August 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

Stephane, Thank you. The rendering seems to be very useful as is. The screen shot shows what you get if you execute PRMorphInterface new openWithSpec. I will read the code in detail. --Hannes

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [DesktopManager][Question] How do I jump to a particular desktop?

by H. Hirzel

P.S. I just realized that the 'Spotter' opens a desktop if I search for it. So with some specific naming I can quickly switch desktops this way as well. On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > I have loaded your DesktopManager package into Pharo 6/6.1. It is > useful as always! > > A remark: > > If I open a new desktop the desktop is white and not black (New Pharo > 'dark' theme). I have to choose the theme manually through the > 'Settings' dialog, searching for 'theme' and then reconfirming that I > want the 'dark' theme. > > > A question: > > I Squeak I can jump to a particular 'desktop' (actually 'Project' > there ) with some code [1] in a workspace (playground) like > > (Project named: 'Pillar') enter > > Is there a similar construction with the DesktopManager? > > To jump to another desktop with a code snipped is useful as the number > of Desktops increases. Currently I have 14 and it may increase up to > 50. > > This also helps to create buttons to jump to a particular desktop. > > Thank you for the answer in advance > > Hannes Hirzel > > > [1] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1013 >

Aug. 25, 2017

[DesktopManager][Question] How do I jump to a particular desktop?

by H. Hirzel

Hello I have loaded your DesktopManager package into Pharo 6/6.1. It is useful as always! A remark: If I open a new desktop the desktop is white and not black (New Pharo 'dark' theme). I have to choose the theme manually through the 'Settings' dialog, searching for 'theme' and then reconfirming that I want the 'dark' theme. A question: I Squeak I can jump to a particular 'desktop' (actually 'Project' there ) with some code [1] in a workspace (playground) like (Project named: 'Pillar') enter Is there a similar construction with the DesktopManager? To jump to another desktop with a code snipped is useful as the number of Desktops increases. Currently I have 14 and it may increase up to 50. This also helps to create buttons to jump to a particular desktop. Thank you for the answer in advance Hannes Hirzel [1] http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1013

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by Stephane Ducasse

Ideally we should add the pillar element to the associated morphic to manage back link from the renderer to the pillar tree. But this is to be done. On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:10 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hannes > > in the repo > Pillar-Renderer-StephaneDucasse.7 > > It was a couple of hours hacking but it shows how to do it. > > Stef > > > > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:57 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> BTW I am looking for a **renderer** only. Not an editor at the moment. >> >> On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the >>> new Bloc framework. >>> It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. >>> >>> But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see >>> what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>> >>> I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my >>> purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. >>> >>> --Hannes >>> >>> On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a >>>> Pillar >>>> editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. >>>> Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then >>>> and >>>> we will probably announce the next version this weekend: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello Stephane >>>>> >>>>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> [...] >>>>>> >>>>>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>>>>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>>>>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>>>>> to have see it coming to live. >>>>> >>>>> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >>>>> >>>>> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >>>>> problem with that..... >>>>> :-; >>>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> --Hannes >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> www.feenk.com >>>> >>>> "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by Stephane Ducasse

Hannes in the repo Pillar-Renderer-StephaneDucasse.7 It was a couple of hours hacking but it shows how to do it. Stef On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:57 PM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > BTW I am looking for a **renderer** only. Not an editor at the moment. > > On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the >> new Bloc framework. >> It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. >> >> But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see >> what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. >> >> I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my >> purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. >> >> --Hannes >> >> On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a >>> Pillar >>> editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. >>> Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then >>> and >>> we will probably announce the next version this weekend: >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Stephane >>>> >>>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>> >>>>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>>>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>>>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>>>> to have see it coming to live. >>>> >>>> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >>>> >>>> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >>>> problem with that..... >>>> :-; >>>> [...] >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> --Hannes >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> www.feenk.com >>> >>> "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

BTW I am looking for a **renderer** only. Not an editor at the moment. On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the > new Bloc framework. > It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. > > But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see > what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. > > I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my > purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. > > --Hannes > > On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a >> Pillar >> editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. >> Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then >> and >> we will probably announce the next version this weekend: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello Stephane >>> >>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> [...] >>>> >>>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>>> to have see it coming to live. >>> >>> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >>> >>> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >>> problem with that..... >>> :-; >>> [...] >>> >>> Regards >>> --Hannes >>> >>> >>> [1] >>> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." >> >> >> >> >> >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

Thanks, Doru for the update on a Pillar editor with support for the new Bloc framework. It looks fine and I am aware of this effort. But as I wrote in spite of the Bloc efforts I am interested to see what has been done in terms of a Morphic renderer for Pillar. I imagine what has been done so far might be sufficient for my purposes and I can use it right now and not only in Pharo. --Hannes On 8/25/17, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a Pillar > editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. > Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then and > we will probably announce the next version this weekend: > > > >> On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Stephane >> >> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> [...] >>> >>> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >>> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >>> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >>> to have see it coming to live. >> >> I am interested in this. Where is the code? >> >> BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no >> problem with that..... >> :-; >> [...] >> >> Regards >> --Hannes >> >> >> [1] >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." > > > > >

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Minimizing an Application

by Tim Mackinnon

Mariano's PhD was on this - as mentioned it to me a few weeks ago. This was one of the reasons for building fuel - to enable this sort of thing on top - and he proved it worked. Dimitrus - the idea is to I have a small core that loads quick and then less used elements can be paged in when needed (but maybe that's what you're saying too). I disagree that Pharo desperately needs image assembly tools. It's quite specialised - and we have some core tools to work with, and minimal images to start from. While I'd love more - finishing off what we already have in play (e.g. Got, bloc, Calypso ...) would seem more urgent. Tim Sent from my iPhone > On 25 Aug 2017, at 08:47, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I still dont know what opening has to do with transmitting, even when you do it remotely , a socket / websocket connection should be all you need. For me transmitting the entire image would be necessary only in the case you want to install it remotely and that remote location has no immediate access to the installation. > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 7:14 AM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> I understand that to mean effectively that you are "opening" the image across the net - so eventually you need to whole image transmitted, but you don't have to wait for the whole thing before you start running it. >> cheers -ben >> >> >>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 2:00 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Indeed that can be a barrier but why you would want to transmit an entire image instead of portion of it using something like fuel files or other binary formats ? It would dramatically reduce the size of data you transmit. >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 8:10 PM Craig Latta <craig(a)blackpagedigital.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > ...10mbs which is the size pharo image can be reduced to is nothing >>>> > for todays TBs hard drives and GBs flash drives and online storage. >>>> > Unless you do an embedded app and 10 mbs are huge for your limited >>>> > storage. >>>> >>>> Or you want to minimize initial startup time, including the time it >>>> takes to transmit the entire system over the net. >>>> >>>> >>>> -C >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Craig Latta >>>> Black Page Digital >>>> Amsterdam :: San Francisco >>>> craig(a)blackpagedigital.com >>>> voice through 2017-09-12: >>>> + 1 510 833 5799 (SMS ok) >>>> +31 20 893 2796 (no SMS) >>>> >>>> >>

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by Tudor Girba

Hi, As mentioned in an announcement about 10 days ago, we are building a Pillar editor with inline viewing abilities in Bloc. Here is how it looked like. Please note the embedded picture. We continued working on it since then and we will probably announce the next version this weekend: > On Aug 25, 2017, at 11:04 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello Stephane > > On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > [...] >> >> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >> to have see it coming to live. > > I am interested in this. Where is the code? > > BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no > problem with that..... > :-; > [...] > > Regards > --Hannes > > > [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go."

Aug. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Morphic renderer for Pillar?

by H. Hirzel

I assume it is a Pillar-Exporter ... On 8/25/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello Stephane > > On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > [...] >> >> This is good that there is Section 7 this in the doc. [1] We started to >> build a simple Morphic renderer for Pillar. >> We should continue. If someone wants to have fun. This would be nice >> to have see it coming to live. > > I am interested in this. Where is the code? > > BTW if other people want to do a Pillar renderer for Bloc I have no > problem with that..... > :-; > [...] > > Regards > --Hannes > > > [1] > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >

Aug. 25, 2017