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Pharo booklet collection

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi Pharoers You are lucky. The "Pharo booklet collection" edited by S. Ducasse is arriving... Are you ready to read nice and focused booklets? You can find at http://files.pharo.org/books/ in beta version: - Smacc: the Smalltalk Compiler Compiler by J. Brant, T. Goubier, J. Lecerf and S. Ducasse. - Glorp: the Object Relational Mapper framework by E. Maringolo, N. Pratt and R. Withney All the book material is hosted on https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates so you can contribute! Fix typos and propose new material. We are planning a booklet on Magritte, Reddit in 10 cool classes, Voyage, and Mocking with BabyMock and Mocketry, XML (but we need a writer) and potentially PetitParser. If you have material for a tutorial and you would like to be part of the Pharo Booklet Collection contact S. Ducasse. S. Ducasse

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

Le 02/05/2017 Ã 12:57, horrido a Ã©crit : > I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk > <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02> > . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. > Hi, I like it but I find it too complex for a logo. I think it would be better to have something more "flat" and easy to reproduce. But that's my opinion, I can be wrong :) > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques PrÃ©vert 01, 59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by horrido

<http://forum.world.st/file/n4945251/dreamy-pictures-2x.jpg> ;-) Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote > Ha, ha, > > Good one :-)... Smalltalk and Lisp families are kind of alien for this > world :-), > > Offray > > > On 02/05/17 09:35, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: >> >> 2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo@ > > > <mailto: > emaringolo@ > >>: >> >> I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for >> a design. >> >> Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought >> about when I saw the movie Arrival :) >> ImÃ¡genes integradas 1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Couldn't resist myself... >> >> â >> >> See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :) > > > > image.png (43K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945232/0/image.png> > arrival-pharo-logo.png (43K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945232/1/arrival-pharo-logo.png> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945251.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Ha, ha, Good one :-)... Smalltalk and Lisp families are kind of alien for this world :-), Offray On 02/05/17 09:35, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > > 2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com > <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>>: > > I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for > a design. > > Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought > about when I saw the movie Arrival :) > ImÃ¡genes integradas 1 > > > > > > Couldn't resist myself... > > â > > See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :)

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

I really like the minimalist nature of the "[ | ]" logo for Smalltalk, kind of similar to the lambdas (Î») from Lisp families and is cross-dialect and, as Esteban says, unique. Cheers, Offray On 02/05/17 09:01, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > A decade+ ago I created the one attached, and I've seen used in some > Smalltalk related sites. I still like it but it can be done better. > > I don't like the balloon, it's an indirect reference to the Byte cover > which hasn't much to do with Smalltalk directly; as Pascal triangles > didn't have much to do with Pascal [1] the programming language. > > I think we can play a little more with the brackets which are > something kind of unique to Smalltalk syntax. > > OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. > > Regards, > > > [1] A prevoius cover of Byte Magazine shown Pascal triangles in a > choppy sea, an you could see what later would be the Smalltalk island, > isolated in an "ivory tower" way of looking at the world, and escaping > from the sea problem by avoiding it completely, hence the balloon. > http://70sscifiart.tumblr.com/post/157035900745/pascals-triangle-a-1978-byt… > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2017-05-02 9:06 GMT-03:00 Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com>: >> >> 2017-05-02 13:19 GMT+02:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: >>> Thanks. The reason I think it's a problem is because I tried to use this >>> logo >>> in the Wikipedia Smalltalk article, but the Wikipedia overlords kept >>> rejecting it, telling me that it wasn't an "official" logo and thus >>> Wikipedia would not accept it. What makes a logo "official?" Why are all >>> the >>> other language logos in my article (which I gleaned from Wikipedia) any >>> more >>> "official?" >> >> Interesting angle for the problem (didn't think of that one). >> >> My analysis as I would review. The common agreed logo for smalltalk is a >> rendering of the Byte cover, this makes it the 'official' logo. Your's >> hasn't reached the level of agreement / support necessary to reach that >> level. And Wikipedia isn't the place where this change is to be decided: >> wikipedia will follow the will of the overall community. >> >> Other logos are either endorsed by the community or used by the master site >> for the language: for example, the Caml logo, the Clojure logo, both appeara >> on the 'official' website for the language. For Caml, many alternatives >> logos exist, but none of the alternatives appear on the wikipedia page. >> >> Now, changing a logo requires overcoming some friction(*)... writing around >> Smalltalk and allways tagging with it could be a way to make it popular and >> displace the old one. Your target would be reached once Wikipedia accept >> yours, and that may require ESUG to decide to switch, and so on. >> >> Regards, >> >> Thierry >> >>> >>> >>> Thierry Goubier wrote >>>> Hi Richard, >>>> >>>> 2017-05-02 12:57 GMT+02:00 horrido < >>>> horrido.hobbies@ >>>> >: >>>> >>>>> I have A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk >>>>> >>>>> <https://medium.com/@richardeng/a-logo-proposal-for-smalltalk-e78180f3ec02 >>>> > > >>>> I like it. >>>> >>>> >>>>> . But there is one huge (insurmountable?) obstacle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> If you refer to a standard 'org' that would force the use / change of a >>>> logo, then I see no obstacle. I like it that the multiple shapes >>>> Smalltalk >>>> has have left space for creativity and freedom. >>>> >>>> If your logo is nice and creative enough, and that it can be freely >>>> used, >>>> then it will raise through the community and replace / displace the old >>>> one. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo- >>>>> Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122.html >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945127.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2017-05-02 11:33 GMT-03:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com>: > the lighthouse has come to be closely associated with Pharo. Then it succeeded as an logo. I'd only change its typography. But the logo stays. I'd keep the O the same size as the rest of the letters. Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 2 May 2017, at 16:33, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, but can the lighthouse logo be used to represent all Smalltalks? I don't > think so. I like it very much, but the lighthouse has come to be closely > associated with Pharo. I thought that was obvious: the lighthouse logo is Pharo, not Smalltalk - just to be very clear. I think a stylised balloon is not bad, it just has to be less complex, more logo like, more abstract. > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >>> On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo < > >> emaringolo@ > >> > wrote: >>> >>> OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. >> >> Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO: >> >> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png >> >> >> >> http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png >> >> >> Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing. >> Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with >> many different implementations both commercial and open source. >> >> Sven >> >> >> >> >> icon-512x512.png (127K) >> <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/0/icon-512x512.png> >> icon-lighthouse-512x512.png (47K) >> <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/1/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png> > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945204.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 2 May 2017, at 16:35, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for a design. > > Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought about when I saw the movie Arrival :) > <image.png> > > > > > > Couldn't resist myself... > <arrival-pharo-logo.png> > â > > See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :) > <arrival-pharo.png> Haha, very nice !

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by Esteban A. Maringolo

2017-05-02 11:22 GMT-03:00 Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com>: > I prefer the rounded one more and it follows a better criteria for a > design. > > Also the circle containing the pharo is the first thing I thought about > when I saw the movie Arrival :) > [image: ImÃ¡genes integradas 1] > > > Couldn't resist myself... â See also attached image for Pharo 6 Arrival. :)

May 2, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] A Logo Proposal for Smalltalk

by horrido

Yes, but can the lighthouse logo be used to represent all Smalltalks? I don't think so. I like it very much, but the lighthouse has come to be closely associated with Pharo. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote >> On 2 May 2017, at 16:01, Esteban A. Maringolo < > emaringolo@ > > wrote: >> >> OTOH we have Pharo logo which is nice and unambiguous. > > Indeed, the following 2 are very nice, IMHO: > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-512x512.png > > > > http://files.pharo.org/media/logo/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png > > > Also, 'Smalltalk' is not one thing, just like 'Lisp' is not one thing. > Both are families of technologies that have evolved over decades, with > many different implementations both commercial and open source. > > Sven > > > > > icon-512x512.png (127K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/0/icon-512x512.png> > icon-lighthouse-512x512.png (47K) > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4945184/1/icon-lighthouse-512x512.png> -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/A-Logo-Proposal-for-Smalltalk-tp4945122p4945204.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

May 2, 2017