August 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Dimitris Chloupis

for me Pharo and GUI go hand in hand, I cannot imagine Pharo without GUI. I also despise the command line. Plus once you remove the GUI you kill the very essence of Smalltalk. But if that is what you(you as all people who support this) like and need, that's your choice and I respect that. Even back in the 80s when almost everything was command lines , I was drooling over Amiga's 500 beautiful coloured GUIs. It started my fascination with computer graphics and later 3d graphics and sound. So me and the GUI are very old friends and we go hand in hand :) Of course I understand if we want to go super minimal the GUI has to go together with many other things that make Pharo what it is. But I dont care for such extremes. I just wanted to reduce the fat. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:24 PM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What do you expect from such minimal image? Because we can produce several > intermediate steps on the way to the standard full Pharo image > (BaselineOfMorphicCore, BaselineOfMorphic, BaselineOfUI, > BaselineOfBasicTools...) > > -- Pavel > > 2017-08-28 13:17 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > >> oh , then its not what I am thinking as minimal image. Pity, oh well , I >> will wait for bootstrap to mature then :) >> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to >>> try to open it this way. >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra >>>> dock and it stays there doing nothing >>>> right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to >>>> use force quit to make it close >>>> >>>> I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 bit, >>>> minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek < >>>> pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image download >>>>>> but it does not seem there is one anymore >>>>>> >>>>>> Is still minimal image maintained ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yes, as part of the bootstrap process >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under >>>>> name Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as >>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or >>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip >>>>> >>>>> So you do not need to do it by yourself. >>>>> >>>>> -- Pavel >>>>> >>>> >>> >

Aug. 28, 2017

How do I get at the Morphic halos in Pharo 6.0?

by H. Hirzel

On 8/28/17, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: .... > > Dark theme : can code for hours without any trouble. > > At the office I am at now 90% of coders are using dark themes. > > Indeed the windows buttons are annoying, I have my own little hack to make > them better. > When a control bugs you, bring a halo and try to reverse the form, usually > makes things readable. > > Phil Phil, I was not aware that it is still possible to get Morphic halos in Pharo 6.0? How do I get at them? Regards Hannes

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Where do I find a Pillar syntax summary?

by H. Hirzel

Found the Pillar chapter of the Pharo enterprise book ("A web perspective") by following the link on the wiki https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/master/wiki/contents/projects.m… then https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… Then https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… So the information is somewhat hidden but available and only the link from the Pharo books website is broken..... On 8/28/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > P.S. Important Pillar links I have collected last week > > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/master/wiki/contents/projects.m… > > Includes this one > http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet > Alistair writes it is fine in Pharo 6 for what he is using it for. > > In particular I am interested in adding pictures which are within the > Pharo image. > > On 8/28/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Stephane >> >> I went to the Pharo book web site, >> >> Enterprise Pharo - a web perspective >> Enterprise Pharo is the third volume of the series. >> >> This link >> >> http://files.pharo.org/books/enterprise-pharo/ >> >> and clicked on 'Pillar' >> >> and for >> >> https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… >> >> got HTTP ERROR 404 >> >> I think you are currently updating the book and that there are also PDFs. >> >> How can I get at a recent version? Integration server? Where? >> >> --Hannes >> >> >> >> On 8/26/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> the most up to date description is in the web perspective book and not >>> much changed since then. >>> We are picky when it is about the changing the syntax so it nearly did >>> not change. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:55 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> At the moment my interest is to have a description of all the Pillar >>>> syntax features Pharo 5 and 6 supports. >>>> >>>> a) in an example document >>>> b) as a list >>>> >>>> As for Pillar syntax versions: >>>> >>>> I can imagine that there have been changes in the past. I just don't >>>> know. >>>> And there might be changes in the future. So a version indication is >>>> helpful even if it just says that Pharo 6 supports the same Pillar >>>> version as it was in Pharo x (x = 2,3,4,5 ?). >>>> >>>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Good suggestion. >>>>> Now I have no time for pillar per se. Now if you do it I will add it >>>>> to pillar without hesitation. >>>>> Tomorrow we will >>>>> use bintray for all the projects to save the pdf (booklet, books). >>>>> migrate the mooc to the makefile generator developed by luc. >>>>> make sure that it works for Pillar 50 and 60. >>>>> migrate other pillar projects to use the same. >>>>> >>>>> BTW we do not really want to have multiple version of the syntax. >>>>> For example Pillar 50 and 60 are the same from a syntax point of view. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:24 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Alistair, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for the link to the Pillar syntax summary >>>>>> >>>>>> http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet >>>>>> >>>>>> and the confirmation that the constructs there work in Pharo 6 & 7 >>>>>> for >>>>>> basic cases. This is fine for me at the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Stephan D >>>>>> Thanks for being ready to check the full feature support in Pillar. >>>>>> >>>>>> A suggestion: >>>>>> A new style sheet could come as well together with a test document >>>>>> (with version indication included) for the Pillar parser. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then it is straightforward to determine if a particular Pillar >>>>>> installation supports a particular Pillar markup version. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Pillar-Tests-PetitPillar package tests individual features but >>>>>> not >>>>>> all in one go. If we have a test case which tests all features in one >>>>>> go it has a triple function: >>>>>> 1) It is a syntax summary of all features. >>>>>> 2) It serves as a living documentation. >>>>>> 3) It helps to determine if a particular pillar installation in an >>>>>> image supports a particular Pillar version. >>>>>> >>>>>> --Hannes >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/23/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> +Handling all the cases: summing a die/die handle with a die/die >>>>>>> handle >>>>>>> .>file://figures/DieDoubleDispatchFull.pdf|width=70|label=figDieDoubleDispatchFull+ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See Figure *@figDieDoubleDispatchFull* for internal ref is missing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Two Column is missing. I do not know it works in Latex. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will try to create one a new style sheet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Alistair Grant >>>>>>> <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 09:11:47PM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote: >>>>>>>>> Thanks, it is useful. >>>>>>>>> Date is 24 June 2014. >>>>>>>>> Not sure if it is the latest version for what I have now in Pharo >>>>>>>>> 6. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --Hannes >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> True, but it only covers the basic text mark-up and I don't think >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> has changed recently. Anyway, I haven't found anything wrong with >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> Pharo 6 & 7 (admittedly, with only basic pillar usage). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Alistair >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 8/23/17, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> > How about: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>>>>> > Alistair >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

by Dimitris Chloupis

I am no authority on dark theme because I am using my blue theme full time and I have addressed any colour issues I had. Retina detachment, wow that is serious ! I hope you doing better :( Well I have myopia in both eyes, my left is 6 degrees which is pretty high. We myopics suppose to not see very well in the dark but my visual perception is great in dark environments even in almost complete darkness. Its weird because as I young boy I was non stop out in the sun and I live in Greece, here the Sun is very bright, yet it always hurt my eyes. Not much as knife pain, but more like feeling pressure on the eye. Of course I am not the only Greek in love with his sun glasses during summer. My eye doctor said it was because of my eyes being light color compared to the usual dark coloured eyes Greeks have. But I think the reason most likely is more mysterious :D On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:05 PM phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Also most don't know this but light themes of Pharo were in part hard >> coded. Esteban in order to create the dark theme which is based on the most >> popular dark theme ( if my memory serves correctly) , Darcula , he had to >> remove all this nasty code. He essentially made it possible for Pharo to >> have themes without worrying about hard coded colors. So if you ever want >> to make the light theme even lighter you have the dark theme to thank for >> making it easier for you. >> >> Quite an irony , would not agree ? >> >> If the doctors say your eye sight is great , he knows what he is talking >> about. >> >> Black foreground against dark grey background sound like a bug. Care to >> share a screenshot ? >> On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 00:51, PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> >> wrote: >> >>> I agree with Dimitris - it is all a matter of preference - not all eyes >>> are the same. For myself, I find the default dark theme in Pharo very >>> uncomfortable. On my system, some elements have a black foreground on a >>> dark grey background, which is almost impossible to see. This is always >>> true of the maximise/minimise/close buttons, but sometimes also of text >>> fields in a playground. Whenever I download a new image, I immediately >>> switch to the Watery theme, with light background and nice coloured buttons >>> on the windows. >>> >>> Of course, my eyes may not be typical. I am now aged 84, and I have had >>> cataract operations on both eyes. My sight is actually quite good - my >>> optometrist confirms that I am legal to drive without spectacles - but my >>> adverse reaction to dark mode is strong and immediate. >>> >> > Eye issues as well. Retinal detachment in both, and cataract on the right > one. Loads of floaters. > > Light mode kills them. > > Dark theme : can code for hours without any trouble. > > At the office I am at now 90% of coders are using dark themes. > > Indeed the windows buttons are annoying, I have my own little hack to make > them better. > When a control bugs you, bring a halo and try to reverse the form, usually > makes things readable. > > Phil > > >> >>> Just my 2p worth >>> >>> Peter Kenny >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On >>> Behalf Of stephan >>> Sent: 27 August 2017 21:46 >>> To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode >>> >>> On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >>> > White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matter of preference >>> > is also a matter of biology . Not all eyes are same. >>> >>> The research is pretty clear: a large majority of developers does better >>> with light themes. I have been sufficiently clear on the choice to make >>> Pharo6 theme dark default >>> >>> Stephan >>> >>> >>> >>>

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Pavel Krivanek

What do you expect from such minimal image? Because we can produce several intermediate steps on the way to the standard full Pharo image (BaselineOfMorphicCore, BaselineOfMorphic, BaselineOfUI, BaselineOfBasicTools...) -- Pavel 2017-08-28 13:17 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > oh , then its not what I am thinking as minimal image. Pity, oh well , I > will wait for bootstrap to mature then :) > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to try >> to open it this way. >> >> -- Pavel >> >> 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra dock >>> and it stays there doing nothing >>> right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to use >>> force quit to make it close >>> >>> I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 bit, >>> minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek < >>> pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image download >>>>> but it does not seem there is one anymore >>>>> >>>>> Is still minimal image maintained ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> yes, as part of the bootstrap process >>>> >>>> >>>>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? >>>>> >>>> >>>> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under >>>> name Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as >>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or >>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip >>>> >>>> So you do not need to do it by yourself. >>>> >>>> -- Pavel >>>> >>> >>

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Where do I find a Pillar syntax summary?

by H. Hirzel

P.S. Important Pillar links I have collected last week https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/master/wiki/contents/projects.m… Includes this one http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet Alistair writes it is fine in Pharo 6 for what he is using it for. In particular I am interested in adding pictures which are within the Pharo image. On 8/28/17, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Stephane > > I went to the Pharo book web site, > > Enterprise Pharo - a web perspective > Enterprise Pharo is the third volume of the series. > > This link > > http://files.pharo.org/books/enterprise-pharo/ > > and clicked on 'Pillar' > > and for > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… > > got HTTP ERROR 404 > > I think you are currently updating the book and that there are also PDFs. > > How can I get at a recent version? Integration server? Where? > > --Hannes > > > > On 8/26/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> the most up to date description is in the web perspective book and not >> much changed since then. >> We are picky when it is about the changing the syntax so it nearly did >> not change. >> >> Stef >> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:55 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> At the moment my interest is to have a description of all the Pillar >>> syntax features Pharo 5 and 6 supports. >>> >>> a) in an example document >>> b) as a list >>> >>> As for Pillar syntax versions: >>> >>> I can imagine that there have been changes in the past. I just don't >>> know. >>> And there might be changes in the future. So a version indication is >>> helpful even if it just says that Pharo 6 supports the same Pillar >>> version as it was in Pharo x (x = 2,3,4,5 ?). >>> >>> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Good suggestion. >>>> Now I have no time for pillar per se. Now if you do it I will add it >>>> to pillar without hesitation. >>>> Tomorrow we will >>>> use bintray for all the projects to save the pdf (booklet, books). >>>> migrate the mooc to the makefile generator developed by luc. >>>> make sure that it works for Pillar 50 and 60. >>>> migrate other pillar projects to use the same. >>>> >>>> BTW we do not really want to have multiple version of the syntax. >>>> For example Pillar 50 and 60 are the same from a syntax point of view. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:24 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Alistair, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you for the link to the Pillar syntax summary >>>>> >>>>> http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet >>>>> >>>>> and the confirmation that the constructs there work in Pharo 6 & 7 for >>>>> basic cases. This is fine for me at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stephan D >>>>> Thanks for being ready to check the full feature support in Pillar. >>>>> >>>>> A suggestion: >>>>> A new style sheet could come as well together with a test document >>>>> (with version indication included) for the Pillar parser. >>>>> >>>>> Then it is straightforward to determine if a particular Pillar >>>>> installation supports a particular Pillar markup version. >>>>> >>>>> The Pillar-Tests-PetitPillar package tests individual features but not >>>>> all in one go. If we have a test case which tests all features in one >>>>> go it has a triple function: >>>>> 1) It is a syntax summary of all features. >>>>> 2) It serves as a living documentation. >>>>> 3) It helps to determine if a particular pillar installation in an >>>>> image supports a particular Pillar version. >>>>> >>>>> --Hannes >>>>> >>>>> On 8/23/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> +Handling all the cases: summing a die/die handle with a die/die >>>>>> handle >>>>>> .>file://figures/DieDoubleDispatchFull.pdf|width=70|label=figDieDoubleDispatchFull+ >>>>>> >>>>>> See Figure *@figDieDoubleDispatchFull* for internal ref is missing. >>>>>> >>>>>> Two Column is missing. I do not know it works in Latex. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will try to create one a new style sheet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Alistair Grant >>>>>> <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 09:11:47PM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote: >>>>>>>> Thanks, it is useful. >>>>>>>> Date is 24 June 2014. >>>>>>>> Not sure if it is the latest version for what I have now in Pharo >>>>>>>> 6. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Hannes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> True, but it only covers the basic text mark-up and I don't think >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> has changed recently. Anyway, I haven't found anything wrong with >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> Pharo 6 & 7 (admittedly, with only basic pillar usage). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Alistair >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 8/23/17, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> > How about: >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>>>> > Alistair >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

by Dimitris Chloupis

Yeah this is a known bug at least to me when I test my blue theme. I think however that it was fixed to an extend. Anyway closing and opening the window will update the colors so its not a serious bug. Once the theme is changed you should experience no issues. On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 AM PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > Dimitris > > > > Update â there is a sort of bug in the screenshot, which I have caused. I > opened the page with my usual light theme, then changed themes. This > updated the colour of the background, but not the text in the foreground. > If I open the same playground display with the dark theme, the text is > white and shows up OK. But I still donât like it. > > > > Peter Kenny > > > > *From:* Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] *On > Behalf Of *PBKResearch > *Sent:* 27 August 2017 23:48 > > > *To:* 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > > > Dimitris > > > > Screenshot attached. Look particularly at the text in the right-hand page > of the playground. Also the control buttons of the playground window â the > buttons go black when the window gets focus. I opened the âAboutâ window so > you can see which version I have â not yet Pharo 6.1, but not very out of > date. > > > > Peter Kenny > > > > *From:* Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org > <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org>] *On Behalf Of *Dimitris Chloupis > *Sent:* 27 August 2017 23:10 > *To:* Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > > > Also most don't know this but light themes of Pharo were in part hard > coded. Esteban in order to create the dark theme which is based on the most > popular dark theme ( if my memory serves correctly) , Darcula , he had to > remove all this nasty code. He essentially made it possible for Pharo to > have themes without worrying about hard coded colors. So if you ever want > to make the light theme even lighter you have the dark theme to thank for > making it easier for you. > > Quite an irony , would not agree ? > > If the doctors say your eye sight is great , he knows what he is talking > about. > > Black foreground against dark grey background sound like a bug. Care to > share a screenshot ? > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 00:51, PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > > I agree with Dimitris - it is all a matter of preference - not all eyes > are the same. For myself, I find the default dark theme in Pharo very > uncomfortable. On my system, some elements have a black foreground on a > dark grey background, which is almost impossible to see. This is always > true of the maximise/minimise/close buttons, but sometimes also of text > fields in a playground. Whenever I download a new image, I immediately > switch to the Watery theme, with light background and nice coloured buttons > on the windows. > > Of course, my eyes may not be typical. I am now aged 84, and I have had > cataract operations on both eyes. My sight is actually quite good - my > optometrist confirms that I am legal to drive without spectacles - but my > adverse reaction to dark mode is strong and immediate. > > Just my 2p worth > > Peter Kenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf > Of stephan > Sent: 27 August 2017 21:46 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matter of preference > > is also a matter of biology . Not all eyes are same. > > The research is pretty clear: a large majority of developers does better > with light themes. I have been sufficiently clear on the choice to make > Pharo6 theme dark default > > Stephan > >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Dimitris Chloupis

oh , then its not what I am thinking as minimal image. Pity, oh well , I will wait for bootstrap to mature then :) On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to try > to open it this way. > > -- Pavel > > 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > >> hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra dock >> and it stays there doing nothing >> right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to use >> force quit to make it close >> >> I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 bit, >> minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. >> >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image download >>>> but it does not seem there is one anymore >>>> >>>> Is still minimal image maintained ? >>>> >>> >>> yes, as part of the bootstrap process >>> >>> >>>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? >>>> >>> >>> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under >>> name Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as >>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or >>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip >>> >>> So you do not need to do it by yourself. >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >> >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Where do I find a Pillar syntax summary?

by H. Hirzel

Stephane I went to the Pharo book web site, Enterprise Pharo - a web perspective Enterprise Pharo is the third volume of the series. This link http://files.pharo.org/books/enterprise-pharo/ and clicked on 'Pillar' and for https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/EnterprisePharoBook/lastSuccessf… got HTTP ERROR 404 I think you are currently updating the book and that there are also PDFs. How can I get at a recent version? Integration server? Where? --Hannes On 8/26/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > the most up to date description is in the web perspective book and not > much changed since then. > We are picky when it is about the changing the syntax so it nearly did > not change. > > Stef > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 10:55 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> At the moment my interest is to have a description of all the Pillar >> syntax features Pharo 5 and 6 supports. >> >> a) in an example document >> b) as a list >> >> As for Pillar syntax versions: >> >> I can imagine that there have been changes in the past. I just don't >> know. >> And there might be changes in the future. So a version indication is >> helpful even if it just says that Pharo 6 supports the same Pillar >> version as it was in Pharo x (x = 2,3,4,5 ?). >> >> On 8/24/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Good suggestion. >>> Now I have no time for pillar per se. Now if you do it I will add it >>> to pillar without hesitation. >>> Tomorrow we will >>> use bintray for all the projects to save the pdf (booklet, books). >>> migrate the mooc to the makefile generator developed by luc. >>> make sure that it works for Pillar 50 and 60. >>> migrate other pillar projects to use the same. >>> >>> BTW we do not really want to have multiple version of the syntax. >>> For example Pillar 50 and 60 are the same from a syntax point of view. >>> >>> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:24 AM, H. Hirzel <hannes.hirzel(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Alistair, >>>> >>>> Thank you for the link to the Pillar syntax summary >>>> >>>> http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet >>>> >>>> and the confirmation that the constructs there work in Pharo 6 & 7 for >>>> basic cases. This is fine for me at the moment. >>>> >>>> >>>> Stephan D >>>> Thanks for being ready to check the full feature support in Pillar. >>>> >>>> A suggestion: >>>> A new style sheet could come as well together with a test document >>>> (with version indication included) for the Pillar parser. >>>> >>>> Then it is straightforward to determine if a particular Pillar >>>> installation supports a particular Pillar markup version. >>>> >>>> The Pillar-Tests-PetitPillar package tests individual features but not >>>> all in one go. If we have a test case which tests all features in one >>>> go it has a triple function: >>>> 1) It is a syntax summary of all features. >>>> 2) It serves as a living documentation. >>>> 3) It helps to determine if a particular pillar installation in an >>>> image supports a particular Pillar version. >>>> >>>> --Hannes >>>> >>>> On 8/23/17, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> +Handling all the cases: summing a die/die handle with a die/die >>>>> handle >>>>> .>file://figures/DieDoubleDispatchFull.pdf|width=70|label=figDieDoubleDispatchFull+ >>>>> >>>>> See Figure *@figDieDoubleDispatchFull* for internal ref is missing. >>>>> >>>>> Two Column is missing. I do not know it works in Latex. >>>>> >>>>> I will try to create one a new style sheet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:46 PM, Alistair Grant >>>>> <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 09:11:47PM +0200, H. Hirzel wrote: >>>>>>> Thanks, it is useful. >>>>>>> Date is 24 June 2014. >>>>>>> Not sure if it is the latest version for what I have now in Pharo 6. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Hannes >>>>>> >>>>>> True, but it only covers the basic text mark-up and I don't think >>>>>> that >>>>>> has changed recently. Anyway, I haven't found anything wrong with it >>>>>> in >>>>>> Pharo 6 & 7 (admittedly, with only basic pillar usage). >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Alistair >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/23/17, Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> > How about: >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > http://pillarhub.pharocloud.com/hub/pillarhub/pillarcheatsheet >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > Cheers, >>>>>>> > Alistair >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> > >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Pavel Krivanek

The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to try to open it this way. -- Pavel 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra dock > and it stays there doing nothing > right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to use > force quit to make it close > > I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 bit, > minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image download but >>> it does not seem there is one anymore >>> >>> Is still minimal image maintained ? >>> >> >> yes, as part of the bootstrap process >> >> >>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? >>> >> >> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under >> name Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as >> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or >> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip >> >> So you do not need to do it by yourself. >> >> -- Pavel >> >

Aug. 28, 2017