June 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Planet squeak and friends

by Stephane Ducasse

Please remove planetfr.squeak.org. Bruce you should not be sad. Pharo is getting cooler and cooler the community is growing. Pharoers are delivering amazing tools and frameworks. And it will continue because we are just all pushing in the same direction. Because Pharo is Yours. You can have an impact and help us making it even better. Stef On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel(a)pckswarms.ch> wrote: > Hi, > > This now seems to work though there are a few points: > > * http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml gives me a 502, but, http://pharo.org/news/ > works fine. Could someone look into this please? > > * I have renamed any site that still responds but has not been updated in > 2017 to Historical - site name. There are sadly only 6 sites NOT marked > historical and 16 marked historical. Surely there are some other > squeak/pharo/?? blogs, right? If so, please send them to me! > > * In a few weeks most of the historical sites will disapear. > > * I've not looked hard at any other than planet.squeak.org. > > * Planetfr.squeak.org had no sites. Should we keep it? > > * As sad as I might be about it, croquet seems to have passed on. Should I > just get rid of planetcroquet? > > Thanks. And thanks for the responses before. I'll implement them, don't > worry. > > cheers > > bruce > > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Stephane Ducasse

thanks Pavel this is great to see that happening :) On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 6:47 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > if you will do own bootstrap, you can use BaselineOfUI instead of > BaselineOfIDE. But you can use prebuilt image from here: > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/6.0-SysConf/job/Pharo-6.0-Step-10-01-Configu… > > Into such image load Dr. Geo with the attached script: > ./pharo-ui Pharo-6.0-ConfigurationOfUI.image --no-default-preferences st > load.st --save --quit > > and run it with: > ./pharo-ui Pharo-6.0-ConfigurationOfUI.image --no-default-preferences > > This image hase some problems with settings processing so the > --no-default-preferences is needed. We need to fix it. > > The resultant image is under 18MB. Of course we can do better :-) > > -- Pavel > > > 2017-06-25 17:16 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: >> >> Hi Pavel, >> >> I removed deprecated method uses, then I updated accordingly the >> 'development' configuration of Dr. Geo. Hope it helps. >> >> Thanks >> >> Hilaire >> >> Le 25/06/2017 Ã 10:03, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : >> > >> > I tried to play a little bit with that. As the first step please check >> > that Dr. Geo can be loaded properly into the standard Pharo 6 image with >> > the package Deprecated60 unloaded. The Dr. Geo uses some deprecated >> > calls and this package is not present in the smaller images. >> > >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >> >> >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Stephane Ducasse

Hilaire I like your goal because this is what we want to achieve. what you should know is that the Pharo packages that we load to create Pharo are not all modular because they were not. We started to get Pharo modular and we will continue. On two fronts: - getting the core smaller - getting pharo more modular So if you see - packages where a dependency can be easily removed (for example by producing two packages instead of one). - packages that can just be loaded separately (we could just create a new package out an larger one). - packages that can just be thrown away. let us know. Stef On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 10:29 AM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > Le 24/06/2017 Ã 09:35, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : >> The question is what is your goal because the bootstrapped image will > > I want to build an image for DrGeo which is not 60MB. (the size I have > now on my P6 dev image for Dr. Geo) > > Until now, DrGeo was installed then unecessary packages removed. With > the first Pharo release, DrGeo image was around 10MB, in the latest > DrGeo release (based on P3), its image is more than 20MB. > > For P6, if possible, I would like to use the bootstrap process > >> have in the end (almost) the same content as the default >> non-bootstrapped image. >> You probably want to change the content of the produced image wich >> requires to modify the related baselines and do not load them all. For >> Dr Geo you will probably want to start with the BaselineOfMorphic >> however you will probably need a lot of custom modifications. > > > I don't know... May be we can take Dr. Geo as an excuse to see step by > step how to do it. If we succeed I could document it so it may be useful > to other. > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [squeak-dev] Planet squeak and friends

by Tobias Pape

> On 25.06.2017, at 20:33, Simon Michael <simon(a)joyful.com> wrote: > > Hi Bruce, thanks for working on it. > > I see you've moved planet*.squeak.org to another server and are making updates. Great! > > > On 6/25/17 7:54 AM, Bruce O'Neel wrote: >> This now seems to work though there are a few points: >> * [http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml](http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml) gives me a 502, but, [http://pharo.org/news/](http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml)Ã works fine.Ã Could someone look into this please? > > That's a little confusing. Are you moving/mirroring planet squeak to the pharo.org namespace ? > >> * I have renamed any site that still responds but has not been updated in 2017 to Historical - site name.Ã There are sadly only 6 sites NOT marked historical and 16 marked historical.Ã Surely there are some other squeak/pharo/?? blogs, right?Ã If so, please send them to me! >> * In a few weeks most of the historical sites will disapear.Ã > > Sounds good, I guess. > >> * I've not looked hard at any other than planet.squeak.org.Ã >> * Planetfr.squeak.org had no sites.Ã Should we keep it? > Nope, >> * As sad as I might be about it, croquet seems to have passed on.Ã Should I just get rid of planetcroquet? > > Yep. > > How about putting planetes on leave as well. It doesn't make sense to have an aggregator for one active feed. > > Any of these could be revived later if necessary. Or the active feeds could be merged into the main planet, unless the mixed languages make that too noisy. > > planetmisc.squeak.org - I've never heard of anyone using this, your call.. > > planet.smalltalk.org - hmm, still going strong. Do you think it still makes sense to have squeak-ish planet(s) separate from planet smalltalk ? Would it be better to focus everything there instead ? Note that this particular planet is not currently on the new squeak infrastructure. best regards -tobias > > Best > -Simon > > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Stephane Ducasse

Hilaire, Pay attention, we (pharo) bootstrap the minicore image based on git You do not need to bootstrap pharo you can simply apply the buildscript on the minicore image. then we use a buildscript to load pharo packages. In the future we expect that people will be able to - take the miniimage and build with specific script (mainlu metacello configuration) their own specialized image I would focus on this part if I would be you. Stef On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:12 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > I want to build a Pharo6 image from scratch for Dr. Geo. How to do it? > > Thanks > > Hilaire > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Teapot and POST:

by Stephane Ducasse

super cool! On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 7:35 PM, Attila Magyar <m.magyar3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Stef, > > Yeah, I've just sent a pull request. > > Attila > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Teapot-and-POST-tp4951616p4952553.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Teapot and POST:

by Attila Magyar

Hi Stef, Yeah, I've just sent a pull request. Attila -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Teapot-and-POST-tp4951616p4952553.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, if you will do own bootstrap, you can use BaselineOfUI instead of BaselineOfIDE. But you can use prebuilt image from here: https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/6.0-SysConf/job/Pharo-6.0-Step-10-01-Configu… Into such image load Dr. Geo with the attached script: ./pharo-ui Pharo-6.0-ConfigurationOfUI.image --no-default-preferences st load.st --save --quit and run it with: ./pharo-ui Pharo-6.0-ConfigurationOfUI.image --no-default-preferences This image hase some problems with settings processing so the --no-default-preferences is needed. We need to fix it. The resultant image is under 18MB. Of course we can do better :-) -- Pavel 2017-06-25 17:16 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Hi Pavel, > > I removed deprecated method uses, then I updated accordingly the > 'development' configuration of Dr. Geo. Hope it helps. > > Thanks > > Hilaire > > Le 25/06/2017 Ã 10:03, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > > > > I tried to play a little bit with that. As the first step please check > > that Dr. Geo can be loaded properly into the standard Pharo 6 image with > > the package Deprecated60 unloaded. The Dr. Geo uses some deprecated > > calls and this package is not present in the smaller images. > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Hi Pavel, I removed deprecated method uses, then I updated accordingly the 'development' configuration of Dr. Geo. Hope it helps. Thanks Hilaire Le 25/06/2017 Ã 10:03, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > > I tried to play a little bit with that. As the first step please check > that Dr. Geo can be loaded properly into the standard Pharo 6 image with > the package Deprecated60 unloaded. The Dr. Geo uses some deprecated > calls and this package is not present in the smaller images. > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 25, 2017

Planet squeak and friends

by Bruce O'Neel

Hi, This now seems to work though there are a few points: * [http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml](http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml) gives me a 502, but, [http://pharo.org/news/](http://pharo.org/news/atom.xml)ÃÂ works fine.ÃÂ Could someone look into this please? * I have renamed any site that still responds but has not been updated in 2017 to Historical - site name.ÃÂ There are sadly only 6 sites NOT marked historical and 16 marked historical.ÃÂ Surely there are some other squeak/pharo/?? blogs, right?ÃÂ If so, please send them to me! * In a few weeks most of the historical sites will disapear.ÃÂ * I've not looked hard at any other than planet.squeak.org.ÃÂ * Planetfr.squeak.org had no sites.ÃÂ Should we keep it? * As sad as I might be about it, croquet seems to have passed on.ÃÂ Should I just get rid of planetcroquet? Thanks.ÃÂ And thanks for the responses before.ÃÂ I'll implement them, don't worry. cheers bruce

June 25, 2017