August 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

by Dimitris Chloupis

You can use Pharo to make iOS apps . Is it a good idea ? Don't know but the author of Dr Geo can jump in here and advise you. he is the one that released Dr Geo for iOS. I think it's Android that is a bit more problematic. Your freeze is indeed weird but when it comes to MacOS , it seems I am the weird. The website advises that in Sierra Pharo 6.1 cannot work outside the Application folder, it works for me. I agree that hunting bugs , especially lower level requires a level masochism :D The easiest solution is to make sure the bug is outside Pharo. Maybe it's a driver , MacOS is prone to these kind of problems. My first Mac was crashing all my graphics orientated apps for 2 weeks after I bought it . After second week Apple updated the GOU drivers I experienced crashes of two or three per year. So do a thorough search if you have not done already , there is always a smarter guy with a work around. I am actually in the process of making a commercial Python app and wonder whether I should put Pharo into the mix. It's very tempting. On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 17:14, TedVanGaalen <tedvga(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stephane, Ben > > In the Smalltalk world, you could value me as a relatively "simple" > application developer as a first attempt after a long time, I am trying to > make > a dentist's app with Pharo Smalltalk. > (The intend is to use Smalltalk (Pharo) with Seaside and Postgress whenever > possible, > because today, Smalltalk is fast enough for most applications) > > At deeper levels, like working or even adequately understanding the inner > workings of VMs > I virtually have no knowledge. This is not my terrain. Although this might > be interesting too, > it would cost me weeks to get into that, before being able to do things > like debugging VM's... > > So also due to time constraints , I'd have to refrain from that, sorry, > also because I am currently working on a new version of my app RavelNotes. > This is in Swift ( i can live with that) btw, because Smalltalk is not > available > for making native apps for iOS iPad. Would be an extremely daunting task > to link all iOS libs etc into Smalltalk... > > > > cheers TedvG > > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Dimitris Chloupis

. > > We want Pharo without GUI to have better Pharo with GUI :-) > > -- Pavel > +1.000.000 > I am a huge fan of the bootstrap project and of course it goes far beyond the GUI. For me it's No1 in my list of my favorite new features for Pharo. I am pretty sure it will also eliminate a ton of spaghetti code and make the image far easier to understand. >

Aug. 28, 2017

Metalinks UI... ?

by Steven Costiou

Hi, i think somebody told me (i do not remember who) that an other somebody (whose name i don't remember either) made a very basic UI for metalink creation or management. Would somebody know of such project and where to find it ? Thanks, Steven.

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 6.0 and 6.1 64 bit freeze on MacMini

by TedVanGaalen

Hi Stephane, Ben In the Smalltalk world, you could value me as a relatively "simple" application developer as a first attempt after a long time, I am trying to make a dentist's app with Pharo Smalltalk. (The intend is to use Smalltalk (Pharo) with Seaside and Postgress whenever possible, because today, Smalltalk is fast enough for most applications) At deeper levels, like working or even adequately understanding the inner workings of VMs I virtually have no knowledge. This is not my terrain. Although this might be interesting too, it would cost me weeks to get into that, before being able to do things like debugging VM's... So also due to time constraints , I'd have to refrain from that, sorry, also because I am currently working on a new version of my app RavelNotes. This is in Swift ( i can live with that) btw, because Smalltalk is not available for making native apps for iOS iPad. Would be an extremely daunting task to link all iOS libs etc into Smalltalk... cheers TedvG -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-6-0-and-6-1-64-bit-freeze-on-MacMini-tp4957969p… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Pavel Krivanek

2017-08-28 13:33 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > for me Pharo and GUI go hand in hand, I cannot imagine Pharo without GUI. > I also despise the command line. Plus once you remove the GUI you kill the > very essence of Smalltalk. > > But if that is what you(you as all people who support this) like and need, > that's your choice and I respect that. > > Even back in the 80s when almost everything was command lines , I was > drooling over Amiga's 500 beautiful coloured GUIs. It started my > fascination with computer graphics and later 3d graphics and sound. > > So me and the GUI are very old friends and we go hand in hand :) > > Of course I understand if we want to go super minimal the GUI has to go > together with many other things that make Pharo what it is. But I dont care > for such extremes. I just wanted to reduce the fat. > We want Pharo without GUI to have better Pharo with GUI :-) -- Pavel > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:24 PM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> What do you expect from such minimal image? Because we can produce >> several intermediate steps on the way to the standard full Pharo image >> (BaselineOfMorphicCore, BaselineOfMorphic, BaselineOfUI, >> BaselineOfBasicTools...) >> >> -- Pavel >> >> 2017-08-28 13:17 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> oh , then its not what I am thinking as minimal image. Pity, oh well , I >>> will wait for bootstrap to mature then :) >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to >>>> try to open it this way. >>>> >>>> -- Pavel >>>> >>>> 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra >>>>> dock and it stays there doing nothing >>>>> right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to >>>>> use force quit to make it close >>>>> >>>>> I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 >>>>> bit, minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek < >>>>> pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image download >>>>>>> but it does not seem there is one anymore >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is still minimal image maintained ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yes, as part of the bootstrap process >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under >>>>>> name Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip >>>>>> >>>>>> So you do not need to do it by yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Pavel >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Thierry Goubier

2017-08-28 14:41 GMT+02:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > It is not that simple. The baseline expects that you will have a pharo > repository clone in a folder named 'pharo-core' in your working directory. > Then you need data like files or icons. > > set -e > wget http://files.pharo.org/sources/PharoV60.sources > unzip pharo-core/resources/fonts/BitmapDejaVuSans.fuel -d . > mkdir icon-packs > cd icon-packs > wget http://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-icon-packs/archive/idea11.zip > cd .. > pharo Pharo7.0-metacello-32bit-82ecd43.image --no-default-preferences > eval --save "Metacello new baseline: 'UI';repository: > 'filetree://pharo-core/src'; load" > Thanks. > > Unfortunatelly the resultant image is not usable - it immediately falls > into the emergency evaluator - because of the dependencies on translation > and fast table. We need to provide some care to it again because it is not > generated regularly -> it gets quickly broken. > Understood. I think it may have an overall huge benefit by making the system far more modular once done. But maybe, for it to work effectively, one needs to have a usable minimal image with the GUI and very simple core tools. Regards, Thierry > > -- Pavel > > > 2017-08-28 13:47 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi Pavel, >> >> what would be the expression for building such an intermediate image out >> of the minimal image? This? >> >> Metacello new >> baseline: 'BasicTools'; >> repository: 'github://pharo-project/pharo:master/src'; >> load >> >> Regards, >> >> Thierry >> >> >> 2017-08-28 13:24 GMT+02:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> What do you expect from such minimal image? Because we can produce >>> several intermediate steps on the way to the standard full Pharo image >>> (BaselineOfMorphicCore, BaselineOfMorphic, BaselineOfUI, >>> BaselineOfBasicTools...) >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> 2017-08-28 13:17 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>> >>>> oh , then its not what I am thinking as minimal image. Pity, oh well , >>>> I will wait for bootstrap to mature then :) >>>> >>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM Pavel Krivanek < >>>> pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to >>>>> try to open it this way. >>>>> >>>>> -- Pavel >>>>> >>>>> 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra >>>>>> dock and it stays there doing nothing >>>>>> right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to >>>>>> use force quit to make it close >>>>>> >>>>>> I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 >>>>>> bit, minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek < >>>>>> pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image >>>>>>>> download but it does not seem there is one anymore >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is still minimal image maintained ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yes, as part of the bootstrap process >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under >>>>>>> name Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as >>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or >>>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you do not need to do it by yourself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Pavel >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Pavel Krivanek

2017-08-28 13:43 GMT+02:00 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Pavel, > > Can you show how to produce an image without the following packages? > > Tests > Spotter > Glamour/GT > Metacello > AST/Refactoring > Sorry, I cannot. We are still not in the state where is possible to configure our image this way. The graph of the package dependencies is still too complex. -- Pavel > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > 2017-08-28 8:24 GMT-03:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > > What do you expect from such minimal image? Because we can produce > several > > intermediate steps on the way to the standard full Pharo image > > (BaselineOfMorphicCore, BaselineOfMorphic, BaselineOfUI, > > BaselineOfBasicTools...) > > > > -- Pavel > > > > 2017-08-28 13:17 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > >> > >> oh , then its not what I am thinking as minimal image. Pity, oh well , I > >> will wait for bootstrap to mature then :) > >> > >> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM Pavel Krivanek < > pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to > try > >>> to open it this way. > >>> > >>> -- Pavel > >>> > >>> 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > >>>> > >>>> hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra > dock > >>>> and it stays there doing nothing > >>>> right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to > use > >>>> force quit to make it close > >>>> > >>>> I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 > bit, > >>>> minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek > >>>> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > >: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image download > >>>>>> but it does not seem there is one anymore > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is still minimal image maintained ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> yes, as part of the bootstrap process > >>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under name > >>>>> Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as > >>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or > >>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip > >>>>> > >>>>> So you do not need to do it by yourself. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- Pavel > >>> > >>> > > > >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to create a minimal image ?

by Pavel Krivanek

It is not that simple. The baseline expects that you will have a pharo repository clone in a folder named 'pharo-core' in your working directory. Then you need data like files or icons. set -e wget http://files.pharo.org/sources/PharoV60.sources unzip pharo-core/resources/fonts/BitmapDejaVuSans.fuel -d . mkdir icon-packs cd icon-packs wget http://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-icon-packs/archive/idea11.zip cd .. pharo Pharo7.0-metacello-32bit-82ecd43.image --no-default-preferences eval --save "Metacello new baseline: 'UI';repository: 'filetree://pharo-core/src'; load" Unfortunatelly the resultant image is not usable - it immediately falls into the emergency evaluator - because of the dependencies on translation and fast table. We need to provide some care to it again because it is not generated regularly -> it gets quickly broken. -- Pavel 2017-08-28 13:47 GMT+02:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Pavel, > > what would be the expression for building such an intermediate image out > of the minimal image? This? > > Metacello new > baseline: 'BasicTools'; > repository: 'github://pharo-project/pharo:master/src'; > load > > Regards, > > Thierry > > > 2017-08-28 13:24 GMT+02:00 Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>: > >> What do you expect from such minimal image? Because we can produce >> several intermediate steps on the way to the standard full Pharo image >> (BaselineOfMorphicCore, BaselineOfMorphic, BaselineOfUI, >> BaselineOfBasicTools...) >> >> -- Pavel >> >> 2017-08-28 13:17 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >> >>> oh , then its not what I am thinking as minimal image. Pity, oh well , I >>> will wait for bootstrap to mature then :) >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:09 PM Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The minimal image is headless image without any GUI. It is useless to >>>> try to open it this way. >>>> >>>> -- Pavel >>>> >>>> 2017-08-28 13:03 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>>> >>>>> hmm does not work for me, it open the icon of pharo on macos sierra >>>>> dock and it stays there doing nothing >>>>> right clicking on it and choosing quit does nothing, so I am have to >>>>> use force quit to make it close >>>>> >>>>> I have downloaded pharo 6.1 from the website, default download, 32 >>>>> bit, minimal 32 bit image. I drag and drop image on top of pharo. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 10:29 AM Pavel Krivanek < >>>>> pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> 2017-08-26 19:31 GMT+02:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I remember that the website used to link to a minimal image download >>>>>>> but it does not seem there is one anymore >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is still minimal image maintained ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yes, as part of the bootstrap process >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Are there ways to make a image minimal ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> it is created in bootstrap/scripts/build.sh under >>>>>> name Pharo7.0-metacello-* and saved on files.pharo.org as >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-32.zip or >>>>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/70/latest-minimal-64.zip >>>>>> >>>>>> So you do not need to do it by yourself. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Pavel >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I think it not only a matter of user preference, but also environment lighting conditions. In bright environments, as with natural light, I prefer to use the light theme. At night or with artificial light dark theme fits better. Regards, Esteban A. Maringolo 2017-08-28 9:30 GMT-03:00 Tim Mackinnon <tim(a)testit.works>: > > I found the place to adjust this - but I need to debug it as it seems my > change also effects the colour used to highlight selected text (which is > weird). > > If you modify the following method (possibly in a subclass), I found this > helped - but havenât figured out why text highlight colour would be impacted > by this change? > > configureWindowBorderFor: aWindow > "Made window borders a bit thcker and slightly lighter to its easier to > distinguish > overlapping windows" > | aStyle | > aStyle := > SimpleBorder new > color: self borderColor lighter lighter lighter; > width: 2. > aWindow borderStyle: aStyle. > > > Tim > > On 28 Aug 2017, at 01:08, PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > > Dimitris > > > > Update â there is a sort of bug in the screenshot, which I have caused. I > opened the page with my usual light theme, then changed themes. This updated > the colour of the background, but not the text in the foreground. If I open > the same playground display with the dark theme, the text is white and shows > up OK. But I still donât like it. > > > > Peter Kenny > > > > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > PBKResearch > Sent: 27 August 2017 23:48 > To: 'Any question about pharo is welcome' <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > > > Dimitris > > > > Screenshot attached. Look particularly at the text in the right-hand page of > the playground. Also the control buttons of the playground window â the > buttons go black when the window gets focus. I opened the âAboutâ window so > you can see which version I have â not yet Pharo 6.1, but not very out of > date. > > > > Peter Kenny > > > > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > Dimitris Chloupis > Sent: 27 August 2017 23:10 > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > > > Also most don't know this but light themes of Pharo were in part hard coded. > Esteban in order to create the dark theme which is based on the most popular > dark theme ( if my memory serves correctly) , Darcula , he had to remove all > this nasty code. He essentially made it possible for Pharo to have themes > without worrying about hard coded colors. So if you ever want to make the > light theme even lighter you have the dark theme to thank for making it > easier for you. > > Quite an irony , would not agree ? > > If the doctors say your eye sight is great , he knows what he is talking > about. > > Black foreground against dark grey background sound like a bug. Care to > share a screenshot ? > > On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 00:51, PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > > I agree with Dimitris - it is all a matter of preference - not all eyes are > the same. For myself, I find the default dark theme in Pharo very > uncomfortable. On my system, some elements have a black foreground on a dark > grey background, which is almost impossible to see. This is always true of > the maximise/minimise/close buttons, but sometimes also of text fields in a > playground. Whenever I download a new image, I immediately switch to the > Watery theme, with light background and nice coloured buttons on the > windows. > > Of course, my eyes may not be typical. I am now aged 84, and I have had > cataract operations on both eyes. My sight is actually quite good - my > optometrist confirms that I am legal to drive without spectacles - but my > adverse reaction to dark mode is strong and immediate. > > Just my 2p worth > > Peter Kenny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of > stephan > Sent: 27 August 2017 21:46 > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode > > On 27-08-17 22:37, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >> White or dark is a matter of preference. But the matter of preference >> is also a matter of biology . Not all eyes are same. > > The research is pretty clear: a large majority of developers does better > with light themes. I have been sufficiently clear on the choice to make > Pharo6 theme dark default > > Stephan >

Aug. 28, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Dark Mode

by phil＠highoctane.be

You can eat eggs all you want provided you burn the calories. They are shock full of amino acids. Cholesterol is a precursor of testosterone, so, no cholesterol is going to put a man in a bad place. Eggs and heavy deadlifts and squats. Yay, feel the burn. Speaking of which: anyone have a .fit file binding for Pharo? See this forum thread for a clue: https://www.thisisant.com/forum/viewthread/4275 Roassal + Dataframe on fit files would be a great thing to have. Phil On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Nutrition wise, scientists always agreed that eggs contained pretty much > everything the body needs. Problem was cholesterol which the egg does > significant rise. > > The fact that did change was that high cholesterol is bad, some doctors > would argue even deadly for ones health. Problem was that this fact was > based on a research that was on a very small group of subjects and if I am > not mistaken it was not even humans it was lab rats. > > The problem none really funded a serious research for this fact and when > they did they discovered that indeed eggs and other food do raise > cholesterol significantly but our liver is capable of reducing the > production of cholesterol to compensate hence its nowhere near as harmful > as they used to assume. > > Science is flawed mainly because finding small facts is easy and cheap but > general fact are very complex and very very expensive. > > Like all things, you get what you are paying for. This is why you see and > hear so many contradictory facts. They are mostly based on simple cheap > research. Plus "fact" is purely a fantasy, our world is too complex for > facts as most people define them. There is truth sure, but not as easy to > consume and explain as we would wish. > > The preference to light and dark themes is not product of bad scientific > research. I suspect the reasons are too complex for science anyway because > we are even eons away from explaining the human brain and how it works. > > Pharo not only allow you to choose a theme but its theme classes are > actually very easy to use which is something it inherit from Squeak. It > took me a day to create my own theme. > > The Dark UI theme class is excellent example for anyone who wants to > subclass it and create his own light or dark theme because its not that > complex. > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 2:57 PM Davorin Rusevljan < > davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> If I can throw in my 2c, themes are like nutrition facts. When I was a >> kid eggs were the healthiest thing to consume in universe. Then they were a >> root of all evil, and now days are nutrition packed food. >> >> I have observed similar circles in background color usability. Pharo has >> ability to choose a theme, it has both currently fashionable and older ones >> to choose from. I do not see need for anything else on that front. >> >> Davorin Rusevljan >> >

Aug. 28, 2017