June 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Loading PharoJS Re: PharoJS

by Pierce Ng

Just tried loading PharoJS with this snippet: Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'noury' project: 'PharoJS'; configuration; loadStable Loaded cleanly on a fresh 32-bit Pharo-50772 image. Ran almost half the tests during which it created/deleted tabs on my open Chromium browser repeatedly. Then the tests started a new instance of my default browser (which happens to be Midori) and here seemingly the web socket stuff didn't work so well, so I aborted the tests, but this I attribute to Midori not PharoJS. On a fresh 64-bit Pharo-60501 image, while loading PharoJSBridge-NouryBouraqadi-120, error encountered: SyntaxError: Variable or expression expected Object as yet unclassified makeInspect makeInspect. Variable or expression expected-><javascript: 'blah blah blah blah }'> Closing the error alert box brought up a debugger at RBParser>>parserError:. Any idea what to fix, anyone? Pierce

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Working with a compressed Fuel file?

by stephan

A long time ago, Mariano wrote: > And what happened with the vm gzip crash? Still around? Yep, still crashing the vm. I revisited my MonticelloProjects experiment yesterday, and am still crashing the vm when serializing to a compressed fuel file. I wrote about it at the time, and then gave up as the vm was less stable during that period. To reproduce the crash in a pharo6 image: |project| Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'StephanEggermont' project: 'MonticelloProjects'; package: 'MonticelloProjects'; load. project := (Smalltalk at: #MCProject) new location: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/StephanEggermont/Documentation/main'. project read. project saveToFile. That reliably crashes in saveToFile. It seems to be independent of 32/64 bit and mac/linux, as I tried some variations. Crash dumps in a mail to the vm list Stephan

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

I think that such diversity of tools is healthy and I wouldn't commit on killing anything. Projects would organically found ways of working together. Compared with other languages, I think that Pharo ecosystem is pretty cohesive. I would follow Steph's advice about choosing a theme/project and document your experience that help others to traverse such diversity instead of killing it. Cheers, Offray On 22/06/17 13:01, askoh wrote: > Norbert: > > I appreciate you explanation of Amber and PharoJS. I feel at a lost > understanding the plethora of Smalltalk + Web frameworks. Is there a place > where there is a pros and cons comparison of frameworks: > Seaside, SqueakJS, PharoJS, Amber, Caffeine, VisualWorks Appex, Illiad, > Aida, Teapot, etc? > > The sheer number of frameworks just makes it difficult for anyone to commit. > It is terrifying. Can we discuss and consolidate the best features into one > or two and kill the rest? > > All the best, > Aik-Siong Koh > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-PharoJS-tp4952267p4952361.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:41, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Thank you for the update, the original script was done for older Iceberg versions. indeed :) Esteban > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > 2017-06-25 10:38 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>>: > Hi! > >> On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:14, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com <mailto:pavel.krivanek@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> You can clone a repository with Iceberg with a script like this: >> >> target := 'pharo-core' asFileReference ensureCreateDirectory. >> repository := IceRepositoryCreator new >> remote: (IceRemote url: 'git(a)github.com <mailto:git@github.com>:pharo-project/pharo.git'); >> location: target; >> subdirectory:'src'; >> createRepository. >> repository backend checkoutBranch: 'development'. >> repository register. > > this is a bit too verbose for my taste :) > you can do the same with this (which is more or less the same, btwâ¦ just more compact) > > repository := IceRepositoryCreator new > remote: (IceRemote url: 'git(a)github.com <mailto:git@github.com>:pharo-project/pharo.git'); > subdirectory:'src'; > createRepository. > repository checkoutBranch: 'development'. > repository register. > > - no need to violate demeters law by accessing directly to backend > - no need to specify a target location because it will put it in default place. > > :) > > Esteban > >> >> Setting of the system version is already fixed in Pharo 7. For Pharo 6 you want to do something like this: >> >> ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save "| updateString | updateString := 'tag.txt' asFileReference readStream contents allButFirst. SystemVersion classPool at: #Current put: (SystemVersion new type: 'Pharo'; major: updateString first asString asInteger; minor: updateString second asString asInteger; highestUpdate: updateString asInteger; suffix: ''; yourself)" >> >> Where tag.txt can by obtained from git by: >> git describe --tags > tag.txt >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> >> >> >> >> 2017-06-24 22:06 GMT+02:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com <mailto:akgrant0710@gmail.com>>: >> Hi Pavel, >> >> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:08:29PM +0200, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> > clone the master branch of git(a)github.com <mailto:git@github.com>:pharo-project/pharo.git and inside >> > this clone do: >> > >> > export PHARO_VERSION=60 >> > export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 >> > >> > wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm <http://get.pharo.org/$%7BPHARO_VERSION%7D+vm> | bash >> > >> > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ >> > prepare_image.st <http://prepare_image.st/> --save --quit >> > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/bootstrap.st <http://bootstrap.st/> >> > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit >> > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh >> >> >> Thanks very much for providing these instructions. >> >> It would be great to have a version of the script that used Iceberg to >> load the code and kept the repository (pharo-project/pharo in the >> example above, but normally this would be a fork of the repository). >> This would greatly facilitate creating pull requests with bug fixes. >> >> I'll try and figure out how to modify your script to do this, but if >> you're able to provide a quick answer, or even a hint, it would be much >> appreciated. >> >> Also, the version information doesn't appear to be set here, i.e.: >> >> $ pharo Pharo.image printVersion >> [version] nil.nil #0 >> >> I'll try and figure this out, but if you know, what do I need to do to >> get this set? >> >> Thanks again, >> Alistair >> >> > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

Thank you for the update, the original script was done for older Iceberg versions. Cheers, -- Pavel 2017-06-25 10:38 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi! > > On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:14, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > You can clone a repository with Iceberg with a script like this: > > target := 'pharo-core' asFileReference ensureCreateDirectory. > repository := IceRepositoryCreator new > remote: (IceRemote url: 'git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git'); > location: target; > subdirectory:'src'; > createRepository. > repository backend checkoutBranch: 'development'. > repository register. > > > this is a bit too verbose for my taste :) > you can do the same with this (which is more or less the same, btwâ¦ just > more compact) > > repository := IceRepositoryCreator new > remote: (IceRemote url: 'git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git'); > subdirectory:'src'; > createRepository. > repository checkoutBranch: 'development'. > repository register. > > - no need to violate demeters law by accessing directly to backend > - no need to specify a target location because it will put it in default > place. > > :) > > Esteban > > > Setting of the system version is already fixed in Pharo 7. For Pharo 6 you > want to do something like this: > > ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save "| updateString | updateString := > 'tag.txt' asFileReference readStream contents allButFirst. SystemVersion > classPool at: #Current put: (SystemVersion new type: 'Pharo'; major: > updateString first asString asInteger; minor: updateString second asString > asInteger; highestUpdate: updateString asInteger; suffix: ''; yourself)" > > Where tag.txt can by obtained from git by: > git describe --tags > tag.txt > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > > > > 2017-06-24 22:06 GMT+02:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com>: > >> Hi Pavel, >> >> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:08:29PM +0200, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> > clone the master branch of git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git and >> inside >> > this clone do: >> > >> > export PHARO_VERSION=60 >> > export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 >> > >> > wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm >> <http://get.pharo.org/$%7BPHARO_VERSION%7D+vm> | bash >> > >> > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ >> > prepare_image.st --save --quit >> > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ >> bootstrap.st >> > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit >> > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh >> >> >> Thanks very much for providing these instructions. >> >> It would be great to have a version of the script that used Iceberg to >> load the code and kept the repository (pharo-project/pharo in the >> example above, but normally this would be a fork of the repository). >> This would greatly facilitate creating pull requests with bug fixes. >> >> I'll try and figure out how to modify your script to do this, but if >> you're able to provide a quick answer, or even a hint, it would be much >> appreciated. >> >> Also, the version information doesn't appear to be set here, i.e.: >> >> $ pharo Pharo.image printVersion >> [version] nil.nil #0 >> >> I'll try and figure this out, but if you know, what do I need to do to >> get this set? >> >> Thanks again, >> Alistair >> >> > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:38, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi! > >> On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:14, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com <mailto:pavel.krivanek@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> You can clone a repository with Iceberg with a script like this: >> >> target := 'pharo-core' asFileReference ensureCreateDirectory. >> repository := IceRepositoryCreator new >> remote: (IceRemote url: 'git(a)github.com <mailto:git@github.com>:pharo-project/pharo.git'); >> location: target; >> subdirectory:'src'; >> createRepository. >> repository backend checkoutBranch: 'development'. >> repository register. > > this is a bit too verbose for my taste :) > you can do the same with this (which is more or less the same, btwâ¦ just more compact) > > repository := IceRepositoryCreator new > remote: (IceRemote url: 'git(a)github.com <mailto:git@github.com>:pharo-project/pharo.git'); > subdirectory:'src'; > createRepository. > repository checkoutBranch: 'development'. > repository register. Ah, and not that I think, you can also doit like this: repository := IceRepositoryCreator new url: 'git(a)github.com <mailto:git@github.com>:pharo-project/pharo.git'; subdirectory:'src'; createRepository. repository checkoutBranch: 'development'. repository register. :) > - no need to violate demeters law by accessing directly to backend > - no need to specify a target location because it will put it in default place. > > :) > > Esteban > >> >> Setting of the system version is already fixed in Pharo 7. For Pharo 6 you want to do something like this: >> >> ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save "| updateString | updateString := 'tag.txt' asFileReference readStream contents allButFirst. SystemVersion classPool at: #Current put: (SystemVersion new type: 'Pharo'; major: updateString first asString asInteger; minor: updateString second asString asInteger; highestUpdate: updateString asInteger; suffix: ''; yourself)" >> >> Where tag.txt can by obtained from git by: >> git describe --tags > tag.txt >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> >> >> >> >> 2017-06-24 22:06 GMT+02:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com <mailto:akgrant0710@gmail.com>>: >> Hi Pavel, >> >> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:08:29PM +0200, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> > clone the master branch of git(a)github.com <mailto:git@github.com>:pharo-project/pharo.git and inside >> > this clone do: >> > >> > export PHARO_VERSION=60 >> > export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 >> > >> > wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm <http://get.pharo.org/$%7BPHARO_VERSION%7D+vm> | bash >> > >> > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ >> > prepare_image.st <http://prepare_image.st/> --save --quit >> > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/bootstrap.st <http://bootstrap.st/> >> > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit >> > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh >> >> >> Thanks very much for providing these instructions. >> >> It would be great to have a version of the script that used Iceberg to >> load the code and kept the repository (pharo-project/pharo in the >> example above, but normally this would be a fork of the repository). >> This would greatly facilitate creating pull requests with bug fixes. >> >> I'll try and figure out how to modify your script to do this, but if >> you're able to provide a quick answer, or even a hint, it would be much >> appreciated. >> >> Also, the version information doesn't appear to be set here, i.e.: >> >> $ pharo Pharo.image printVersion >> [version] nil.nil #0 >> >> I'll try and figure this out, but if you know, what do I need to do to >> get this set? >> >> Thanks again, >> Alistair >> >> >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi! > On 25 Jun 2017, at 10:14, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > You can clone a repository with Iceberg with a script like this: > > target := 'pharo-core' asFileReference ensureCreateDirectory. > repository := IceRepositoryCreator new > remote: (IceRemote url: 'git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git'); > location: target; > subdirectory:'src'; > createRepository. > repository backend checkoutBranch: 'development'. > repository register. this is a bit too verbose for my taste :) you can do the same with this (which is more or less the same, btwâ¦ just more compact) repository := IceRepositoryCreator new remote: (IceRemote url: 'git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git'); subdirectory:'src'; createRepository. repository checkoutBranch: 'development'. repository register. - no need to violate demeters law by accessing directly to backend - no need to specify a target location because it will put it in default place. :) Esteban > > Setting of the system version is already fixed in Pharo 7. For Pharo 6 you want to do something like this: > > ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save "| updateString | updateString := 'tag.txt' asFileReference readStream contents allButFirst. SystemVersion classPool at: #Current put: (SystemVersion new type: 'Pharo'; major: updateString first asString asInteger; minor: updateString second asString asInteger; highestUpdate: updateString asInteger; suffix: ''; yourself)" > > Where tag.txt can by obtained from git by: > git describe --tags > tag.txt > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > > > > > 2017-06-24 22:06 GMT+02:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com <mailto:akgrant0710@gmail.com>>: > Hi Pavel, > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:08:29PM +0200, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > > clone the master branch of git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git and inside > > this clone do: > > > > export PHARO_VERSION=60 > > export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 > > > > wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm <http://get.pharo.org/$%7BPHARO_VERSION%7D+vm> | bash > > > > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ > > prepare_image.st <http://prepare_image.st/> --save --quit > > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/bootstrap.st <http://bootstrap.st/> > > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit > > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh > > > Thanks very much for providing these instructions. > > It would be great to have a version of the script that used Iceberg to > load the code and kept the repository (pharo-project/pharo in the > example above, but normally this would be a fork of the repository). > This would greatly facilitate creating pull requests with bug fixes. > > I'll try and figure out how to modify your script to do this, but if > you're able to provide a quick answer, or even a hint, it would be much > appreciated. > > Also, the version information doesn't appear to be set here, i.e.: > > $ pharo Pharo.image printVersion > [version] nil.nil #0 > > I'll try and figure this out, but if you know, what do I need to do to > get this set? > > Thanks again, > Alistair > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

You can clone a repository with Iceberg with a script like this: target := 'pharo-core' asFileReference ensureCreateDirectory. repository := IceRepositoryCreator new remote: (IceRemote url: 'git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git'); location: target; subdirectory:'src'; createRepository. repository backend checkoutBranch: 'development'. repository register. Setting of the system version is already fixed in Pharo 7. For Pharo 6 you want to do something like this: ./pharo Pharo.image eval --save "| updateString | updateString := 'tag.txt' asFileReference readStream contents allButFirst. SystemVersion classPool at: #Current put: (SystemVersion new type: 'Pharo'; major: updateString first asString asInteger; minor: updateString second asString asInteger; highestUpdate: updateString asInteger; suffix: ''; yourself)" Where tag.txt can by obtained from git by: git describe --tags > tag.txt Cheers, -- Pavel 2017-06-24 22:06 GMT+02:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Pavel, > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:08:29PM +0200, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > > clone the master branch of git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git and > inside > > this clone do: > > > > export PHARO_VERSION=60 > > export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 > > > > wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm | bash > > > > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ > > prepare_image.st --save --quit > > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ > bootstrap.st > > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit > > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh > > > Thanks very much for providing these instructions. > > It would be great to have a version of the script that used Iceberg to > load the code and kept the repository (pharo-project/pharo in the > example above, but normally this would be a fork of the repository). > This would greatly facilitate creating pull requests with bug fixes. > > I'll try and figure out how to modify your script to do this, but if > you're able to provide a quick answer, or even a hint, it would be much > appreciated. > > Also, the version information doesn't appear to be set here, i.e.: > > $ pharo Pharo.image printVersion > [version] nil.nil #0 > > I'll try and figure this out, but if you know, what do I need to do to > get this set? > > Thanks again, > Alistair > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi Hilaire, I tried to play a little bit with that. As the first step please check that Dr. Geo can be loaded properly into the standard Pharo 6 image with the package Deprecated60 unloaded. The Dr. Geo uses some deprecated calls and this package is not present in the smaller images. Cheers, -- Pavel 2017-06-24 10:29 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Hi Pavel, > > Le 24/06/2017 Ã 09:35, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > > The question is what is your goal because the bootstrapped image will > > I want to build an image for DrGeo which is not 60MB. (the size I have > now on my P6 dev image for Dr. Geo) > > Until now, DrGeo was installed then unecessary packages removed. With > the first Pharo release, DrGeo image was around 10MB, in the latest > DrGeo release (based on P3), its image is more than 20MB. > > For P6, if possible, I would like to use the bootstrap process > > > have in the end (almost) the same content as the default > > non-bootstrapped image. > > You probably want to change the content of the produced image wich > > requires to modify the related baselines and do not load them all. For > > Dr Geo you will probably want to start with the BaselineOfMorphic > > however you will probably need a lot of custom modifications. > > > I don't know... May be we can take Dr. Geo as an excuse to see step by > step how to do it. If we succeed I could document it so it may be useful > to other. > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

June 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Alistair Grant

Hi Pavel, On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 10:08:29PM +0200, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > clone the master branch of git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git and inside > this clone do: > > export PHARO_VERSION=60 > export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 > > wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm | bash > > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ > prepare_image.st --save --quit > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/bootstrap.st > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh Thanks very much for providing these instructions. It would be great to have a version of the script that used Iceberg to load the code and kept the repository (pharo-project/pharo in the example above, but normally this would be a fork of the repository). This would greatly facilitate creating pull requests with bug fixes. I'll try and figure out how to modify your script to do this, but if you're able to provide a quick answer, or even a hint, it would be much appreciated. Also, the version information doesn't appear to be set here, i.e.: $ pharo Pharo.image printVersion [version] nil.nil #0 I'll try and figure this out, but if you know, what do I need to do to get this set? Thanks again, Alistair

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by andrew glynn

Thanks, it had occurred to me to take a look at the other drivers in Garage - been a bit busy though so might not get to it until tomorrow. Andrew Glynn ________________________________ From: Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 8:19 PM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:48:56AM +0800, Ben Coman wrote: > @anyone, If Andrew can get a proof of concept working, what are the best > frameworks for it to work with? Write the Oracle set-oriented driver according to UDBC convention. Then, write a Glorp ORM driver based on it. The Pharo version of Glorp already has OraclePlatform, which comes from the VW upstream and presumably works, so it can be used as a reference. There's also Garage which also suppors Glorp. All are available in the Catalogue Browser. STH search shows a project named Garage-Oracle by CraigAllen but 'the page does not exist, sadly.' Pierce

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by Stephane Ducasse

Askoh As soon as we will say something somene else will not be happy so I will comment on this. Now let us look at the trajectory: - Pharo is moving super fast - Daily improving - Large set of frameworks - Many companies SHARING bricks (Zinc, Mustache, Mustaside, ... and many many more). So pick up a topic you like or that you think you can make money and just come to have fun with us and doing so you will learn. This way you can also build your future. You see the actions that you do today and that open paths for tomorrow. THERE IS A ***HUGE*** difference between open community and source like Pharo and close source. Pharo is alive, kicking and it will continue. With git support Pharo will make a huge visibility credibility and community sharing step. We have a long list of super cool improvement in the pipe. Just join. Stef On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:01 PM, askoh <askoh(a)askoh.com> wrote: > Norbert: > > I appreciate you explanation of Amber and PharoJS. I feel at a lost > understanding the plethora of Smalltalk + Web frameworks. Is there a place > where there is a pros and cons comparison of frameworks: > Seaside, SqueakJS, PharoJS, Amber, Caffeine, VisualWorks Appex, Illiad, > Aida, Teapot, etc? > > The sheer number of frameworks just makes it difficult for anyone to commit. > It is terrifying. Can we discuss and consolidate the best features into one > or two and kill the rest? > > All the best, > Aik-Siong Koh > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-PharoJS-tp4952267p4952361.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Stephane Ducasse

Supercool Norbert do you have screenshot for the Pharo success web page ? On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 2:40 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > I'm sorry I forgot to post this much earlier. Anywayâ¦. > > We are proud to add another success story to the pharo portfolio > > http://zweidenker.de/en/project/operationstermine-digitalisiert > > It is an operation planning tool for an eye surgery clinic. The core system > is pharo4 and voyage (using mongo). The user interface is done with seaside. > It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange > and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. > The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still > time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed > by the staff. > > This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. > > Implanting more pharo everywhere :) > > Norbert >

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Ok, I executed these statements. It seems to do its jobs just fine, I request for a 64bits architecture. What's next? Thanks Hilaire Le 23/06/2017 Ã 22:08, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences > ./bootstrap/scripts/prepare_image.st <http://prepare_image.st> --save --quit > ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences > ./bootstrap/scripts/bootstrap.st <http://bootstrap.st> > --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit > bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Looks like one should use the bellow command for anonymous clone: git clone https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo.git The command you provided required uploading public rsa key Le 24/06/2017 Ã 09:29, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > git > clone git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 24 Jun 2017, at 10:03, Attila Magyar <m.magyar3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> (In regular mail, I don't see you code snippet, I copy it here). > > > Hmm, maybe because of the raw text tags. Is this visible? > > Transcript > show: 'Hello world'; > cr. Yes, that we can see in the regular ML. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952503.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by Attila Magyar

Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'zeroflag' project: 'Teapot'; configuration; loadDevelopment. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952507.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by horrido

Okay, I should've asked, how do I get the development version? horrido wrote > Are you referring to ConfigurationOfTeapot? I presume it's not loaded by > your instruction: > > Gofer it > smalltalkhubUser: 'zeroflag' project: 'Teapot'; > configuration; > loadStable. > > So how do I load it? > > Attila Magyar wrote >> Teapot uses ZnServer defaultServerClass by default, but you can configure >> Teapot to use other kind of ZnServers like this. >> >> This is available only in the latest development version. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952506.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by horrido

Are you referring to ConfigurationOfTeapot? I presume it's not loaded by your instruction: Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'zeroflag' project: 'Teapot'; configuration; loadStable. So how do I load it? Attila Magyar wrote > Teapot uses ZnServer defaultServerClass by default, but you can configure > Teapot to use other kind of ZnServers like this. > > This is available only in the latest development version. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952505.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Hi Pavel, Le 24/06/2017 Ã 09:35, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > The question is what is your goal because the bootstrapped image will I want to build an image for DrGeo which is not 60MB. (the size I have now on my P6 dev image for Dr. Geo) Until now, DrGeo was installed then unecessary packages removed. With the first Pharo release, DrGeo image was around 10MB, in the latest DrGeo release (based on P3), its image is more than 20MB. For P6, if possible, I would like to use the bootstrap process > have in the end (almost) the same content as the default > non-bootstrapped image. > You probably want to change the content of the produced image wich > requires to modify the related baselines and do not load them all. For > Dr Geo you will probably want to start with the BaselineOfMorphic > however you will probably need a lot of custom modifications. I don't know... May be we can take Dr. Geo as an excuse to see step by step how to do it. If we succeed I could document it so it may be useful to other. -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 24 Jun 2017, at 09:26, Attila Magyar <m.magyar3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Teapot uses ZnServer defaultServerClass by default, but you can configure > Teapot to use other kind of ZnServers like this. > > > > This is available only in the latest development version. That's very nice. Thanks for the reply, Attila. (In regular mail, I don't see you code snippet, I copy it here). secureServer := (ZnSecureServer on: 1443) certificate: '/path/to/keypair'; logToTranscript; yourself. teapot := Teapot configure: { #znServer -> secureServer }. teapot GET: '/test' -> 'secure'; start. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952501.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by Attila Magyar

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > (In regular mail, I don't see you code snippet, I copy it here). Hmm, maybe because of the raw text tags. Is this visible? Transcript show: 'Hello world'; cr. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952503.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

The question is what is your goal because the bootstrapped image will have in the end (almost) the same content as the default non-bootstrapped image. You probably want to change the content of the produced image wich requires to modify the related baselines and do not load them all. For Dr Geo you will probably want to start with the BaselineOfMorphic however you will probably need a lot of custom modifications. -- Pavel 2017-06-24 9:07 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Just to be sure, it is to build an image from a mini-image, right? So > to get a fairly small Dr. Geo image. > > Le 24/06/2017 Ã 09:00, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > > Thanks, > > > > Can you key in the exact sequence to clone the git repo, I am not used > > to GIT yet. > > > > Hilaire > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

git clone git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git 2017-06-24 9:00 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Thanks, > > Can you key in the exact sequence to clone the git repo, I am not used > to GIT yet. > > Hilaire > > Le 23/06/2017 Ã 22:08, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > > clone the master branch of > > git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git and > > inside this clone do: > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by Attila Magyar

Teapot uses ZnServer defaultServerClass by default, but you can configure Teapot to use other kind of ZnServers like this. This is available only in the latest development version. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952501.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Just to be sure, it is to build an image from a mini-image, right? So to get a fairly small Dr. Geo image. Le 24/06/2017 Ã 09:00, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > Thanks, > > Can you key in the exact sequence to clone the git repo, I am not used > to GIT yet. > > Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Thanks, Can you key in the exact sequence to clone the git repo, I am not used to GIT yet. Hilaire Le 23/06/2017 Ã 22:08, Pavel Krivanek a Ã©crit : > clone the master branch of > git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git and > inside this clone do: > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Glass] How do you develop for gemstone in open source tools (pharo)?

by Tudor Girba

Hi, gt4gemstone is indeed a new project. The initial target of gt4gemstone is actually to support scenario 3). In this situation, even if you develop in Pharo, once you deploy your application you still want to be able to inspect/debug GemStone. In this situation, you want to have the same experience as you do in Pharo, including the extensions to the tools. Indeed, the project also contains an initial code browser (including senders/implementors) and its first target to support quick code modifications. Of course, that browser can evolve and this can lead to a full fledged experience of completely developing remotely from Pharo to GemStone. Calypso is indeed a very interesting project, but at the moment it is Pharo specific. One thing Andrei did in gt4gemstone is serialize the Glamour presentations and browsers. This is quite powerful and fast and adds another argument to the idea that browsers should be built mostly declarative. One direction we brainstormed about with Denis is to learn from the experience of both gt4gemstone and Calypso and find a common ground. But, this is future work. Cheers, Doru > On Jun 23, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Petr Fischer via Glass <glass(a)lists.gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > Hello, I'm curious how _comfortably_ develop software for Gemstone, which is the preferred/best way (and future)? > > 1) tODE - OK, a decent amount of work was inserted to it to make it work somehow. Decent tools with git support, a lot of windows (autolayouting required), very basic inspector, based on obsolete Pharo3, no autocomplete, weird auto code formating etc. :( > Will the development continue (better inspectors, autocomplete, etc)? > > 2) gt4gemstone - new project based on GT tools, great playground/workspace/inspectors, running in latest Pharo, but again, just basic browser, no autocompletion, no syntax coloring (so far), but modern way > What is the plan? Write proper class browser and code editor again from scratch? > There is amazing new browser for Pharo, Calypso, which has remote browsing capabilities (but probably different remoting/proxy layer than gt tools) - is possible to utilize this project for remote Gemstone browsing in future? > > 3) develop in Pharo, then deploy to Gemstone > With some compatibility layers, there is possibility to develop application/business logic in Pharo (with bare collections, dicts, containers etc.) and then deploy code to Gemstone and test. Nice scenario, latest modern dev tools (browsers, inspectors, versioning) from Pharo, but on the dev side in Pharo, no transaction logic (test transaction logic with junit impossible/not available etc.), also not compatible class library - so also with drawbacks with different Smalltalk implementation chaos :( > I would very much like to get involved with Gemstone dev, but it scratches a bit now. > > > Hi Hi Petr, > > I personally do 3). I like developing on Pharo and keep doing that on each latest stable release. And yeah, you must have some compatibility layers, you must keep a ConfigurationOf working on both platforms, different class libraries (files, etc), etc. This takes time at the beginning, but then it gets easier and easier. I still use tODE for evaluating code (workspace), browsing GemStone specific code (browser), debug (stored continuations), and for developing the GemStone specific code. > > > 4) > > I think you made a good summary. In all those cases, you still consider GemStone like both things, the language interpreter PLUS the persistency. There is one last approach which uses GemStone mostly only for "persistence". In this scenario you would use GemStone similarly to what you do with a normal relational DB, that is, you open a connection, then do something. Dale went a bit further and developed a simple Voyage kind of API with this idea in mind. Anyway, below are some interesting links. > > > [0] https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/articles/gsDevKitSer… > [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/Tugrik > > [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/voyage > > [3] http://www.slideshare.net/esug/tugrik-a-new-persistence-option-for-pharo > > > > Thanks! pf > _______________________________________________ > Glass mailing list > Glass(a)lists.gemtalksystems.com > http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at them."

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by horrido

Okay, I think I understand. There are two server instances, one for http and one for https. How do I get Teapot to use the one for https??? horrido wrote > I discovered that I skipped an important step in creating the SSL cert. > HTTPS is now working. However, for some reason, it's not finding my Teapot > routes. The route that worked in http://localhost:1701/login, for example, > no longer works in https://localhost:1443/login. I'm investigating... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952493.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by horrido

I discovered that I skipped an important step in creating the SSL cert. HTTPS is now working. However, for some reason, it's not finding my Teapot routes. The route that worked in http://localhost:1701/login, for example, no longer works in https://localhost:1443/login. I'm investigating... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952492.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Pierce Ng

On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:48:56AM +0800, Ben Coman wrote: > @anyone, If Andrew can get a proof of concept working, what are the best > frameworks for it to work with? Write the Oracle set-oriented driver according to UDBC convention. Then, write a Glorp ORM driver based on it. The Pharo version of Glorp already has OraclePlatform, which comes from the VW upstream and presumably works, so it can be used as a reference. There's also Garage which also suppors Glorp. All are available in the Catalogue Browser. STH search shows a project named Garage-Oracle by CraigAllen but 'the page does not exist, sadly.' Pierce

June 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 23 Jun 2017, at 23:39, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I get an "SSL Exception: accept failed [code:-5]" error. Is it because I have > a self-signed cert? > > Apparently, it's failing on: > > result := self sslSession accept: in from: 1 to: count into: out. Platform ? Pharo version ? It also depends on how you made the certificate. Note that not all browsers like self-signed certificates. It should work on Linux. This is how I once did it (making the certificate), in 2013-2014 (I know that others have managed to do this too): ==== sven@netbook:~/ssl$ openssl genrsa -out privkey.pem 1024 Generating RSA private key, 1024 bit long modulus ..........................................................++++++ .++++++ e is 65537 (0x10001) sven@netbook:~/ssl$ openssl req -new -key privkey.pem -out certreq.csr You are about to be asked to enter information that will be incorporated into your certificate request. What you are about to enter is what is called a Distinguished Name or a DN. There are quite a few fields but you can leave some blank For some fields there will be a default value, If you enter '.', the field will be left blank. ----- Country Name (2 letter code) [AU]:BE State or Province Name (full name) [Some-State]: Locality Name (eg, city) []:Hasselt Organization Name (eg, company) [Internet Widgits Pty Ltd]:STfx.eu Organizational Unit Name (eg, section) []: Common Name (e.g. server FQDN or YOUR name) []:Sven Van Caekenberghe Email Address []:sven@stfx.eu Please enter the following 'extra' attributes to be sent with your certificate request A challenge password []: An optional company name []: sven@netbook:~/ssl$ ls certreq.csr privkey.pem sven@netbook:~/ssl$ openssl x509 -req -days 3650 -in certreq.csr -signkey privkey.pem -out newcert.pem Signature ok subject=/C=BE/ST=Some-State/L=Hasselt/O=STfx.eu/CN=Sven Van Caekenberghe/emailAddress=sven(a)stfx.eu Getting Private key sven@netbook:~/ssl$ ( openssl x509 -in newcert.pem; cat privkey.pem ) > server.pem (ZnSecureServer on: 1443) certificate: '/home/sven/ssl/server.pem'; logToTranscript; start; yourself. ==== > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> Hi, >> >>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 20:41, horrido < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> Okay, so I have my nice little Teapot app, but I'd like to run it as >>> HTTPS. >>> As far as I can understand, to do this I must go through Zinc. However, >>> the >>> docs on the web seem rather out of date. For example, I do not have >>> ZnZincServerAdapter (in Pharo 5.0). >> >> ZnZincServerAdapter is specific for Seaside. >> >>> In the simplest terms, how do I support HTTPS? (I've created my >>> self-signed cert.) >> >> (ZnSecureServer on: 1443) >> certificate: '/home/sven/ssl/key-cert.pem'; >> logToTranscript; >> start; >> yourself. >> >> I don't know how Teapot is implemented, but it uses Zinc, so somehow it >> will work. You should figure where/how it creates/starts its ZnServer. >> >> Note that this might not run on every platform (it depends on the SSL >> plugin, I know Linux used to work). >> >> Sven >> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952476.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by horrido

This is on my Raspberry Pi running the latest Raspbian. I'm using Pharo 5.0. The browser is Firefox. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 23 Jun 2017, at 23:39, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> I get an "SSL Exception: accept failed [code:-5]" error. Is it because I >> have >> a self-signed cert? >> >> Apparently, it's failing on: >> >> result := self sslSession accept: in from: 1 to: count into: out. > > Platform ? Pharo version ? > > It also depends on how you made the certificate. Note that not all > browsers like self-signed certificates. > > It should work on Linux. This is how I once did it (making the > certificate), in 2013-2014 (I know that others have managed to do this > too): > > ==== > > sven@netbook:~/ssl$ openssl genrsa -out privkey.pem 1024 > Generating RSA private key, 1024 bit long modulus > ..........................................................++++++ > .++++++ > e is 65537 (0x10001) > sven@netbook:~/ssl$ openssl req -new -key privkey.pem -out certreq.csr > You are about to be asked to enter information that will be incorporated > into your certificate request. > What you are about to enter is what is called a Distinguished Name or a > DN. > There are quite a few fields but you can leave some blank > For some fields there will be a default value, > If you enter '.', the field will be left blank. > ----- > Country Name (2 letter code) [AU]:BE > State or Province Name (full name) [Some-State]: > Locality Name (eg, city) []:Hasselt > Organization Name (eg, company) [Internet Widgits Pty Ltd]:STfx.eu > Organizational Unit Name (eg, section) []: > Common Name (e.g. server FQDN or YOUR name) []:Sven Van Caekenberghe > Email Address []: > sven@ > > Please enter the following 'extra' attributes > to be sent with your certificate request > A challenge password []: > An optional company name []: > sven@netbook:~/ssl$ ls > certreq.csr privkey.pem > sven@netbook:~/ssl$ openssl x509 -req -days 3650 -in certreq.csr -signkey > privkey.pem -out newcert.pem > Signature ok > subject=/C=BE/ST=Some-State/L=Hasselt/O=STfx.eu/CN=Sven Van > Caekenberghe/emailAddress= > sven@ > Getting Private key > sven@netbook:~/ssl$ ( openssl x509 -in newcert.pem; cat privkey.pem ) > > server.pem > > > > (ZnSecureServer on: 1443) > certificate: '/home/sven/ssl/server.pem'; > logToTranscript; > start; > yourself. > > ==== > >> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >>> Hi, >>> >>>> On 23 Jun 2017, at 20:41, horrido < >> >>> horrido.hobbies@ >> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay, so I have my nice little Teapot app, but I'd like to run it as >>>> HTTPS. >>>> As far as I can understand, to do this I must go through Zinc. However, >>>> the >>>> docs on the web seem rather out of date. For example, I do not have >>>> ZnZincServerAdapter (in Pharo 5.0). >>> >>> ZnZincServerAdapter is specific for Seaside. >>> >>>> In the simplest terms, how do I support HTTPS? (I've created my >>>> self-signed cert.) >>> >>> (ZnSecureServer on: 1443) >>> certificate: '/home/sven/ssl/key-cert.pem'; >>> logToTranscript; >>> start; >>> yourself. >>> >>> I don't know how Teapot is implemented, but it uses Zinc, so somehow it >>> will work. You should figure where/how it creates/starts its ZnServer. >>> >>> Note that this might not run on every platform (it depends on the SSL >>> plugin, I know Linux used to work). >>> >>> Sven >>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: >>>> http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952476.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952478.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by horrido

I get an "SSL Exception: accept failed [code:-5]" error. Is it because I have a self-signed cert? Apparently, it's failing on: result := self sslSession accept: in from: 1 to: count into: out. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Hi, > >> On 23 Jun 2017, at 20:41, horrido < > horrido.hobbies@ > > wrote: >> >> Okay, so I have my nice little Teapot app, but I'd like to run it as >> HTTPS. >> As far as I can understand, to do this I must go through Zinc. However, >> the >> docs on the web seem rather out of date. For example, I do not have >> ZnZincServerAdapter (in Pharo 5.0). > > ZnZincServerAdapter is specific for Seaside. > >> In the simplest terms, how do I support HTTPS? (I've created my >> self-signed cert.) > > (ZnSecureServer on: 1443) > certificate: '/home/sven/ssl/key-cert.pem'; > logToTranscript; > start; > yourself. > > I don't know how Teapot is implemented, but it uses Zinc, so somehow it > will work. You should figure where/how it creates/starts its ZnServer. > > Note that this might not run on every platform (it depends on the SSL > plugin, I know Linux used to work). > > Sven > >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461p4952476.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi, > On 23 Jun 2017, at 20:41, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Okay, so I have my nice little Teapot app, but I'd like to run it as HTTPS. > As far as I can understand, to do this I must go through Zinc. However, the > docs on the web seem rather out of date. For example, I do not have > ZnZincServerAdapter (in Pharo 5.0). ZnZincServerAdapter is specific for Seaside. > In the simplest terms, how do I support HTTPS? (I've created my self-signed cert.) (ZnSecureServer on: 1443) certificate: '/home/sven/ssl/key-cert.pem'; logToTranscript; start; yourself. I don't know how Teapot is implemented, but it uses Zinc, so somehow it will work. You should figure where/how it creates/starts its ZnServer. Note that this might not run on every platform (it depends on the SSL plugin, I know Linux used to work). Sven > Thanks. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Pavel Krivanek

clone the master branch of git@github.com:pharo-project/pharo.git and inside this clone do: export PHARO_VERSION=60 export BOOTSTRAP_ARCH=32 wget -O - get.pharo.org/${PHARO_VERSION}+vm | bash ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ prepare_image.st --save --quit ./pharo Pharo.image --no-default-preferences ./bootstrap/scripts/ bootstrap.st --ARCH=${BOOTSTRAP_ARCH} --quit bash ./bootstrap/scripts/build.sh 2017-06-23 21:12 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Hi, > > I want to build a Pharo6 image from scratch for Dr. Geo. How to do it? > > Thanks > > Hilaire > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

June 23, 2017

Pharo6 bootstrap how to

by Hilaire

Hi, I want to build a Pharo6 image from scratch for Dr. Geo. How to do it? Thanks Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 23, 2017

How to use HTTPS (SSL) with Zinc

by horrido

Okay, so I have my nice little Teapot app, but I'd like to run it as HTTPS. As far as I can understand, to do this I must go through Zinc. However, the docs on the web seem rather out of date. For example, I do not have ZnZincServerAdapter (in Pharo 5.0). In the simplest terms, how do I support HTTPS? (I've created my self-signed cert.) Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-use-HTTPS-SSL-with-Zinc-tp4952461.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Ben Coman

Pharo doesn't support C++ directly because of issues with name mangling. For C++ you need something like SWIG. See Ronie's insightful comments here... http://forum.world.st/SWIG-for-Native-Boost-FFI-td4738511.html However OCILIB describes itself as "written in pure ISO C99 code" which is much better for us. A demonstrated working connection would be great. @anyone, If Andrew can get a proof of concept working, what are the best frameworks for it to work with? cheers -ben On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 12:25 AM, andrew glynn <aglynn42(a)outlook.com> wrote: > It occurred to me that with the C++ support in Pharo 6 it might be > relatively easy to use this driver https://github.com/vrogier/ocilib to > connect to Oracle. I will look into it over the weekend. > > > > Andrew Glynn > > > > >

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by andrew glynn

It occurred to me that with the C++ support in Pharo 6 it might be relatively easy to use this driver https://github.com/vrogier/ocilib to connect to Oracle. I will look into it over the weekend. Andrew Glynn From: Norbert Hartl [mailto:norbert@hartl.name] Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 11:07 AM To: Pharo users users Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised Am 22.06.2017 um 17:43 schrieb Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com<mailto:btc@openinworld.com>>: On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name<mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed by the staff. This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. Implanting more pharo everywhere :) Great to hear of your success here. There must be a massive market like this... "Unfortunately XXX didn't offer a proper interface, so we had to dive into the depths of their data base for reverse engineering, to be able to reconstruct functionalities" and if Pharo's liveness helped in this reverse engineering, that would make a great marketing blog post fro you and Pharo... "How a niche language gives us the superpowers to do what others can't." hehe... Indeed the market is huge. Pharo was of help here but would have been a huge help if an oracle driver would have been existed. The biggest problem so far is that it seems they managed to get mixed character encoding in their database. That is close to impossible to solve. Norbert

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 22.06.2017 um 14:45 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > >> >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:40, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> >> I'm sorry I forgot to post this much earlier. Anywayâ¦. >> >> We are proud to add another success story to the pharo portfolio >> >> http://zweidenker.de/en/project/operationstermine-digitalisiert >> >> It is an operation planning tool for an eye surgery clinic. The core system is pharo4 and voyage (using mongo). The user interface is done with seaside. It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed by the staff. > > Very nice, well done ! > >> This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. > > Yes, what's up with the hipster photographs at http://zweidenker.de/en/about-us <http://zweidenker.de/en/about-us> ? > Just kidding, nice website ! > thanks! Norbert >> Implanting more pharo everywhere :) >> >> Norbert

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 22.06.2017 um 17:43 schrieb Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: > It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed by the staff. > > This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. > > Implanting more pharo everywhere :) > > Great to hear of your success here. > > There must be a massive market like this... "Unfortunately XXX didn't offer a proper interface, so we had to dive into the depths of their data base for reverse engineering, to be able to reconstruct functionalities" > and if Pharo's liveness helped in this reverse engineering, that would make a great marketing blog post fro you and Pharo... "How a niche language gives us the superpowers to do what others can't." hehe... > Indeed the market is huge. Pharo was of help here but would have been a huge help if an oracle driver would have been existed. The biggest problem so far is that it seems they managed to get mixed character encoding in their database. That is close to impossible to solve. Norbert

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoCloud drops VM hosting and focuses on Ephemeric Cloud

by Ð®ÑÐ¸Ð¹ ÐÐ¸ÑÐ¾Ð½ÐµÐ½ÐºÐ¾

I have a feeling that I miss something. As far as I remember, Ephemerics have no possibility to store anything permanently. So is it for static applications only? 2017-06-09 1:59 GMT+03:00 mikefilonov <mikefilonov(a)gmail.com>: > Hello, > > I just wanted to make some clarifications on what is going on with > PharoCloud and how I see the future of the project. > > PharoCloud is not closing, but just dropping VM hosting support. We will > continue to develop and maintain Ephemeric Cloud which allows you to > publish > Pharo web applications online much easier than any other VM hosting can > offer. In some way PharoCloud just becomes more "cloudy" by dropping > outdated technologies off :) > > Our plan is to make the project more community oriented. We integrated > PharoCloud with Pharo.org SSO and provide *FREE* access to all *Pharo > Association* members. You are welcome to log in to the cloud with your > Pharo > Association account at: > > https://www.pharocloud.com/manager/connect > > We are encouraging you to migrate your applications hosted as Pharocloud > VMs > to the Ephemeric Cloud. It is much more simple! We have some positive > experience already. There are some examples I moved from VM hosting to > Ephemeric Cloud: > > http://pharo.pharocloud.com > http://seaside31.swarm.pharocloud.com/ > http://eph-b147b6e2.swarm.pharocloud.com/ > http://smalltalk.mikefilonov.ru/ > > Here you can find a quick start guide to Ephemeric cloud and some tips on > how to publish your app: > http://docs.swarm.pharocloud.com/article/getting_started > > Also there is a REST API you can use to manage the cloud. And there is also > a Pharo wrapper around the REST-API: > http://docs.swarm.pharocloud.com/article/pharo_library_reference > > We also have video guides: > quickstart (sorry for old UI of the manager) > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1GfuT9M4qo > curl example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dKBCpj96cU > > In case of any questions or issues with images, please feel free to contact > me. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ > PharoCloud-drops-VM-hosting-and-focuses-on-Ephemeric-Cloud-tp4950562.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Glass] How do you develop for gemstone in open source tools (pharo)?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Petr Fischer via Glass < glass(a)lists.gemtalksystems.com> wrote: > Hello, I'm curious how _comfortably_ develop software for Gemstone, which > is the preferred/best way (and future)? > > 1) tODE - OK, a decent amount of work was inserted to it to make it work > somehow. Decent tools with git support, a lot of windows (autolayouting > required), very basic inspector, based on obsolete Pharo3, no autocomplete, > weird auto code formating etc. :( > Will the development continue (better inspectors, autocomplete, etc)? > > 2) gt4gemstone - new project based on GT tools, great > playground/workspace/inspectors, running in latest Pharo, but again, just > basic browser, no autocompletion, no syntax coloring (so far), but modern > way > What is the plan? Write proper class browser and code editor again from > scratch? > There is amazing new browser for Pharo, Calypso, which has remote browsing > capabilities (but probably different remoting/proxy layer than gt tools) - > is possible to utilize this project for remote Gemstone browsing in future? > > 3) develop in Pharo, then deploy to Gemstone > With some compatibility layers, there is possibility to develop > application/business logic in Pharo (with bare collections, dicts, > containers etc.) and then deploy code to Gemstone and test. Nice scenario, > latest modern dev tools (browsers, inspectors, versioning) from Pharo, but > on the dev side in Pharo, no transaction logic (test transaction logic with > junit impossible/not available etc.), also not compatible class library - > so also with drawbacks with different Smalltalk implementation chaos :( > I would very much like to get involved with Gemstone dev, but it scratches > a bit now. > > Hi Hi Petr, I personally do 3). I like developing on Pharo and keep doing that on each latest stable release. And yeah, you must have some compatibility layers, you must keep a ConfigurationOf working on both platforms, different class libraries (files, etc), etc. This takes time at the beginning, but then it gets easier and easier. I still use tODE for evaluating code (workspace), browsing GemStone specific code (browser), debug (stored continuations), and for developing the GemStone specific code. 4) I think you made a good summary. In all those cases, you still consider GemStone like both things, the language interpreter PLUS the persistency. There is one last approach which uses GemStone mostly only for "persistence". In this scenario you would use GemStone similarly to what you do with a normal relational DB, that is, you open a connection, then do something. Dale went a bit further and developed a simple Voyage kind of API with this idea in mind. Anyway, below are some interesting links. [0] https://github.com/GsDevKit/gsDevKitHome/blob/dev/docs/articles/gsDevKitSer… [1] https://github.com/dalehenrich/Tugrik [2] https://github.com/dalehenrich/voyage [3] http://www.slideshare.net/esug/tugrik-a-new-persistence-option-for-pharo > Thanks! pf > _______________________________________________ > Glass mailing list > Glass(a)lists.gemtalksystems.com > http://lists.gemtalksystems.com/mailman/listinfo/glass > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

June 23, 2017

[ANN] Pharo Sprint June 30

by Marcus Denker

Hi! Next Friday, June 30 will be the next Pharo Sprint! It will start 10:00am. (Local Time Paris). For more infos, see: https://association.pharo.org/event-2492492 Marcus

June 23, 2017

Ideas for TechTalks wanted

by Marcus Denker

Hi! We need to setup the dates and topics for the next tech talks, they are always the last tuesday of the month. We have two kinds: -> presentation of a demo with youtube live, then Q&A (one person talks) -> More open discussion just on Discord with Audio Chat about a topic (one person started and guides a discussion) We need topic ideas and people who take the lead role for the second part of the year (August to December). Marcus

June 23, 2017

Techtalk June 27 postponed to July 25

by Marcus Denker

Hi, As too many people can not take part next week Tuesday, we decided to move the Pharo6/Pharo7 roundtable to July 25. https://association.pharo.org/event-2492469 <https://association.pharo.org/event-2492469> Marcus

June 23, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] How do you develop for gemstone in open source tools (pharo)?

by itlists＠schrievkrom.de

Hello, several ways to do programming under Gemstone. I personally use Jade (under Linux using WINE) the whole time. No support for git, but following the traditional browser concept of Smalltalk. Still missing some development point and has limitation - but for the traditional developer a fast lane into Gemstone/S Marten Am 22.06.2017 um 23:16 schrieb Petr Fischer: > Hello, I'm curious how _comfortably_ develop software for Gemstone, which is the preferred/best way (and future)? > > 1) tODE - OK, a decent amount of work was inserted to it to make it work somehow. Decent tools with git support, a lot of windows (autolayouting required), very basic inspector, based on obsolete Pharo3, no autocomplete, weird auto code formating etc. :( > Will the development continue (better inspectors, autocomplete, etc)? > > 2) gt4gemstone - new project based on GT tools, great playground/workspace/inspectors, running in latest Pharo, but again, just basic browser, no autocompletion, no syntax coloring (so far), but modern way > What is the plan? Write proper class browser and code editor again from scratch? > There is amazing new browser for Pharo, Calypso, which has remote browsing capabilities (but probably different remoting/proxy layer than gt tools) - is possible to utilize this project for remote Gemstone browsing in future? > > 3) develop in Pharo, then deploy to Gemstone > With some compatibility layers, there is possibility to develop application/business logic in Pharo (with bare collections, dicts, containers etc.) and then deploy code to Gemstone and test. Nice scenario, latest modern dev tools (browsers, inspectors, versioning) from Pharo, but on the dev side in Pharo, no transaction logic (test transaction logic with junit impossible/not available etc.), also not compatible class library - so also with drawbacks with different Smalltalk implementation chaos :( > > I would very much like to get involved with Gemstone dev, but it scratches a bit now. > > Thanks! pf > -- Marten Feldtmann

June 23, 2017

How do you develop for gemstone in open source tools (pharo)?

by Petr Fischer

Hello, I'm curious how _comfortably_ develop software for Gemstone, which is the preferred/best way (and future)? 1) tODE - OK, a decent amount of work was inserted to it to make it work somehow. Decent tools with git support, a lot of windows (autolayouting required), very basic inspector, based on obsolete Pharo3, no autocomplete, weird auto code formating etc. :( Will the development continue (better inspectors, autocomplete, etc)? 2) gt4gemstone - new project based on GT tools, great playground/workspace/inspectors, running in latest Pharo, but again, just basic browser, no autocompletion, no syntax coloring (so far), but modern way What is the plan? Write proper class browser and code editor again from scratch? There is amazing new browser for Pharo, Calypso, which has remote browsing capabilities (but probably different remoting/proxy layer than gt tools) - is possible to utilize this project for remote Gemstone browsing in future? 3) develop in Pharo, then deploy to Gemstone With some compatibility layers, there is possibility to develop application/business logic in Pharo (with bare collections, dicts, containers etc.) and then deploy code to Gemstone and test. Nice scenario, latest modern dev tools (browsers, inspectors, versioning) from Pharo, but on the dev side in Pharo, no transaction logic (test transaction logic with junit impossible/not available etc.), also not compatible class library - so also with drawbacks with different Smalltalk implementation chaos :( I would very much like to get involved with Gemstone dev, but it scratches a bit now. Thanks! pf

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Setting rowHeight: for Spec FastTableModel

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:49, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> wrote: > > >> El 22-06-2017, a las 17:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>> escribiÃ³: >> >> What considerations are there to have individual row heights? > > The way I understand FastTable, it is not possible to have each item with different height. thatâs correct. There was a proposal to give it variable heights but I think it was never implemented. cheers! Esteban > > Cheers, > Juraj > >> i.e. How close are we to having a spreadsheet interface like simplfied Excel? >> >> cheers -ben >> >> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have a code like this: >> >> FastTableModel new >> displayBlock: [ :node | node name ]; >> items: Collection withAllSubclasses; >> openWithSpec. >> >> Which works fine. But I would like to define row height for each item. FTTableMorph has a method rowHeight:. >> Is it possible? >> >> One possible use case could be: >> >> FastTableModel new >> displayBlock: [ :node | node name, >> String cr, â number of methods: ', node methods size asString ]; >> items: Collection withAllSubclasses; >> "rowHeight: 50;â âdoes not work" >> openWithSpec >> >> <Captura de pantalla 2017-06-22 a la(s) 10.50.08.png> >> >> In that case, each list item is composed by a class name on the first line, and the number of methods on the second line. >> >> For FTTableMorph the code looks like this: >> >> FTTableMorph new >> extent: 650@500; >> selectRowIndex: 1; >> showFirstRowSelection; >> dataSource: (FTEasyListDataSource new >> elements: Collection withAllSubclasses; >> display: [ :node | >> Smalltalk ui theme newColumnIn: World for: { >> node name asStringMorph. >> (' number of methods: ', node methods size asString) >> asStringMorph }]); >> rowHeight: 50; >> beMultipleSelection; >> openInWindow >> >> <Captura de pantalla 2017-06-22 a la(s) 10.49.08.png> >> >> Or do you propose another solution? >> >> Thanks! >> Juraj >> >> >> >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by askoh

Norbert: I appreciate you explanation of Amber and PharoJS. I feel at a lost understanding the plethora of Smalltalk + Web frameworks. Is there a place where there is a pros and cons comparison of frameworks: Seaside, SqueakJS, PharoJS, Amber, Caffeine, VisualWorks Appex, Illiad, Aida, Teapot, etc? The sheer number of frameworks just makes it difficult for anyone to commit. It is terrifying. Can we discuss and consolidate the best features into one or two and kill the rest? All the best, Aik-Siong Koh -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-PharoJS-tp4952267p4952361.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by phil＠highoctane.be

If one does Angular, one does it the Angular way, typescript and all. There is little point in doing PharoJS in Angular. Amber and Angular is also hard to do. Another issue with Amber is that it "compiles" to JS, and there are a ton of hard to read context handling code (try to debug that in a js debugger... ahah). For a project of mine, I can do it all Amber. Backend code is another story and frankly, a lot of *paying* customer are not caring about the latest "fad" in SPA/push/reactive/... A solid app that makes sense in streamlining a process is already heaven, and translates into cold cash. I am inheriting some code base where I see jQuery, React, Angular 1.x and some custom scripting all mixed up along with npm, bower, yarn, grunt things to do. WTF. So, customers asking for Angular. Ok, what kind of customers? Business owners? Or IT departments? I am done trying to sell Pharo to IT people. We are better off at upper echelons in the food chain. Where there is business value and speed of execution, and tangible results. I was explaining some reporting code to a Project Management Officer this afternoon. It is Pharo and Seaside. Well, he can actually make sense of what is in the code and can now come back with new ideas for value added features. Just put a halt at a strategic place and was able to inspect key business data interactively. Try that with any JS code. Phil On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:38 PM, andrew glynn <aglynn42(a)outlook.com> wrote: > I was wondering: > > a) I'm assuming PharoJS would be much like Amber but inside the Pharo VM. > > b) How much of the Amber codebase could be re-used for it? > > I'm interested on the one hand, mainly due to the demand for Angular code > in the browser (jQuery is great in Seaside, but many clients are looking > for Angular recently), and my distaste for debugging JavaScript. Amber is > ok but lacks the depth of tooling in Pharo, and isn't keeping up with the > (constant) breaking changes in node and NPM. (Not that I blame the > developers of Amber, it's a problem with the mindset of the developers in > the JavaScript ecosystem - the way that Angular2 is almost completely > different from Angular is an example of the lack of interest in the > existing user base). > > The problem I see is that PharoJS would have the same issues. As a result > it would not only be a fair amount of work to accomplish, it would be far > more to maintain. The Pharo ecosystem is based on an entirely opposite > mindset to the JS ecosystem - a few very good frameworks and a reasonable > number of very good libraries, resulting in highly maintainable code even > on projects with only one or two developers. On top of that it would have > to deal with the issues with JS itself that make writing decent tools > virtually impossible. > > Andrew Glynn > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf > Of pharo-users-request(a)lists.pharo.org > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:41 AM > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Pharo-users Digest, Vol 50, Issue 108 > > Send Pharo-users mailing list submissions to > pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_ > lists.pharo.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pharo-users-request(a)lists.pharo.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pharo-users-owner(a)lists.pharo.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than > "Re: Contents of Pharo-users digest..." > > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 22.06.2017 um 17:53 schrieb Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: > > > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 9:38 PM, andrew glynn <aglynn42(a)outlook.com <mailto:aglynn42@outlook.com>> wrote: > I was wondering: > > a) I'm assuming PharoJS would be much like Amber but inside the Pharo VM. > > I'm only slightly familiar with PharoJS, but I believe its quite different... > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWd2mCQPZUU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWd2mCQPZUU> > It is. Amber bootstraps a complete smalltalk system in javascript. Even the IDE is done that way so you have everything in the browser. It is a nice idea but suffers from the lack of development around the IDE. So the tools while being impressive are not pure fun to work with. That is the point PharoJS does better. It works with pharo connects to a web browser or node.js instance. It takes smalltalk code and transpiles them to javascript removing the need to have the complete smalltalk environment with the generated javascript. PharoJS uses a socket connection between the browser and the pharo image so you can inject and inspect things on the page. The code gets transpiled and transmitted whenver something changes. IMHO PharoJS lacks a definition of a browser DOM so you can develop nicer. But it is quite impressive though. Norbert

June 22, 2017

Spect TextModel with transparent background

by Juraj Kubelka

Hi, is it possible to set a transparent color to the TextModel? I want a text information that may take a few lines, that is able to wrap according to a window size. So, using LabelModel does not fit, because it does not wrap lines. But it looks like TextModel always looks like text editing area. Any idea how to do it? I have tried this: TextModel new text: 'any very very very long text that does not fit to one line'; color: Color transparent; disable; openWithSpec. And it does not work. Ideally it should look like the label model, but with wrapped text: LabelModel new label: 'any very very very long text that does not fit to one line'; openWithSpec Also, executing this: TextModel new text: 'any very very very long text that does not fit to one line'; color: Color transparent; borderColor: Color blue; borderWidth: 50; disable; openWithSpec. It looks to me, that color, border color and width are not reflected. Is it a bug? Thanks! Juraj

June 22, 2017

RES: [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Casimiro de Almeida Barreto - GMAIL

Nice work !!! Will forward to Adilson Hira ayhira(a)lsi.usp.br , who works in the field of public health systems. Best regards, Casimiro Barreto -----Mensagem original----- De: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] Em nome de Tudor Girba Enviada em: quinta-feira, 22 de junho de 2017 11:58 Para: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Assunto: Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised Nice work! Doru > On Jun 22, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > I'm sorry I forgot to post this much earlier. Anywayâ¦. > > We are proud to add another success story to the pharo portfolio > > http://zweidenker.de/en/project/operationstermine-digitalisiert > > It is an operation planning tool for an eye surgery clinic. The core system is pharo4 and voyage (using mongo). The user interface is done with seaside. It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed by the staff. > > This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. > > Implanting more pharo everywhere :) > > Norbert > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by Ben Coman

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 9:38 PM, andrew glynn <aglynn42(a)outlook.com> wrote: > I was wondering: > > a) I'm assuming PharoJS would be much like Amber but inside the Pharo VM. > I'm only slightly familiar with PharoJS, but I believe its quite different... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWd2mCQPZUU cheers -ben

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Setting rowHeight: for Spec FastTableModel

by Juraj Kubelka

> El 22-06-2017, a las 17:19, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> escribiÃ³: > > What considerations are there to have individual row heights? The way I understand FastTable, it is not possible to have each item with different height. Cheers, Juraj > i.e. How close are we to having a spreadsheet interface like simplfied Excel? > > cheers -ben > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com <mailto:juraj.kubelka@icloud.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a code like this: > > FastTableModel new > displayBlock: [ :node | node name ]; > items: Collection withAllSubclasses; > openWithSpec. > > Which works fine. But I would like to define row height for each item. FTTableMorph has a method rowHeight:. > Is it possible? > > One possible use case could be: > > FastTableModel new > displayBlock: [ :node | node name, > String cr, â number of methods: ', node methods size asString ]; > items: Collection withAllSubclasses; > "rowHeight: 50;â âdoes not work" > openWithSpec > > <Captura de pantalla 2017-06-22 a la(s) 10.50.08.png> > > In that case, each list item is composed by a class name on the first line, and the number of methods on the second line. > > For FTTableMorph the code looks like this: > > FTTableMorph new > extent: 650@500; > selectRowIndex: 1; > showFirstRowSelection; > dataSource: (FTEasyListDataSource new > elements: Collection withAllSubclasses; > display: [ :node | > Smalltalk ui theme newColumnIn: World for: { > node name asStringMorph. > (' number of methods: ', node methods size asString) > asStringMorph }]); > rowHeight: 50; > beMultipleSelection; > openInWindow > > <Captura de pantalla 2017-06-22 a la(s) 10.49.08.png> > > Or do you propose another solution? > > Thanks! > Juraj > > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Ben Coman

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange > and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. > The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still > time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an > printed by the staff. > > This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. > > Implanting more pharo everywhere :) > Great to hear of your success here. There must be a massive market like this... "Unfortunately XXX didn't offer a proper interface, so we had to dive into the depths of their data base for reverse engineering, to be able to reconstruct functionalities" and if Pharo's liveness helped in this reverse engineering, that would make a great marketing blog post fro you and Pharo... "How a niche language gives us the superpowers to do what others can't." hehe... cheers -ben

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by andrew glynn

Smalltalk does have a killer web environment, it's called Seaside. I haven't come across any good reason jQuery with Seaside isn't sufficient to do anything a developer might want to - that customers want Angular isn't based on anything that can't be done without it. Unfortunately technology is mostly chosen as if it were a combination fashion show and popularity contest, because the majority of decision makers don't understand any of it. If you really want a better web development environment, you need a better runtime environment than current web browsers. -----Original Message----- From: askoh [mailto:askoh@askoh.com] Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:41 AM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS There seem to be some interesting work with SqueakJS by Craig Latta. https://thiscontext.com/ I hope Smalltalk of all dialects can get together to develop a killer web development environment. All the best, Aik-Siong Koh -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-PharoJS-tp4952267p4952306.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Setting rowHeight: for Spec FastTableModel

by Ben Coman

What considerations are there to have individual row heights? i.e. How close are we to having a spreadsheet interface like simplfied Excel? cheers -ben On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 4:51 PM, Juraj Kubelka <juraj.kubelka(a)icloud.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a code like this: > > FastTableModel new > displayBlock: [ :node | node name ]; > items: Collection withAllSubclasses; > openWithSpec. > > Which works fine. But I would like to define row height for each item. > FTTableMorph has a method rowHeight:. > Is it possible? > > One possible use case could be: > > FastTableModel new > displayBlock: [ :node | node name, > String cr, â number of methods: ', node methods size asString ]; > items: Collection withAllSubclasses; > "rowHeight: 50;â âdoes not work" > openWithSpec > > > In that case, each list item is composed by a class name on the first > line, and the number of methods on the second line. > > For FTTableMorph the code looks like this: > > FTTableMorph new > extent: 650@500; > selectRowIndex: 1; > showFirstRowSelection; > dataSource: (FTEasyListDataSource new > elements: Collection withAllSubclasses; > display: [ :node | > Smalltalk ui theme newColumnIn: World for: { > node name asStringMorph. > (' number of methods: ', node methods size asString) > asStringMorph }]); > *rowHeight: 50;* > beMultipleSelection; > openInWindow > > > Or do you propose another solution? > > Thanks! > Juraj > > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Tudor Girba

Nice work! Doru > On Jun 22, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > I'm sorry I forgot to post this much earlier. Anywayâ¦. > > We are proud to add another success story to the pharo portfolio > > http://zweidenker.de/en/project/operationstermine-digitalisiert > > It is an operation planning tool for an eye surgery clinic. The core system is pharo4 and voyage (using mongo). The user interface is done with seaside. It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed by the staff. > > This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. > > Implanting more pharo everywhere :) > > Norbert > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Be rather willing to give than demanding to get."

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] vested interest in PharoJS?

by askoh

There seem to be some interesting work with SqueakJS by Craig Latta. https://thiscontext.com/ I hope Smalltalk of all dialects can get together to develop a killer web development environment. All the best, Aik-Siong Koh -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/vested-interest-in-PharoJS-tp4951357p4952310.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by askoh

There seem to be some interesting work with SqueakJS by Craig Latta. https://thiscontext.com/ I hope Smalltalk of all dialects can get together to develop a killer web development environment. All the best, Aik-Siong Koh -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-PharoJS-tp4952267p4952306.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] vested interest in PharoJS?

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 22.06.2017 um 13:57 schrieb Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com>: > > Very cool, Norbert. I have been watching what you are doing at 2denker and thought you might be interested ;) > > What is holding you back - do you need more from PharoJS before starting to use it commercially, or are you waiting for a (paid) project before you can start? > What is keeping me? A project and the feasibility. The amber project we could do because the project was more of a research project so I said "why not". For anything serious you need to check if it is feasible to use. And my trials with PharoJS were only little so I don't have the feeling, yet, if it is a huge benefit using it. But I feel a huge potential in it so it is on my list of things I wanna try but not on top. Norbert > -- Siemen > > On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name <mailto:norbert@hartl.name>> wrote: > I thought I responded already. We are interested in pharoJS. We developed stuff with amber but stopped using it. We have one app in the app store with ionic and amber and I'd like to do another one with pharoJS. Additionally I think that combining pharoJS with electron could be a nice thing to have in order to create desktop apps. And finally I was shortly researching native callouts from javascript with javascript core on ios and it seems you can do pharo code, transpile to javascript that calls javascript functions which are OS-native functions. > > Norbert > > > Am 14.06.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com <mailto:siemenbaader@gmail.com>>: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Is anyone else interested in PharoJS and making it mature for their own commercial mobile and single page web app (and node.js) development? > > > > I think it has a huge potential because it brings the browser runtime and many libraries and online services from the JS world to us Smalltalkers while letting us keep our agile development and good CS practices. But it does not yet have the necessary features and documentation to work smoothly. > > > > -- Siemen > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoJS

by andrew glynn

I was wondering: a) I'm assuming PharoJS would be much like Amber but inside the Pharo VM. b) How much of the Amber codebase could be re-used for it? I'm interested on the one hand, mainly due to the demand for Angular code in the browser (jQuery is great in Seaside, but many clients are looking for Angular recently), and my distaste for debugging JavaScript. Amber is ok but lacks the depth of tooling in Pharo, and isn't keeping up with the (constant) breaking changes in node and NPM. (Not that I blame the developers of Amber, it's a problem with the mindset of the developers in the JavaScript ecosystem - the way that Angular2 is almost completely different from Angular is an example of the lack of interest in the existing user base). The problem I see is that PharoJS would have the same issues. As a result it would not only be a fair amount of work to accomplish, it would be far more to maintain. The Pharo ecosystem is based on an entirely opposite mindset to the JS ecosystem - a few very good frameworks and a reasonable number of very good libraries, resulting in highly maintainable code even on projects with only one or two developers. On top of that it would have to deal with the issues with JS itself that make writing decent tools virtually impossible. Andrew Glynn -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of pharo-users-request(a)lists.pharo.org Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 8:41 AM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Pharo-users Digest, Vol 50, Issue 108 Send Pharo-users mailing list submissions to pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to pharo-users-request(a)lists.pharo.org You can reach the person managing the list at pharo-users-owner(a)lists.pharo.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Pharo-users digest..."

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 22 Jun 2017, at 14:40, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > I'm sorry I forgot to post this much earlier. Anywayâ¦. > > We are proud to add another success story to the pharo portfolio > > http://zweidenker.de/en/project/operationstermine-digitalisiert > > It is an operation planning tool for an eye surgery clinic. The core system is pharo4 and voyage (using mongo). The user interface is done with seaside. It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed by the staff. Very nice, well done ! > This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. Yes, what's up with the hipster photographs at http://zweidenker.de/en/about-us ? Just kidding, nice website ! > Implanting more pharo everywhere :) > > Norbert >

June 22, 2017

[ANN] success story: surgery appointments digitalised

by Norbert Hartl

I'm sorry I forgot to post this much earlier. Anywayâ¦. We are proud to add another success story to the pharo portfolio http://zweidenker.de/en/project/operationstermine-digitalisiert <http://zweidenker.de/en/project/operationstermine-digitalisiert> It is an operation planning tool for an eye surgery clinic. The core system is pharo4 and voyage (using mongo). The user interface is done with seaside. It interfaces with a legacy patient information system, microsoft exchange and other stuff in order to orchestrate the arrangement of surgery dates. The tool automates planning (which doctor works on which day and has still time to do the operation,â¦.). Finalized plans are produced in PDF an printed by the staff. This as a short info. If you have question don't hesitate to ask. Implanting more pharo everywhere :) Norbert

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] vested interest in PharoJS?

by Siemen Baader

Very cool, Norbert. I have been watching what you are doing at 2denker and thought you might be interested ;) What is holding you back - do you need more from PharoJS before starting to use it commercially, or are you waiting for a (paid) project before you can start? -- Siemen On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:08 PM, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > I thought I responded already. We are interested in pharoJS. We developed > stuff with amber but stopped using it. We have one app in the app store > with ionic and amber and I'd like to do another one with pharoJS. > Additionally I think that combining pharoJS with electron could be a nice > thing to have in order to create desktop apps. And finally I was shortly > researching native callouts from javascript with javascript core on ios and > it seems you can do pharo code, transpile to javascript that calls > javascript functions which are OS-native functions. > > Norbert > > > Am 14.06.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com>: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Is anyone else interested in PharoJS and making it mature for their own > commercial mobile and single page web app (and node.js) development? > > > > I think it has a huge potential because it brings the browser runtime > and many libraries and online services from the JS world to us Smalltalkers > while letting us keep our agile development and good CS practices. But it > does not yet have the necessary features and documentation to work smoothly. > > > > -- Siemen > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] vested interest in PharoJS?

by Norbert Hartl

I thought I responded already. We are interested in pharoJS. We developed stuff with amber but stopped using it. We have one app in the app store with ionic and amber and I'd like to do another one with pharoJS. Additionally I think that combining pharoJS with electron could be a nice thing to have in order to create desktop apps. And finally I was shortly researching native callouts from javascript with javascript core on ios and it seems you can do pharo code, transpile to javascript that calls javascript functions which are OS-native functions. Norbert > Am 14.06.2017 um 11:46 schrieb Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi all, > > Is anyone else interested in PharoJS and making it mature for their own commercial mobile and single page web app (and node.js) development? > > I think it has a huge potential because it brings the browser runtime and many libraries and online services from the JS world to us Smalltalkers while letting us keep our agile development and good CS practices. But it does not yet have the necessary features and documentation to work smoothly. > > -- Siemen

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Setting rowHeight: for Spec FastTableModel

by Stephan Eggermont

On 22/06/17 10:51, Juraj Kubelka wrote: > Hi, > > I have a code like this: > > FastTableModel new > displayBlock: [ :node | node name ]; > items: Collection withAllSubclasses; > openWithSpec. > > Which works fine. But I would like to define row height for each item. > FTTableMorph has a method rowHeight:. > Is it possible? Sure. Not all properties of fasttable are exposed, and I never got a good answer on the design question of what and how to expose and propagate properties in Spec. I see the following design questions: Exposing all the Morphic properties makes for a stronger dependency on Morphic. Spec itself is written so it can be easily ported from one underlying widget & gui layer to another (bloc, cocoa, qt, less so for web?), and different layers have different properties. What is common and what needs adapters or even layer-specific code? When nesting components, how do properties propagate? Define once and reuse everywhere is the goal, but that requires defining where components can find property values: Theme, Application, Session. In Spec there is no model/API defined for that, and there is no systematic approach taken, just pragmatic choices. Stephan

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] vested interest in PharoJS?

by Siemen Baader

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Brad Selfridge <bsselfridge(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm very interested in it as I'm programming in Node.js and Typescript as > we > speak. However, I so busy I'm having a hard time just keeping up with the > PharoJS progress. > Would you be able to use PharoJS in your (future?) projects and save time in a way that would justify you investing time into improving PharoJS or participate in the community in other ways? -- Siemen > > > > > > ----- > Brad Selfridge > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/vested- > interest-in-PharoJS-tp4951357p4951518.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] vested interest in PharoJS?

by Siemen Baader

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 4:10 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > from my extremely limited understanding about web dev, Seaside if my > memory serves me correctly it integrate JS/ HTML/ CSS . IT has many great > features, its mature and well documented. Most likely most existing pharo > web dev frameworks do this as well. > Yes, it is good. But all the state is on the server, so it is not much help for an in-browser web app. A thin client model rather than a fat client that has a very responsive UI and also works well with interrupted connectivity as is often the case with mobile. So not really my use case. > > PharoJS is definitely a very cool idea, but its a big project none the > less , so it will take some time for it to get there. Assuming devs > contribute to it, the massive difference between "I want" and "I make". > Exactly. It would be cool if we could unite a few competent people with self-interest to help the project forward. I have this self-interest, but not the skills (or time to acquire them) to do it alone. Have tried ;) -- Siemen > > > On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:47 PM Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Is anyone else interested in PharoJS and making it mature for their own >> commercial mobile and single page web app (and node.js) development? >> >> I think it has a huge potential because it brings the browser runtime and >> many libraries and online services from the JS world to us Smalltalkers >> while letting us keep our agile development and good CS practices. But it >> does not yet have the necessary features and documentation to work smoothly. >> >> -- Siemen >> >

June 22, 2017

Setting rowHeight: for Spec FastTableModel

by Juraj Kubelka

Hi, I have a code like this: FastTableModel new displayBlock: [ :node | node name ]; items: Collection withAllSubclasses; openWithSpec. Which works fine. But I would like to define row height for each item. FTTableMorph has a method rowHeight:. Is it possible? One possible use case could be: FastTableModel new displayBlock: [ :node | node name, String cr, â number of methods: ', node methods size asString ]; items: Collection withAllSubclasses; "rowHeight: 50;â âdoes not work" openWithSpec In that case, each list item is composed by a class name on the first line, and the number of methods on the second line. For FTTableMorph the code looks like this: FTTableMorph new extent: 650@500; selectRowIndex: 1; showFirstRowSelection; dataSource: (FTEasyListDataSource new elements: Collection withAllSubclasses; display: [ :node | Smalltalk ui theme newColumnIn: World for: { node name asStringMorph. (' number of methods: ', node methods size asString) asStringMorph }]); rowHeight: 50; beMultipleSelection; openInWindow Or do you propose another solution? Thanks! Juraj

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] GT questions

by Juraj Kubelka

Hi, I have not answer to this. I have an impression that the first two are not supported. It would be necessary to improve the framework. For the third one, there is an example for Drag&Drop in the Help / Glamour Example Browser. But no for the World. Cheers, Juraj > El 19-06-2017, a las 03:00, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> escribiÃ³: > > Hi, > > do we have an example on Glamorous Toolkit on > > 1. how to have a splitter between a pane (for instance to change size for left and right pane on a #dashboard) > > 2. how to have vertical tabs in a #tabulator > > 3. on how to use D&D from GT from a list or tree to the world? > > Thanks > T. > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser

by Marc Hanisch

Hi Nicolai, I've downloaded the whole 64bit build from: http://files.pharo.org/platform/Pharo6.0-64-linux.zip I start it with the little startup shell script, which is in the root folder of the zip. This worked very well for Pharo 5.0. In the meantime I had a closer look at the differences between version 5 and 6: it seems that the distributed and precompiled libraries are now organized in an extra folder (bin/lib/pharo/5.0-201705310241 <0201%20705310241>) which wasn't the case for Pharo5 32bit (just bin/lib). So I simply copied the sources file to this new folder and now it works... It must be an error of the build/packaging process... And I'm wondering why the sources file is put so many times in different folders (I saw it 3 or 4 times ;-))... Thanks for your help! Marc Am 21.06.2017 22:58 schrieb "Nicolai Hess" <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com>: 2017-06-21 11:57 GMT+02:00 Marc Hanisch via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>: > > > ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- > From: Marc Hanisch <marc.hanisch(a)googlemail.com> > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:57:53 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser > Hello, > > it's me again still struggeling with the same issue on two different > machines: Ubuntu 16.04 and Fedora 25. On all machines the same > behaviour, I'm getting the error: > > "Information > Pharo cannot locate the sources file named > /home/marc/PharoWorkspace/Pharo/pharo6.0/bin/lib/pharo/5.0-201705310241 > <0201%20705310241>/PharoV60.sources. > > Please check that the file is named properly and is in the > same directory as this image." > > I'm wondering why Pharo is looking in this folder, because the source > file is present in the shared folder, where also the default > Pharo6.0.image and Pharo6.0.changes live in: > > /home/marc/PharoWorkspace/Pharo/pharo6.0/PharoWorkspace/Phar > o/pharo6.0/shared/PharoV60.sources > > Any ideas? I'm a little helpless... ;-) Btw. this is Pharo 64bit... > Hi, I just tried to reproduce this error, but it is working for me. I downloaded the pharo6 image & changes zip the virtual machin and the source from http://pharo.org/download Unzip all in one directory start pharo by ./pharo Pharo-6501.image And I was able to save the image with "save as ..." How did you installed pharo and how do you start it ? > Best regards, > Marc > > 2017-06-18 20:46 GMT+02:00 Marc Hanisch via Pharo-users > <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>: > > > > > > ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- > > From: Marc Hanisch <marc.hanisch(a)googlemail.com> > > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > Cc: > > Bcc: > > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:46:31 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser > > Hi Stephane, > > > > Yes it seems to be an issue with the sources file. Maybe my workflow is > wrong? When I want to store an image somewhere else, I always left+click > and select save as... to save my image. As far as I understand Pharo, it > then saves the image and a changes file in the selected directory. The > sources file should stay in the Pharo distribution folder, under the share > directory, shouldn't it? The sources file is present in my share folder, I > don't know why Pharo looks into pharo6.0-64/bin/lib/pharo/5.0- > > 201705310241/ (that's the path from the error message). > > > > ...BTW I'm wondering why the mailing list sends my mails as .eml > attachments? Did you received my previous mail? > > > > Best regards, > > Marc > > > > >

June 22, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser

by Nicolai Hess

2017-06-21 11:57 GMT+02:00 Marc Hanisch via Pharo-users < pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>: > > > ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- > From: Marc Hanisch <marc.hanisch(a)googlemail.com> > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:57:53 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser > Hello, > > it's me again still struggeling with the same issue on two different > machines: Ubuntu 16.04 and Fedora 25. On all machines the same > behaviour, I'm getting the error: > > "Information > Pharo cannot locate the sources file named > /home/marc/PharoWorkspace/Pharo/pharo6.0/bin/lib/pharo/ > 5.0-201705310241/PharoV60.sources. > > Please check that the file is named properly and is in the > same directory as this image." > > I'm wondering why Pharo is looking in this folder, because the source > file is present in the shared folder, where also the default > Pharo6.0.image and Pharo6.0.changes live in: > > /home/marc/PharoWorkspace/Pharo/pharo6.0/PharoWorkspace/ > Pharo/pharo6.0/shared/PharoV60.sources > > Any ideas? I'm a little helpless... ;-) Btw. this is Pharo 64bit... > Hi, I just tried to reproduce this error, but it is working for me. I downloaded the pharo6 image & changes zip the virtual machin and the source from http://pharo.org/download Unzip all in one directory start pharo by ./pharo Pharo-6501.image And I was able to save the image with "save as ..." How did you installed pharo and how do you start it ? > Best regards, > Marc > > 2017-06-18 20:46 GMT+02:00 Marc Hanisch via Pharo-users > <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>: > > > > > > ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- > > From: Marc Hanisch <marc.hanisch(a)googlemail.com> > > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > Cc: > > Bcc: > > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:46:31 +0200 > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser > > Hi Stephane, > > > > Yes it seems to be an issue with the sources file. Maybe my workflow is > wrong? When I want to store an image somewhere else, I always left+click > and select save as... to save my image. As far as I understand Pharo, it > then saves the image and a changes file in the selected directory. The > sources file should stay in the Pharo distribution folder, under the share > directory, shouldn't it? The sources file is present in my share folder, I > don't know why Pharo looks into pharo6.0-64/bin/lib/pharo/5.0- > > 201705310241/ (that's the path from the error message). > > > > ...BTW I'm wondering why the mailing list sends my mails as .eml > attachments? Did you received my previous mail? > > > > Best regards, > > Marc > > > > >

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 released!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 21 Jun 2017, at 16:49, Eno <tgkuo1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, community. > > congrats. > > I applied my project on smalltalkHub ( TkIDE) immediately to Pharo 6. > > It went well while installing the packages on both windows and osx > platforms. > > But serious conditions occurred while running my program on OSX. > > It's occured while doing Fuel serialization via Sandstone, error message > shows " > PrimitiveFailed: primitive #basicIdentiyHash in SmallFloat64 failed". > > It could be tested by: 28.0 largeIdentityHash. It runs ok on Windows, but > failed on OSX. Yes that seems to be a bug on macOS 64-bit. > Maybe there is something wrong with the virtual machine primitives on OSX. > > Best regards. > > > Tsun > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-ANN-Pharo-6-0-released-tp4949721p4952092.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 released!

by Marcus Denker

> On 21 Jun 2017, at 16:49, Eno <tgkuo1(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, community. > > congrats. > > I applied my project on smalltalkHub ( TkIDE) immediately to Pharo 6. > > It went well while installing the packages on both windows and osx > platforms. > > But serious conditions occurred while running my program on OSX. > > It's occured while doing Fuel serialization via Sandstone, error message > shows " > PrimitiveFailed: primitive #basicIdentiyHash in SmallFloat64 failed". > > It could be tested by: 28.0 largeIdentityHash. It runs ok on Windows, but > failed on OSX. > > Maybe there is something wrong with the virtual machine primitives on OSX. > Hello, We have already two issues in the issue tracker that are related to this error, it will be fixed (soon I hope): https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19311/PrimitiveFailed-primitive-basicIden… <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/19311/PrimitiveFailed-primitive-basicIden…> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20119/basicIdentityHash-and-only-basicIde… <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20119/basicIdentityHash-and-only-basicIde…>

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo 6.0 released!

by Eno

Hi, community. congrats. I applied my project on smalltalkHub ( TkIDE) immediately to Pharo 6. It went well while installing the packages on both windows and osx platforms. But serious conditions occurred while running my program on OSX. It's occured while doing Fuel serialization via Sandstone, error message shows " PrimitiveFailed: primitive #basicIdentiyHash in SmallFloat64 failed". It could be tested by: 28.0 largeIdentityHash. It runs ok on Windows, but failed on OSX. Maybe there is something wrong with the virtual machine primitives on OSX. Best regards. Tsun -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-ANN-Pharo-6-0-released-tp4949721p4952092.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] P6: How to get focus for mouse wheel event

by Hilaire

Thanks, I added your hack to the associated bug ticket. https://bugs.launchpad.net/drgeo/+bug/1699113 Le 21/06/2017 Ã 11:15, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > Ugly hack: -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 21, 2017

Pharo Monthly Newsletter June

by Marcus Denker

Hi, The Pharo Monthly Newsletter for June will be send out Friday. You can subscribe here to get it delivered by email: http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/home/?u=6f667565c2569234585a7be77&id=0486… <http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/home/?u=6f667565c2569234585a7be77&id=0486…> If someone has ideas for topics for the next newsletters, please send them to me. Marcus

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser

by Marc Hanisch

Hello, it's me again still struggeling with the same issue on two different machines: Ubuntu 16.04 and Fedora 25. On all machines the same behaviour, I'm getting the error: "Information Pharo cannot locate the sources file named /home/marc/PharoWorkspace/Pharo/pharo6.0/bin/lib/pharo/5.0-201705310241/PharoV60.sources. Please check that the file is named properly and is in the same directory as this image." I'm wondering why Pharo is looking in this folder, because the source file is present in the shared folder, where also the default Pharo6.0.image and Pharo6.0.changes live in: /home/marc/PharoWorkspace/Pharo/pharo6.0/PharoWorkspace/Pharo/pharo6.0/shared/PharoV60.sources Any ideas? I'm a little helpless... ;-) Btw. this is Pharo 64bit... Best regards, Marc 2017-06-18 20:46 GMT+02:00 Marc Hanisch via Pharo-users <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org>: > > > ---------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht ---------- > From: Marc Hanisch <marc.hanisch(a)googlemail.com> > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:46:31 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Autoformatting in SystemBrowser > Hi Stephane, > > Yes it seems to be an issue with the sources file. Maybe my workflow is wrong? When I want to store an image somewhere else, I always left+click and select save as... to save my image. As far as I understand Pharo, it then saves the image and a changes file in the selected directory. The sources file should stay in the Pharo distribution folder, under the share directory, shouldn't it? The sources file is present in my share folder, I don't know why Pharo looks into pharo6.0-64/bin/lib/pharo/5.0- > 201705310241/ (that's the path from the error message). > > ...BTW I'm wondering why the mailing list sends my mails as .eml attachments? Did you received my previous mail? > > Best regards, > Marc >

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] P6: How to get focus for mouse wheel event

by Nicolai Hess

2017-06-21 6:48 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Is there a way I can manualy change it by code? I did have success to > find it. > > Ugly hack: DrGFileThumbnailDialog>>#handleFocusEvent: anEvent (anEvent isMouse and: [ anEvent isMouseWheel ]) ifTrue: [ self activeHand releaseMouseFocus: self ]. ^ super handleFocusEvent: anEvent I guess, this will swallow the first scroll event, but all following are handled by the scroll pane. We should fix the openModal: method, to only change the mouse focus if the active focus holder isn't nil. > Le 20/06/2017 Ã 21:23, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > > Hmm. > > We fixed the mousefocus handling for openModal > > (see case 14629 > > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14629/Morphic-click- > event-and-modal-windows-get-stuck> > > Morphic click event and modal windows get stuck) > > > > But I guess , this now does not work as expected when the actual mouse > > focus should be nil. > > Because now the DrGeoThumbnailDialog holds the mouse focus and does not > > react on scroll events. Only if the > > current mouse focus is nil the scrollevents are handled by the > scrollpane) > > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] P6: How to get focus for mouse wheel event

by Hilaire

Is there a way I can manualy change it by code? I did have success to find it. Le 20/06/2017 Ã 21:23, Nicolai Hess a Ã©crit : > Hmm. > We fixed the mousefocus handling for openModal > (see case 14629 > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14629/Morphic-click-event-and-modal-windo…> > Morphic click event and modal windows get stuck) > > But I guess , this now does not work as expected when the actual mouse > focus should be nil. > Because now the DrGeoThumbnailDialog holds the mouse focus and does not > react on scroll events. Only if the > current mouse focus is nil the scrollevents are handled by the scrollpane) > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Regression with PNGReaderWriter in P6

by Hilaire

It is a go here. Thanks Le 21/06/2017 Ã 04:56, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > This is strange, since the slice upload seemed to go smoothly, if a bit > slow - but no errors. > I've uploaded the missing mcz, so the existing slice should now work. > > cheers -ben > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Regression with PNGReaderWriter in P6

by Ben Coman

This is strange, since the slice upload seemed to go smoothly, if a bit slow - but no errors. I've uploaded the missing mcz, so the existing slice should now work. cheers -ben On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > It is not, Ben has to redo his slice. > > > On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:29, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Did you check if the file is in the inbox repo? > > > > Stef > > > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > >> Almost there... > >> > >> Le 20/06/2017 Ã 05:05, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > >>> @Hilaire, could you test the slice? > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Dr. Geo > >> http://drgeo.eu > > > > >

June 21, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Quickly finding references from one package in another package?

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

Le 20/06/2017 Ã 21:11, PAUL DEBRUICKER a Ã©crit : > Hi - > > I'm porting some stuff to Pharo 6. The old stuff uses OSProcess and I'd like to find all the references to classes from that package in my package. > Hello! I don't have a snippet to help you but I know how to help you a little from the UI of Nautilus. Help 1: - Open Nautilus - Go on your package - Right click on it - Browse scoped - Write "OSProcess" somewhere in the new browser - Browse senders Help 2: - Open Nautilus - Go on your package - Right click on your package - Browse Dependencies - Looks for the package you want > > Is there a little bit of code that does that? > > > thanks > > > Paul > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques PrÃ©vert 01, 59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

June 20, 2017

Cairo related crash with Dr. Geo

by Hilaire

Hi guys, Does this error related to Cairo makes sense to you? It is happening on DrGeo 17.07 (based on Pharo3), on a LinuxMint 18.1 64bits based on Ubuntu 16.04. Dr. Geo apparently crash quite quickly All the necessary 32bits libs are installed. It seems LinuxMint18.1 Cairo is 1.14.6-1 and ubuntu 14.04 1.13.0~20140204-0ubuntu1.1 where DrGeo is know to work perfectly. Thanks Hilaire -------- Message transfÃ©rÃ© -------- Sujet : Re: Fwd: Packages nÃ©cessaires pour le fonctionnement de Dr. Geo QrTag Date : Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:33:32 +0200 De : EDU-HANNAB <bastien.hanna(a)edu.ge.ch> Pour : Edu <hilaire.fernandes(a)edu.ge.ch> J'ai mÃªme fait les tests en ouvrant les exercices depuis le menu et le problÃ¨me est le mÃªme. j'ai dÃ©jÃ fait le test avec la derniÃ¨re version 17.07A et le problÃ¨me est le mÃªme. j'ai une erreur lors de la fermeture inopinÃ©es de l'application qui a l'air en rapport avec la librairy "libcairo". On 20. 06. 17 16:25, Edu wrote: > > Il est possible que cela soit les scripts pour encapsuler le lancement > par QrTAg qui ont un comportement diffÃ©rents. En effet les scripts > peuvent fermer une figure pour en ouvrir une autre, en gÃ©nÃ©ral il faut > Ã©viter de laisser le tag sous la camÃ©ra, mÃªme si j'ai mis un garde fou. > > Lorsque le logiciel DrGeo est lancÃ© directement depuis > DrGeo.app/DrGeo.sh, est-ce que les mÃªmes fermetures inopinÃ©es de > l'application sont constatÃ©es ? > > Eventuellement tÃ©lÃ©charger une version ici http://drgeo.eu et vÃ©rifier > son bon fonctionnement. > > Hilaire > > > Le 20/06/2017 Ã 16:21, EDU-HANNAB a Ã©crit : >> le logiciel se lance bien , mais lorsque on lance un exercice et que >> l'on zoom ou dÃ©-zoom. l'application ce ferme tout seul. > > -- > Cycle d'orientation du Foron > Ch. du Foron 43 > 1226 ThÃ´nex > +41 22 388 15 50 -- SEM Logistique <http://icp.ge.ch/sem/logistique/> Hanna Bastien Technicien Informatique et Audio VidÃ©o Rue des GazomÃ¨tre 3 1205 GenÃ¨ve E-mail: bastien.hanna(a)edu.ge.ch <mailto:bastien.hanna@edu.ge.ch> | WEB: SEM Logistique <http://icp.ge.ch/sem/logistique/> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/bastien-hanna-66a54a26/> Pour dÃ©clarer un incident, merci de remplir le formulaire en ligne : Portail de service <https://cds.prod.etat-ge.ch/pssoft/portal/>

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] P6: How to get focus for mouse wheel event

by Nicolai Hess

2017-06-20 14:14 GMT+02:00 Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu>: > Hi, > > With Dr. Geo under P6 I have a usability regression with the > GeneralScrollPane of the File thumbnail dialog: > > This dialog does not have any more the focus when open by default. > > It is a problem when the user wants to browse with mouse wheel the > sketch previews. Indeed he needs to first click on the dialog then he > can browser with the mouse wheel. > > The user click should be unnecessary. > > How to ensure the mouse wheel event are sent by default to the > GeneralScrollPane? > > It was the case with P3. > Hmm. We fixed the mousefocus handling for openModal (see case 14629 <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14629/Morphic-click-event-and-modal-windo…> Morphic click event and modal windows get stuck) But I guess , this now does not work as expected when the actual mouse focus should be nil. Because now the DrGeoThumbnailDialog holds the mouse focus and does not react on scroll events. Only if the current mouse focus is nil the scrollevents are handled by the scrollpane) > > Hilaire > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > > >

June 20, 2017

Quickly finding references from one package in another package?

by PAUL DEBRUICKER

Hi - I'm porting some stuff to Pharo 6. The old stuff uses OSProcess and I'd like to find all the references to classes from that package in my package. Is there a little bit of code that does that? thanks Paul

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Regression with PNGReaderWriter in P6

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

It is not, Ben has to redo his slice. > On 20 Jun 2017, at 18:29, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Did you check if the file is in the inbox repo? > > Stef > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> Almost there... >> >> Le 20/06/2017 Ã 05:05, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : >>> @Hilaire, could you test the slice? >>> >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo >> http://drgeo.eu >

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Regression with PNGReaderWriter in P6

by Stephane Ducasse

Did you check if the file is in the inbox repo? Stef On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Almost there... > > Le 20/06/2017 Ã 05:05, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : >> @Hilaire, could you test the slice? >> > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Regression with PNGReaderWriter in P6

by Hilaire

Almost there... Le 20/06/2017 Ã 05:05, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > @Hilaire, could you test the slice? > -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 20, 2017

P6: How to get focus for mouse wheel event

by Hilaire

Hi, With Dr. Geo under P6 I have a usability regression with the GeneralScrollPane of the File thumbnail dialog: This dialog does not have any more the focus when open by default. It is a problem when the user wants to browse with mouse wheel the sketch previews. Indeed he needs to first click on the dialog then he can browser with the mouse wheel. The user click should be unnecessary. How to ensure the mouse wheel event are sent by default to the GeneralScrollPane? It was the case with P3. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Teapot session

by Alistair Grant

Hi Phil, On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 09:07:23PM +0200, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Try Ctl-q or Cmd-q after having typed a few chars. Continue until you get a > match. > > Works in 6.0 > > Phil Thanks! I wasn't aware of this gem. Cheers, Alistair

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] UUIDGenerator

by Stephane Ducasse

May be you should have a look at the Pharo mooc. Because we spent 8 months producing videos. This is free and in two days you can cherry pick what you want. Students like it a lot. Stef On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:39 AM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I didn't know about the Spotter. That is so frickin' cool!!! > > Thanks. > > > philippeback wrote >> Spotting for hex is hardly complex. >> >> Shift-Enter hex #im >> >> --> implementors of hex, first one I see is in ByteArray. >> >> Shit-Enter hex #se >> >> --> senders of hex. First one is a test in ByteArray >> >> testHex >> "self debug: #testHex" >> self assert: #[122 43 213 7] hex = '7a2bd507'. >> self assert: #[151 193 242 221 249 32 153 72 179 41 49 154 48 193 99 134] >> hex = '97c1f2ddf9209948b329319a30c16386'. >> self assert: (ByteArray readHexFrom: '7A2BD507') = #[122 43 213 7]. >> self assert: (ByteArray readHexFrom: '7a2bd507') = #[122 43 213 7]. >> >> From this test, one can spot readHexFrom: which uses lowercase or >> uppercase >> for reading. >> >> And asUppercase, Shift-Enter upper, scrolll down as bit, find >> String>>#asUppercase >> >> Spotter is really great at finding stuff, and coupled with tests and >> examples it helps in building understanding. >> >> Agreed, this is not the same as looking for stuff as in, say, Java or >> Python. I find it better in the long run still. >> >> Phil >> >> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 9:23 PM, horrido < > >> horrido.hobbies@ > >> > wrote: >> >>> Message 'next' is not understood. >>> >>> But yes, >>> >>> UUID new hex asUppercase >>> >>> works fine. >>> >>> This is what happens when there is inadequate documentation: you end up >>> doing things the *hard* way. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >>> > Why not just >>> > >>> > UUIDGenerator default next hex asUppercase. >>> > >>> > Or even >>> > >>> > UUID new hex asUppercase. >>> > >>> > ? >>> > >>> > Since you are using #generateBytes:forVersion: (which is an internal >>> > method BTW), you must be working in an older Pharo image (older than >>> 6). >>> > We replaced the UUIDGenerator class, the class comment in from the >>> newer >>> > version. >>> > >>> >> On 17 Jun 2017, at 16:27, horrido < >>> >>> > horrido.hobbies@ >>> >>> > > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Okay, I figured it out. Here's my method: >>> >> >>> >> generateUUID >>> >> | aStream hex s x | >>> >> hex := '0123456789ABCDEF'. >>> >> x := ByteArray new: 16. >>> >> UUIDGenerator default generateBytes: x forVersion: 4. >>> >> s := String new: 32. >>> >> aStream := WriteStream on: s. >>> >> x do: [ :each | aStream nextPut: (hex at: each // 16 + 1). >>> >> aStream nextPut: (hex at: each \\ 16 + 1) ]. >>> >> ^ s >>> >> >>> >> Works like a charm. It would've been nice if a similar example was >>> >> available >>> >> /somewhere/ on the web. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> -- >>> >> View this message in context: >>> >> http://forum.world.st/UUIDGenerator-tp4951725p4951731.html >>> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at >>> Nabble.com. >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/UUIDGenerator- >>> tp4951725p4951743.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>> >>> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/UUIDGenerator-tp4951725p4951844.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Finding files in Pharo

by Alistair Grant

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 04:22:31AM -0300, Hern??n Morales Durand wrote: > > > 2017-06-20 3:14 GMT-03:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com>: > > Hi Hernan, > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 09:23:35PM -0300, Hern??n Morales Durand wrote: > > I took the time to review FileSystemDirectoryEntry. > > > > UNIX has 3 types of timestamps > > > > -The access time is the last time when the content was accessed. > > -The modification time is last time when the content was modified. > > -The change time is the last time when the metadata was modified. > > > > FileSystemDirectoryEntry>>creationTime > > This is wrong because there is no such thing as creation time in UNIX. > > Several linux file systems do support creation time, called birth time, > but my understanding is that there is no standard way to retrieve the > birth time commonly available and cross platform. > > > > Thanks for the update, I checked and creation time seems not required by POSIX. > > > > I checked in Linux chmod'ing an empty file and #creationTime displays the > chmod > > "change time". > > Then added content to the file > > > > echo prueba >> test1.txt > > > > And both "creation" and "modification" instance variables were updated. > > > > I couldn't find #accessTime method to get the last timestamp of last > access. > > Linux kernel 4.11 introduced statx(), which adds creation time, but I > don't know if it will be adopted by BSD or MacOS. > > The patches I mentioned earlier and plan for Pharo 7 add support for all > 4 timestamps (creation, change, modification, access). Which fields get > populated depends on the platform. There's a #hasCreationTime flag > which allows you to distinguish between the real creation time and the > change time. > > > > Maybe #creationTime should answer nil or raise an exception if not supported by > underlying file system. > > It would be nice to has full support for tags. If this were new behaviour I would raise an exception, but currently my version of #creationTime continues to return the change time for backward compatibility (it also seems to be common behaviour on Posix systems). The #hasCreationTime flag is there for applications that want to be specific in their behaviour. I'm open to changing this if there is sufficient support or a good enough argument. Cheers, Alistair

June 20, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Finding files in Pharo

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2017-06-20 3:14 GMT-03:00 Alistair Grant <akgrant0710(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Hernan, > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 09:23:35PM -0300, Hern??n Morales Durand wrote: > > I took the time to review FileSystemDirectoryEntry. > > > > UNIX has 3 types of timestamps > > > > -The access time is the last time when the content was accessed. > > -The modification time is last time when the content was modified. > > -The change time is the last time when the metadata was modified. > > > > FileSystemDirectoryEntry>>creationTime > > This is wrong because there is no such thing as creation time in UNIX. > > Several linux file systems do support creation time, called birth time, > but my understanding is that there is no standard way to retrieve the > birth time commonly available and cross platform. > > Thanks for the update, I checked and creation time seems not required by POSIX. > > I checked in Linux chmod'ing an empty file and #creationTime displays > the chmod > > "change time". > > Then added content to the file > > > > echo prueba >> test1.txt > > > > And both "creation" and "modification" instance variables were updated. > > > > I couldn't find #accessTime method to get the last timestamp of last > access. > > Linux kernel 4.11 introduced statx(), which adds creation time, but I > don't know if it will be adopted by BSD or MacOS. > > The patches I mentioned earlier and plan for Pharo 7 add support for all > 4 timestamps (creation, change, modification, access). Which fields get > populated depends on the platform. There's a #hasCreationTime flag > which allows you to distinguish between the real creation time and the > change time. > > Maybe #creationTime should answer nil or raise an exception if not supported by underlying file system. It would be nice to has full support for tags. Cheers, HernÃ¡n > Cheers, > Alistair > >

June 20, 2017

Re: Bloated image again. Memory leak?

by Davide Varvello

Thanks for the article Phil and yep I generate many reports from the inspection of a lot of collections Davide philippeback wrote > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users < > pharo-users@.pharo >> wrote: > >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Davide Varvello < > varvello@ > > >> To: > pharo-users@.pharo >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 02:52:08 -0700 (PDT) >> Subject: Re: Bloated image again. Memory leak? >> Thank you very much Phil, >> Your code works! The image went from 600MB to 80MB >> > > I suffered from such a thing for a long time, and thanks to ClÃ©ment and > Pavel, we are not having to suffer that bloat anymore :-) > > This article is worth a read for making things fast(er) in some cases (if > you got to 600MB then you were inspecting decently sized collections): > https://clementbera.wordpress.com/2017/03/12/tuning-the-pharo-garbage-colle… > > Phil > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Bloated-image-again-Memory-leak-tp4951862p4951975.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 20, 2017

Re: Bloated image again. Memory leak?

by Davide Varvello

Fine Davide EstebanLM wrote >> On 19 Jun 2017, at 11:52, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users < > pharo-users@.pharo > > wrote: >> >> >> From: Davide Varvello < > varvello@ > <mailto: > varvello@ > >> >> Subject: Re: Bloated image again. Memory leak? >> Date: 19 June 2017 at 11:52:08 GMT+2 >> To: > pharo-users@.pharo > <mailto: > pharo-users@.pharo > > >> >> >> Thank you very much Phil, >> Your code works! The image went from 600MB to 80MB >> >> I'm wondering why there is no bug record about GLMPanePort on >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/search/?sSearchFor=GLMPanePort >> <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/search/?sSearchFor=GLMPanePort> nor a >> fix. Nobody >> has this issue, but you and me? I'm puzzled. > > I think because this was a more general bug that *should* be fixed on > Pharo 6. > > cheers! > Esteban > >> >> Anyway >> Thank you very much >> Davide >> >> >> philippeback wrote >>> Check >>> >>> https://gist.github.com/philippeback/39c63bb5aa26b79098511cdfea4fea7e >>> <https://gist.github.com/philippeback/39c63bb5aa26b79098511cdfea4fea7e> >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 8:45 AM, Davide Varvello via Pharo-users < >> >>> pharo-users@.pharo >> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Davide Varvello < >> >>> varvello@ >> >>> > >>>> To: >> >>> pharo-users@.pharo >> >>>> Cc: >>>> Bcc: >>>> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 23:45:32 -0700 (PDT) >>>> Subject: Bloated image again. Memory leak? >>>> Hi guys, >>>> I have this problem (http://forum.world.st/Huge-image-td4876854.html) >>>> now >>>> the image grow about 100MB per week and the suggestions shown on >>>> http://forum.world.st/Huge-image-td4876854.html don't work >>>> >>>> I'm on Pharo 5 on a mac. >>>> >>>> I suspect it is something related to GLMPanePort, see the attached jpg >>>> Can you help me please? >>>> >>>> TIA >>>> Davide >>>> >>>> >>>> <http://forum.world.st/file/n4951861/huge_image2.jpg> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Bloated- >>>> image-again-Memory-leak-tp4951861.html >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/Bloated-image-again-Memory-leak-tp4951862p4951885.html >> <http://forum.world.st/Bloated-image-again-Memory-leak-tp4951862p4951885.html> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com >> <http://nabble.com/>. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Bloated-image-again-Memory-leak-tp4951862p4951973.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 20, 2017