August 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo wiki , is here

by Dimitris Chloupis

yeap its github only, though none stops your from forking it and sending me pull request from whatever source you want On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 4:47 PM Herby VojÄÃk <herby(a)mailbox.sk> wrote: > Stephane Ducasse wrote: > > I added some links to books and blogs. > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I also turned it to be published as a webpage, its can be viewed from > this > >> link > >> > >> https://squarebracketassociates.github.io/PharoWiki/ > > Seems like another github-account-only solution, is it? > > >> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:54 PM Dimitris Chloupis< > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> Many seemed to like the idea of a Pharo wiki , I like it too. I created > >>> one, can be found here and super easy to contribute to. > >>> > >>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoWiki > >>> > >>> Will keep this thread for alerting for important updates to wiki. Have > fun > >>> :) > > > > >

Aug. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo wiki , is here

by Herby VojÄÃk

Stephane Ducasse wrote: > I added some links to books and blogs. > > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I also turned it to be published as a webpage, its can be viewed from this >> link >> >> https://squarebracketassociates.github.io/PharoWiki/ Seems like another github-account-only solution, is it? >> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:54 PM Dimitris Chloupis<kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> Many seemed to like the idea of a Pharo wiki , I like it too. I created >>> one, can be found here and super easy to contribute to. >>> >>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoWiki >>> >>> Will keep this thread for alerting for important updates to wiki. Have fun >>> :) >

Aug. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo wiki , is here

by Dimitris Chloupis

Thanks mate :) I really appreciate it On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 at 12:25, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I added some links to books and blogs. > > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I also turned it to be published as a webpage, its can be viewed from > this > > link > > > > https://squarebracketassociates.github.io/PharoWiki/ > > > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:54 PM Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Many seemed to like the idea of a Pharo wiki , I like it too. I created > >> one, can be found here and super easy to contribute to. > >> > >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoWiki > >> > >> Will keep this thread for alerting for important updates to wiki. Have > fun > >> :) > >

Aug. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo wiki , is here

by Dimitris Chloupis

Completely up to you , personal I love having many options. This is my wiki thus will be maintained by me. Basically it occurred to me that because I already spent time reading mailing list posts , then why not copy paste this extremely valuable posts to a wiki with some structure that is much easier to navigate for newcomers compared to archives of mailing lists. I have no intention of maintaining the content to keep it up to date because I agree that Pharo books should remain as the single source of polished official documentation. The wiki is there to act as a clipboard for content that may or may not enter into one of the books. My No1 goal is a zero maintenance , zero cost , zero learning curve wiki ( assuming you are already a github user). Because also is part of our github group for the books all contributors have already immediate access to it. So I think for my goals this solution is by far the best. I have no intention of creating a swiki for Pharo because as you so correctly said , software won't be much of a problem, keeping the content up to date will be. Keeping up to date Content is something I deal with only Updated Pharo By Example. It's Definetly far harder than copy pasting stuff. On Sun, 20 Aug 2017 at 12:44, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > >> Many seemed to like the idea of a Pharo wiki , I like it too. I created > >> one, can be found here and super easy to contribute to. > >> > >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoWiki > > I still prefer to have one based on Smalltalk and as there never was an > official one > maintain my own private hosted Pharo wiki since 2015 > > http://wiki.astares.com/pharo > > including lots of useful informations. > > It us a Swiki server ("Winterlong" release) - so it is based on Squeak + > Comanche. > http://wiki.squeak.org/swiki/ > > I once offered it to the community but there were doubts as Swiki is not > more > maintained and a Pharo solutions would be preferable. > > Unfortunately there never was a Pharo based wiki implementation although > we have all the bits > and pieces (Pillar, Teapot/Tealight, Zinc, ...) to write one. > > I have several swikis running over the years and all of them run very very > stable and > without any problems. Even in case of trouble they are easy to repair and > extend as the > content is written into XML files. > > Also it has an UNZIP and go concept - so it is easy to install/run and > maintain or move > to a different server. Squeak community is running their swiki for years > already. > The only problem there is that it is not well maintained and lost of pages > are outdated > - but this is a problem independent from the wiki technology used. > > So creating a wiki is quick and easy - be able to maintain up to date > infos another issue. > > Thanks > T. > > > > > >

Aug. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading and saving packages to filetree repos

by stephan

On 17-08-17 13:25, Luke Gorrie wrote: > I want to have a quick "cheat mode" for loading and saving the Smalltalk > packages in my project. This is to make life easy for newbies who are > not very familiar with Monticello and Metacello. I'm afraid you might do newbies a disservice by adding yet another way of loading and saving combinations of packages. Dependency management is a 5-dimensional problem, so there are no solutions that are both simple and cover the needed variation [1]. In the current discussions on version management on this list the focus seems to be on the solving of simple problems, whilst avoiding the question of how to deal with many repositories. Metacello might not be ideal there, but it provides a shared solution. Stephan [1] Peter van den Hamer & Kees Lepoeter (1996) Managing Design Data: The Five Dimensions of CAD Frameworks, Configuration Management, and Product Data Management

Aug. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading and saving packages to filetree repos

by Thierry Goubier

Hi Luke, ok, it's a high tech solution, this is more because I could not on the spot remember what you would need as a script (and also because your 'no metadata' requirement makes the filetree solution problematic). But I'd suggest still one bit of advice that is implicit in my solution: create at least a baseline for your project (covering say all packages in your repository); instead of hacking around with Monticello and FileTree, it will allow you to use a simple Metacello command to load everything and prepare correct, long term use of your project. And you will have the save everything as well. Regards, Thierry Le 20/08/2017 Ã 10:36, Luke Gorrie a Ã©crit : > Hi Thierry, > > I am really looking for a "low-tech" solution here - five line > Monticello code snippet - that will be easy for me to understand (as a > newbie) and also easy for new contributors to my project to understand > (who will have no prior exposure to Pharo.) > > I don't know what AltBrowser is, but just as a user I need to get a bit > more "winnage" before I am ready to take another iteration at learning > more tools. The tools currently represent barriers in the way of solving > my problems. I am sure this will change over time with more gradual > learning and experience. > > > On 18 August 2017 at 16:28, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Luke, > > if you use gitfiletree with AltBrowser and configurations/baselines, > then you'll see that you have a command to do the writing for you, > without metadata and with a single git commit. > > Regards, > > Thierry > > > Le 17/08/2017 Ã 13:25, Luke Gorrie a Ã©crit : > > Hoi, > > I want to have a quick "cheat mode" for loading and saving the > Smalltalk packages in my project. This is to make life easy for > newbies who are not very familiar with Monticello and Metacello. > > The "cheat" is to assume that there is one filetree:// > repository that contains all of the relevant packages, and all > we need to do is load or save each of those packages in that > repository. > > I have the loading part working already: > > repo := MCFileTreeRepository new directory: '/foo/bar/baz' > asFileReference. > repo allFileNames do: [ :file | > (repo versionFromFileNamed: file) load. > ]. > > but now I am wondering how to do the saving part? That is, given > a path to a filetree repo like '/foo/bar/baz', how do I save > each package in that repo i.e. export the code in the image? > > Ideally I would like the same operation to skip metadata that is > likely to cause conflicts when the code is checked into Git > later e.g. package timestamps and versions. > > Tips would be appreciated :). > > > > > >

Aug. 20, 2017

[ANN] Pharo wiki , is here

by Torsten Bergmann

>> Many seemed to like the idea of a Pharo wiki , I like it too. I created >> one, can be found here and super easy to contribute to. >> >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoWiki I still prefer to have one based on Smalltalk and as there never was an official one maintain my own private hosted Pharo wiki since 2015 http://wiki.astares.com/pharo including lots of useful informations. It us a Swiki server ("Winterlong" release) - so it is based on Squeak + Comanche. http://wiki.squeak.org/swiki/ I once offered it to the community but there were doubts as Swiki is not more maintained and a Pharo solutions would be preferable. Unfortunately there never was a Pharo based wiki implementation although we have all the bits and pieces (Pillar, Teapot/Tealight, Zinc, ...) to write one. I have several swikis running over the years and all of them run very very stable and without any problems. Even in case of trouble they are easy to repair and extend as the content is written into XML files. Also it has an UNZIP and go concept - so it is easy to install/run and maintain or move to a different server. Squeak community is running their swiki for years already. The only problem there is that it is not well maintained and lost of pages are outdated - but this is a problem independent from the wiki technology used. So creating a wiki is quick and easy - be able to maintain up to date infos another issue. Thanks T.

Aug. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo wiki , is here

by Stephane Ducasse

I added some links to books and blogs. On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:20 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I also turned it to be published as a webpage, its can be viewed from this > link > > https://squarebracketassociates.github.io/PharoWiki/ > > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:54 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Many seemed to like the idea of a Pharo wiki , I like it too. I created >> one, can be found here and super easy to contribute to. >> >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoWiki >> >> Will keep this thread for alerting for important updates to wiki. Have fun >> :)

Aug. 20, 2017

Pharo on the SqueakJS virtual machine

by Torsten Bergmann

Craig Latta wrote >The next big step is getting a WebAssembly version of Cog running. Anyone known already to work on such a beast? Or is this question better asked on vm-dev? Another path could be to run on a Linux booting in the browser: https://bellard.org/jslinux/ Regards T.

Aug. 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Loading and saving packages to filetree repos

by Luke Gorrie

Hi Thierry, I am really looking for a "low-tech" solution here - five line Monticello code snippet - that will be easy for me to understand (as a newbie) and also easy for new contributors to my project to understand (who will have no prior exposure to Pharo.) I don't know what AltBrowser is, but just as a user I need to get a bit more "winnage" before I am ready to take another iteration at learning more tools. The tools currently represent barriers in the way of solving my problems. I am sure this will change over time with more gradual learning and experience. On 18 August 2017 at 16:28, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Luke, > > if you use gitfiletree with AltBrowser and configurations/baselines, then > you'll see that you have a command to do the writing for you, without > metadata and with a single git commit. > > Regards, > > Thierry > > > Le 17/08/2017 Ã 13:25, Luke Gorrie a Ã©crit : > >> Hoi, >> >> I want to have a quick "cheat mode" for loading and saving the Smalltalk >> packages in my project. This is to make life easy for newbies who are not >> very familiar with Monticello and Metacello. >> >> The "cheat" is to assume that there is one filetree:// repository that >> contains all of the relevant packages, and all we need to do is load or >> save each of those packages in that repository. >> >> I have the loading part working already: >> >> repo := MCFileTreeRepository new directory: '/foo/bar/baz' >> asFileReference. >> repo allFileNames do: [ :file | >> (repo versionFromFileNamed: file) load. >> ]. >> >> but now I am wondering how to do the saving part? That is, given a path >> to a filetree repo like '/foo/bar/baz', how do I save each package in that >> repo i.e. export the code in the image? >> >> Ideally I would like the same operation to skip metadata that is likely >> to cause conflicts when the code is checked into Git later e.g. package >> timestamps and versions. >> >> Tips would be appreciated :). >> >> >> >> > >

Aug. 20, 2017