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Re: [Pharo-users] [Deploy] Deploying application - New Best Practices?

by Pierce Ng

On Fri, Jun 02, 2017 at 12:52:35PM -0700, sergio_101 wrote: > Where can i find a current RFBServer? http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~PharoExtras/RFB

June 3, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and QT

by Pieter Swinkels

One other thing, what part of Qt you would like to use, the widget world or the QML world? I have been thinking about building a UI in QML and using Pharo to implement the model. This could be doable. However, the best idea I came up with (up till now) would require custom glue code in C++ (although I do like the idea of integrating with PyQt or PySide instead). But I have only been toying with the idea, nothing more. I intended to post the message to the mailing list before, but by accident I sent it directly to another mailing list participant. My sincere apologies for that... Kind regards, Pieter. On Friday, June 2, 2017 10:02 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: There is a way to make this into a small task One of my experiments of testing my Pharo to Python bridge (What I have named project "Atlas") was to Â build a QT hello world example. It created a problem because I was using python threads that QT does not like (it offers its own kind of threads) but after changing the code to use no threads, it worked.Â My bridge is not like UFFI where anything has to be wrapped because unlike C , Python is a dynamic language so there is no need for wrappers because Atlas allows dynamic execution of code. But of course there is the issues of data types and how they can be mapped to Pharo and the fact that PyQT free version is GPL and commercial is 500 dollars which sits of course on top of the commercial version of QT. So at the time I decided to not pursue it.Â I will give it a try and see how far it can goes, at worst I may offer a partial solution to using QT with Pharo. Then someone else can take it from there if there is genuine interest and expand it to more features. Â

June 3, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and QT

by Pieter Swinkels

With regard toÂ >> the fact that PyQT free version is GPL and commercial is 500 dollars which sits of course on top of the commercial version of QTÂ There is an alternative to PyQt, that the Qt company intends to make a first-class citizen of the Qt ecosystem, namely PySide(2). The project languished after Nokia sold Qt to what is know "The Qt Company", but development is ongoing again. For details, see https://wiki.qt.io/PySide2 and https://groups.google.com/d/msg/pyside-dev/pqwzngAGLWE/kXUpXBhILAAJ For the record, I do not use PySide (or PyQt for that matter) and I do not know what the current status is of this endeavor. Kind regards, Pieter. On Friday, June 2, 2017 10:02 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: There is a way to make this into a small task One of my experiments of testing my Pharo to Python bridge (What I have named project "Atlas") was to Â build a QT hello world example. It created a problem because I was using python threads that QT does not like (it offers its own kind of threads) but after changing the code to use no threads, it worked.Â My bridge is not like UFFI where anything has to be wrapped because unlike C , Python is a dynamic language so there is no need for wrappers because Atlas allows dynamic execution of code. But of course there is the issues of data types and how they can be mapped to Pharo and the fact that PyQT free version is GPL and commercial is 500 dollars which sits of course on top of the commercial version of QT. So at the time I decided to not pursue it.Â I will give it a try and see how far it can goes, at worst I may offer a partial solution to using QT with Pharo. Then someone else can take it from there if there is genuine interest and expand it to more features. Â On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 12:01 AM Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: Hi dimitris We would love to have that. We could have a Spec binding and build automatically applications in QT for people willing.Â Esteban always wanted to have a Cocoa binding used the same way.Â But this is large task Stef On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: A must for any serious dekstop application with Pharo, but it is a hudge task Le 29/05/2017 Ã 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > Is there an interest for working with QT from Pharo ? I make no > promises just something I was interested in trying. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 3, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and QT

by Ben Coman

As long as your having fun yourself, sounds like a good idea. If you manage a minimum viable product like example code, wider interest may arise. Good luck. cheers -ben On Sat, Jun 3, 2017 at 4:00 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There is a way to make this into a small task > > One of my experiments of testing my Pharo to Python bridge (What I have > named project "Atlas") was to build a QT hello world example. It created a > problem because I was using python threads that QT does not like (it offers > its own kind of threads) but after changing the code to use no threads, it > worked. > > My bridge is not like UFFI where anything has to be wrapped because unlike > C , Python is a dynamic language so there is no need for wrappers because > Atlas allows dynamic execution of code. But of course there is the issues > of data types and how they can be mapped to Pharo and the fact that PyQT > free version is GPL and commercial is 500 dollars which sits of course on > top of the commercial version of QT. So at the time I decided to not pursue > it. > > I will give it a try and see how far it can goes, at worst I may offer a > partial solution to using QT with Pharo. Then someone else can take it from > there if there is genuine interest and expand it to more features. > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 12:01 AM Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi dimitris >> >> We would love to have that. We could have a Spec binding and build >> automatically applications in QT for people willing. >> Esteban always wanted to have a Cocoa binding used the same way. >> But this is large task >> >> Stef >> >> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> >>> A must for any serious dekstop application with Pharo, but it is a hudge >>> task >>> >>> >>> Le 29/05/2017 Ã 14:35, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : >>> > Is there an interest for working with QT from Pharo ? I make no >>> > promises just something I was interested in trying. >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Geo >>> http://drgeo.eu >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

June 3, 2017

Analyzing Fuel Problem

by Sean P. DeNigris

I had an object graph that was pulling in all sorts of unrelated classes when serialized with Fuel. I was trying to find the offending object, and came up with the following: ``` (FLAnalyzer newDefault analysisFor: root) clusterization globalsBucket ``` This worked, but I was wondering if that's "the right way" to do it... Thanks. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Analyzing-Fuel-Problem-tp4949104.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 3, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Deprecation Warning

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

World>>System>>Settings Tools>>Debugging>>Deprecation handling Raise a blocking dialog if true, then a dialog is popup for each deprecated method invocation hth On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Georges <gkgobith(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > Is there somewhere a setting to turn off the Deprecation Warning debugger? > > Georges > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ > Deprecation-Warning-tp4949096.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Bernardo E.C. Sent from a cheap desktop computer in South America.

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Deprecation Warning

by Georges

Thanks ! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Deprecation-Warning-tp4949096p4949098.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 2, 2017

Deprecation Warning

by Georges

Hello, Is there somewhere a setting to turn off the Deprecation Warning debugger? Georges -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Deprecation-Warning-tp4949096.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Transducers to Pharo

by Steffen MÃ¤rcker

Thanks, this appears to work. Attached you'll find the file-out from VisualWorks and the file-out from Pharo (includes package comment). Cheers! Steffen Am .06.2017, 20:06 Uhr, schrieb Yanni Chiu <yanni.code(a)gmail.com>: > To get the extension methods into the Transducers package, the following > worked for me - edit the category to have the prefix '*Transducers-' > > 2710c2710 > > < !Number methodsFor: 'transforming' stamp: ' 2/6/17 15:38'! > > --- > >> !Number methodsFor: '*Transducers-transforming' stamp: ' 2/6/17 15:38'! > > > On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 11:05 AM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> thanks for the many suggestions. I didn't had time to test all >> import/export ways yet. But for now, I can report on two: >> >> 1) NGFileOuter >> Unfortunately It raised several MNUs in my image. I'll investigate them >> later. >> >> 2) FileOut30 (VW Contributed) >> I was able to file out the code except for the package definition. >> Replacing {category: ''} in the class definitions with {package: >> 'Transducers'} fixed that. However, methods that extend existing classes >> did not end up in the Transducers package. Is there a similar easy >> change >> to the file-out making that happen? Also I'd like to add the package >> comment if that's possible. >> >> Most things appear to work as far as I can see. Two exceptions: >> 1) Random is a subclass of Stream in VW and in Pharo it is not. Hence, >> I'll have to copy some methods from Stream to Random. >> 2) I used #beImmutable in VW but I couldn't yet figure out how to make >> objects immutable in Pharo. >> >> However, until the tests are ported, I cannot guarantee. Porting the >> test >> suite will be another beast, since I rely on the excellent >> mocking/stubbing >> library DoubleAgents by Randy Coulman. I am not sure how I will handle >> that. In general, I think it would be really worth the effort to be >> ported >> to Pharo, too. DoubleAgents is pretty powerful and produces easy to read >> and understand mocking/stubbing code. Personally, I prefer it clearly, >> e.g., over Mocketry (no offence intended!). >> >> Attached you'll find the file-out that I loaded into Pharo. The issues >> above are not addressed yet. However, the following example works: >> >> | scale sides count collect experiment random samples coin flip | >> scale := [:x | (x * 2 + 1) floor] map. >> sides := #(heads tails) replace. >> count := 1000 take. >> collect := [:bag :c | bag add: c; yourself]. >> experiment := (scale * sides * count) transform: collect. >> random := #(0.1 0.3 0.4 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.8 0.9). >> >> samples := random >> reduce: experiment >> init: Bag new. >> >> samples := random >> transduce: scale * sides * count >> reduce: collect >> init: Bag new. >> >> coin := sides <~ scale <~ random. >> flip := Bag <~ count. >> >> samples := flip <~ coin. >> >> >> Best, Steffen >> >> >> >> Am .06.2017, 08:16 Uhr, schrieb Stephane Ducasse >> <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com >> >: >> >> There is a package for that NGFileOuter or something like that on cincom >>> store. >>> We used it for mobydic code. >>> >>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Alexandre Bergel < >>> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> If I remember correctly, there is a parcel in VisualWorks to export a >>> file >>>> out (Squeak format). >>>> >>>> @Milton, can you give a hand to Steffen? >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks for the encouraging response! First question: Which is the >>>> recommended (friction free) way to exchange code between VW and Pharo? >>>> >>>> Cheers! >>>> Steffen >>>> >>>> Am .05.2017, 16:22 Uhr, schrieb Alexandre Bergel < >>>> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com >>>> >: >>>> >>>> I second Sven. This is very exciting! >>>> >>>> Let us know when you have something ready to be tested. >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>

June 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Porting Transducers to Pharo

by Steffen MÃ¤rcker

Hi Stephane & Damien! The short answer is that the compact notation turned out to work much better for me in my code, especially, if multiple transducers are involved. But that's my personal taste. You can choose which suits you better. In fact, 1000 take. just sits on top and simply calls Take number: 1000. If the need arises, we could of course factor the compact notation out into a separate package. Btw, would you prefer (Take n: 1000) over (Take number: 1000)? Damien, you're right, I experimented with additional styles. Right now, we already have in the basic Transducer package: (collection transduce: #squared map * 1000 take. "which is equal to" (collection transduce: #squared map) transduce: 1000 take. Basically, one can split #transduce:reduce:init: into single calls of #transduce:, #reduce:, and #init:, depending on the needs. I also have an (unfinished) extension, that allows to write: (collection transduce map: #squared) take: 1000. This feels familiar, but becomes a bit hard to read if more than two steps are needed. collection transduce map: #squared; take: 1000. I think, this alternative would reads nicely. But as the message chain has to modify the underlying object (an eduction), very snaky side effects may occur. E.g., consider eduction := collection transduce. squared := eduction map: #squared. take := squared take: 1000. Now, all three variables hold onto the same object, which first squares all elements and than takes the first 1000. Best, Steffen Am .06.2017, 21:28 Uhr, schrieb Damien Pollet <damien.pollet+pharo(a)gmail.com>: > If I recall correctly, there is an alternate protocol that looks more > like > xtreams or the traditional select/collect iterations. > > On 2 June 2017 at 21:12, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I have a design question >> >> why the library is implemented in functional style vs messages? >> I do not see why this is needed. To my eyes the compact notation >> goes against readibility of code and it feels ad-hoc in Smalltalk. >> >> >> I really prefer >> >> square := Map function: #squared. >> take := Take number: 1000. >> >> Because I know that I can read it and understand it. >> From that perspective I prefer Xtreams. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Steffen MÃ¤rcker <merkste(a)web.de> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am the developer of the library 'Transducers' for VisualWorks. It was >>> formerly known as 'Reducers', but this name was a poor choice. I'd >>> like to >>> port it to Pharo, if there is any interest on your side. I hope to >>> learn >>> more about Pharo in this process, since I am mainly a VW guy. And most >>> likely, I will come up with a bunch of questions. :-) >>> >>> Meanwhile, I'll cross-post the introduction from VWnc below. I'd be >>> very >>> happy to hear your optinions, questions and I hope we can start a >>> fruitful >>> discussion - even if there is not Pharo port yet. >>> >>> Best, Steffen >>> >>> >>> >>> Transducers are building blocks that encapsulate how to process >>> elements >>> of a data sequence independently of the underlying input and output >>> source. >>> >>> >>> >>> # Overview >>> >>> ## Encapsulate >>> Implementations of enumeration methods, such as #collect:, have the >>> logic >>> how to process a single element in common. >>> However, that logic is reimplemented each and every time. Transducers >>> make >>> it explicit and facilitate re-use and coherent behavior. >>> For example: >>> - #collect: requires mapping: (aBlock1 map) >>> - #select: requires filtering: (aBlock2 filter) >>> >>> >>> ## Compose >>> In practice, algorithms often require multiple processing steps, e.g., >>> mapping only a filtered set of elements. >>> Transducers are inherently composable, and hereby, allow to make the >>> combination of steps explicit. >>> Since transducers do not build intermediate collections, their >>> composition >>> is memory-efficient. >>> For example: >>> - (aBlock1 filter) * (aBlock2 map) "(1.) filter and (2.) map >>> elements" >>> >>> >>> ## Re-Use >>> Transducers are decoupled from the input and output sources, and hence, >>> they can be reused in different contexts. >>> For example: >>> - enumeration of collections >>> - processing of streams >>> - communicating via channels >>> >>> >>> >>> # Usage by Example >>> >>> We build a coin flipping experiment and count the occurrence of heads >>> and >>> tails. >>> >>> First, we associate random numbers with the sides of a coin. >>> >>> scale := [:x | (x * 2 + 1) floor] map. >>> sides := #(heads tails) replace. >>> >>> Scale is a transducer that maps numbers x between 0 and 1 to 1 and 2. >>> Sides is a transducer that replaces the numbers with heads an tails by >>> lookup in an array. >>> Next, we choose a number of samples. >>> >>> count := 1000 take. >>> >>> Count is a transducer that takes 1000 elements from a source. >>> We keep track of the occurrences of heads an tails using a bag. >>> >>> collect := [:bag :c | bag add: c; yourself]. >>> >>> Collect is binary block (reducing function) that collects events in a >>> bag. >>> We assemble the experiment by transforming the block using the >>> transducers. >>> >>> experiment := (scale * sides * count) transform: collect. >>> >>> From left to right we see the steps involved: scale, sides, count and >>> collect. >>> Transforming assembles these steps into a binary block (reducing >>> function) >>> we can use to run the experiment. >>> >>> samples := Random new >>> reduce: experiment >>> init: Bag new. >>> >>> Here, we use #reduce:init:, which is mostly similar to #inject:into:. >>> To execute a transformation and a reduction together, we can use >>> #transduce:reduce:init:. >>> >>> samples := Random new >>> transduce: scale * sides * count >>> reduce: collect >>> init: Bag new. >>> >>> We can also express the experiment as data-flow using #<~. >>> This enables us to build objects that can be re-used in other >>> experiments. >>> >>> coin := sides <~ scale <~ Random new. >>> flip := Bag <~ count. >>> >>> Coin is an eduction, i.e., it binds transducers to a source and >>> understands #reduce:init: among others. >>> Flip is a transformed reduction, i.e., it binds transducers to a >>> reducing >>> function and an initial value. >>> By sending #<~, we draw further samples from flipping the coin. >>> >>> samples := flip <~ coin. >>> >>> This yields a new Bag with another 1000 samples. >>> >>> >>> >>> # Basic Concepts >>> >>> ## Reducing Functions >>> >>> A reducing function represents a single step in processing a data >>> sequence. >>> It takes an accumulated result and a value, and returns a new >>> accumulated >>> result. >>> For example: >>> >>> collect := [:col :e | col add: e; yourself]. >>> sum := #+. >>> >>> A reducing function can also be ternary, i.e., it takes an accumulated >>> result, a key and a value. >>> For example: >>> >>> collect := [:dic :k :v | dict at: k put: v; yourself]. >>> >>> Reducing functions may be equipped with an optional completing action. >>> After finishing processing, it is invoked exactly once, e.g., to free >>> resources. >>> >>> stream := [:str :e | str nextPut: each; yourself] completing: >>> #close. >>> absSum := #+ completing: #abs >>> >>> A reducing function can end processing early by signaling Reduced with >>> a >>> result. >>> This mechanism also enables the treatment of infinite sources. >>> >>> nonNil := [:res :e | e ifNil: [Reduced signalWith: res] ifFalse: >>> [res]]. >>> >>> The primary approach to process a data sequence is the reducing >>> protocol >>> with the messages #reduce:init: and #transduce:reduce:init: if >>> transducers >>> are involved. >>> The behavior is similar to #inject:into: but in addition it takes care >>> of: >>> - handling binary and ternary reducing functions, >>> - invoking the completing action after finishing, and >>> - stopping the reduction if Reduced is signaled. >>> The message #transduce:reduce:init: just combines the transformation >>> and >>> the reducing step. >>> >>> However, as reducing functions are step-wise in nature, an application >>> may >>> choose other means to process its data. >>> >>> >>> ## Reducibles >>> >>> A data source is called reducible if it implements the reducing >>> protocol. >>> Default implementations are provided for collections and streams. >>> Additionally, blocks without an argument are reducible, too. >>> This allows to adapt to custom data sources without additional effort. >>> For example: >>> >>> "XStreams adaptor" >>> xstream := filename reading. >>> reducible := [[xstream get] on: Incomplete do: [Reduced signal]]. >>> >>> "natural numbers" >>> n := 0. >>> reducible := [n := n+1]. >>> >>> >>> ## Transducers >>> >>> A transducer is an object that transforms a reducing function into >>> another. >>> Transducers encapsulate common steps in processing data sequences, >>> such as >>> map, filter, concatenate, and flatten. >>> A transducer transforms a reducing function into another via >>> #transform: >>> in order to add those steps. >>> They can be composed using #* which yields a new transducer that does >>> both >>> transformations. >>> Most transducers require an argument, typically blocks, symbols or >>> numbers: >>> >>> square := Map function: #squared. >>> take := Take number: 1000. >>> >>> To facilitate compact notation, the argument types implement >>> corresponding >>> methods: >>> >>> squareAndTake := #squared map * 1000 take. >>> >>> Transducers requiring no argument are singletons and can be accessed by >>> their class name. >>> >>> flattenAndDedupe := Flatten * Dedupe. >>> >>> >>> >>> # Advanced Concepts >>> >>> ## Data flows >>> >>> Processing a sequence of data can often be regarded as a data flow. >>> The operator #<~ allows define a flow from a data source through >>> processing steps to a drain. >>> For example: >>> >>> squares := Set <~ 1000 take <~ #squared map <~ (1 to: 1000). >>> fileOut writeStream <~ #isSeparator filter <~ fileIn readStream. >>> >>> In both examples #<~ is only used to set up the data flow using >>> reducing >>> functions and transducers. >>> In contrast to streams, transducers are completely independent from >>> input >>> and output sources. >>> Hence, we have a clear separation of reading data, writing data and >>> processing elements. >>> - Sources know how to iterate over data with a reducing function, e.g., >>> via #reduce:init:. >>> - Drains know how to collect data using a reducing function. >>> - Transducers know how to process single elements. >>> >>> >>> ## Reductions >>> >>> A reduction binds an initial value or a block yielding an initial >>> value to >>> a reducing function. >>> The idea is to define a ready-to-use process that can be applied in >>> different contexts. >>> Reducibles handle reductions via #reduce: and #transduce:reduce: >>> For example: >>> >>> sum := #+ init: 0. >>> sum1 := #(1 1 1) reduce: sum. >>> sum2 := (1 to: 1000) transduce: #odd filter reduce: sum. >>> >>> asSet := [:set :e | set add: e; yourself] initializer: [Set new]. >>> set1 := #(1 1 1) reduce: asSet. >>> set2 := #(1 to: 1000) transduce: #odd filter reduce: asSet. >>> >>> By combining a transducer with a reduction, a process can be further >>> modified. >>> >>> sumOdds := sum <~ #odd filter >>> setOdds := asSet <~ #odd filter >>> >>> >>> ## Eductions >>> >>> An eduction combines a reducible data sources with a transducer. >>> The idea is to define a transformed (virtual) data source that needs >>> not >>> to be stored in memory. >>> >>> odds1 := #odd filter <~ #(1 2 3) readStream. >>> odds2 := #odd filter <~ (1 to 1000). >>> >>> Depending on the underlying source, eductions can be processed once >>> (streams, e.g., odds1) or multiple times (collections, e.g., odds2). >>> Since no intermediate data is stored, transducers actions are lazy, >>> i.e., >>> they are invoked each time the eduction is processed. >>> >>> >>> >>> # Origins >>> >>> Transducers is based on the same-named Clojure library and its ideas. >>> Please see: >>> http://clojure.org/transducers >>> >>>

June 2, 2017