are not used so much on big project as main languages but they are used for much more minor tasks. We should not forget how Python started. It did not became popular because it was used as a programming language. Actually its creator has been quoted in the early history of Python stating that he designed the language only to be a scripting language and to be used for very small task of only a few lines of code. NOT , I repeat , NOT as a programming language. This is his actual word. Which is how he explained the minimalism of the syntax, he also targeted Python to education to help people started coding. World domination was never in his plans at all. Even later he still insisted that Python should never been used as a replacement for C. Yet scientists have done this very thing, as Python is extremely popular with scientists. This shows the power of small beginnings and I think this is also can teach a very important lesson for Pharo that filling the small gaps , targeting the minor tasks can be a massive boost to the popularity of the language. Because more and more people used python for just a replacement to bash or just for doing something simple, then started slowly and steadily using it for more and more complex tasks. This sneaky tactic can be a great way to promote pharo to your coworkers. No need to convert your entire project to PHP. Just start using Pharo for minor tasks, maybe clean up the code, analyse and visualise the code base with Roassal , parse some text files etc. This way your coworkers will stat seeing you using this obscure language with no need for you to start ranting how amazing Pharo is and no need for them to learn Pharo. Instead of seeing something that is too good to be true they will see something that "just works". Of course you did something much better and built an entire project on Pharo which is why I think your blog posts is such a great advertisement for Pharo. Well done :) On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 3:55 PM sergio ruiz <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Oh! I like your approach.. > > Let me quickly clarify my situation. In that section of the article, I was > referring to my workplace. In my case, no one else in the dev department > knows smalltalk. In a great many workplaces, devs donât really want to > learn a new language / framework without going off to a developer summer > camp or something like that. > > I have found that once a developer gets to a certain level of competence, > they can quickly (in a weekend?) get up to speed on the use of a new > language / framework to get their project done. > > For a long time, I felt the sting of the âmost popular language listsâ as > companies wanted to start all projects in PHP so that if the senior devs > moved on, they could just hire some kids âcheap, just out of schoolâ to > work on the project. > > i do think there are lots of things about to change Pharoâs place in the > world, especially the Pharo MOOC.. > > there was one claim you made in that post that got me thinking > > ""No one else knows Smalltalk." > > So I wonder how many developers amount to "no one". > > > > > ---- > peace, > sergio > photographer, journalist, visionary > > Public Key: http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 > #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV > http://www.Village-Buzz.com <http://www.village-buzz.com/> > http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com <http://www.thoseoptimizeguys.com/> > http://www.coffee-black.com > http://www.painlessfrugality.com > http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 > http://www.facebook.com/sergio101 >

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable brick editor - alpha

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hello Stephan, > Yep. I tried with a clean 6.1 install. > The Moz2D library is downloaded, but does not seem to be installed > correctly Below is the list of dependencies for *64bit Ubuntu* and *32bit Pharo*: (on 64bit pharo it should theoretically work out of the box, except 64bit related issues) > sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386; > sudo apt-get update; > export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/pkgconfig/; > > echo "Installing c++ libraries"; > sudo apt install libstdc++6:i386; > > echo "Installing GTK-2.0..."; > sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386; > echo "Installing GTK-3.0..."; > sudo apt-get install libgtk-3-0:i386; > > echo "Installing libGL..."; > sudo apt-get install libglu1-mesa:i386; We have travis Build which is green: https://github.com/syrel/Sparta/blob/master/.travis.yml https://travis-ci.org/syrel/Sparta On Windows users should install Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2015: (reduces binary size by >10mb) https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/download/details.aspx?id=48145 On OSX works out of the box Cheers, Alex On 18 August 2017 at 17:01, stephan <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > On 12-08-17 10:47, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Is this still an issue? >> > > Yep. I tried with a clean 6.1 install. > The Moz2D library is downloaded, but does not seem to be installed > correctly > > > Could you also try on another OS (just to make sure)? > > next step > > Stephan > >

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] moldable brick editor - alpha

by stephan

On 12-08-17 10:47, Tudor Girba wrote: > Is this still an issue? Yep. I tried with a clean 6.1 install. The Moz2D library is downloaded, but does not seem to be installed correctly > Could you also try on another OS (just to make sure)? next step Stephan

Aug. 18, 2017

Pharo for Android

by Ricardo Pacheco

I read some info dated 2014 that there where some efforts to make Pharo able to run on Android. Will new versions of Pharo (6.1 & 7) support Android. Does anybody use succesfully the most recent version of Pharo on a Android tablet? Thanks

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.1 (summer) released!

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 18 Aug 2017, at 14:53, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > The problem is that doing a release 6.1 takes half a day of work. We could improve that, but then with Pharo7 all this changed anyway, so we will not improve this process. > half day? apply murphy law for system estimation: - raise measure unit by one: day=week - double time: 1/2 = 1 it took me one week to deliver the 6.1 release :( this is something we will be fixing with 7.0 process: each image would be like a final image, then we will be able (or we *should* be able) to create a new release by just changing a file and pushing it. Esteban

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Installation done last week: Do I have Pharo 6.0 or Pharo 6.1?

by Marcus Denker

> On 18 Aug 2017, at 16:36, Bernhard Pieber <bernhard(a)pieber.com> wrote: > > Hi Hannes, > > I think I read somewhere that the 6.1 release reports the version number 6.0 in the image. However, if that means you have got 6.1 I am not sure how to tell. > We should really make that more consentâ¦ e.g.. we should have a â61â directly here, too: http://files.pharo.org/image/ <http://files.pharo.org/image/> and image update number should be 61001 instead of continuing 60â¦ (or name them just 6 instead of 60). of course changing all that is a lot of workâ¦ it is a bit historically grown. it used to be that point releases happend ever year and all the infrastructure is not really good for doing it more frequently. So: yes, too improve. Marcus

Aug. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Installation done last week: Do I have Pharo 6.0 or Pharo 6.1?

by Bernhard Pieber

Hi Hannes, I think I read somewhere that the 6.1 release reports the version number 6.0 in the image. However, if that means you have got 6.1 I am not sure how to tell. Cheers, Bernhard > Am 18.08.2017 um 16:21 schrieb H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com>: > > Hello > > Pharo 6.1 was released on the 24th July 2017. > Thread [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Pharo 6.1 (summer) released! (35 messages so far). > My question short: Which version do I get when installing? > > Last week I on the the 9th August I did > > curl get.pharo.org | bash > > on Ubuntu 14.04-32bit. Installation was done fully automated. Very > smooth! Excellent! > > Just needed to do in a terminal window > ./pharo-ui > to start Pharo 6.x > > Now my question: > > 'Word menu' -> 'System' -> 'About' > > gives me > > Pharo 6.0 > Latest update: #60510 > > > Is the indication 'Pharo 6.0' just an omission in the release process > and it should say 'Pharo 6.1'? > Or did I still get 'Pharo 6.0' for some reason? > > Thank you for the answer in advance > > Hannes >

Aug. 18, 2017