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Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

by stepharong

Thanks you all. The idea is that we want to see how we cn improve our debugging arsenal. So it is important that your scenario give use some hints. It is difficult to convey what we are really looking for :) > Hi guys > > During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most > difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would > have helped you. > > Stef -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

by Igor Stasenko

I don't think my reply will be anything useful, but as to me the most craziest bug is metabug, i.e. when system doesn't provides any means to debug things. :) As for regular bugs .. it is quite hard to remember anything i wasn't able to deal with, given enough time & effort, and then emphasize single case over the rest. And since human brains tend to forget unpleasant things, there's not much details to tell and remember. On 9 March 2017 at 13:36, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys > > During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most > difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would have > helped you. > > Stef > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

by stepharong

excellent!!!! On Thu, 09 Mar 2017 11:02:59 +0100, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, I added http://pharo.org/TechTalk This is linked from > http://pharo.org/community The idea is to keep a log of all past tech > talks with links to the archival recording (if there is one). >Marcus -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

March 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

by Sean P. DeNigris

kilon.alios wrote > https://discord.gg/F6nAd That link does not work. The new one is http://discord.gg/Sj2rhxn ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Moving-from-Slack-to-Discord-tp4914751p4938020.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

March 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] What is the craziest bug you ever face

by Max Leske

Fixing a race condition in handling open sockets when forking an image. At first I had no clue where the problem could come from, then I spent a lot of time guessing at the conditions (of course, being a race condition there was no means to force the specific condition but I didn't know that yet). Over all I spent about 6 weeks on this bug and finally fixed it by creating a new primitive to handle that specific case. I'm not sure what tools could have helped me as this was a rather specific problem (OSProcess). But the hardest problems in my experience are usually concurrency / asynchrony (e.g. race conditions) or bugs in libraries (where you always assume that you must have made a mistake, never the library). Max > On 9 Mar 2017, at 12:36, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi guys > > During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would have helped you. > > Stef

March 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Voyage and Date

by Hilaire

March 9, 2017

Test for Voyage failure to materialize in some situation

by Hilaire

Hi , Here is a test case to expose the materialization problem I discussed previously[1]. Hopefully the test will help to track the problem. Note: With memory repository it is of course fine, so MongoDB resource is needed for the test. Hilaire http://forum.world.st/Voyage-and-instances-retrieving-tt4936868.html -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu

March 9, 2017

<Programming> 2017: Call for participation

by Tim Molderez

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March 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] What is the craziest bug you ever face

by Nicolai Hess

2017-03-09 12:36 GMT+01:00 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com>: > Hi guys > > During the DSU workshop we were brainstorming about what are the most > difficult bugs we faced and what are the conceptual tools that would have > helped you. > > Stef > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14332/use-ast-not-parseTree-so-we-benefit… Running a RBLintRule modified the (cached) AST of this methods code. So, even if the compiled method did not changed, and the "real" source code did not changed, you actually see the source code from the modified AST. There are a couple of things which went wrong resp. make this bug difficult: 1. A LintRule that just should *check* the code, actually created a transformation somewhere behind the scene (Ok, it is a RBTransformationRule, and originally used for code refactoring as well) 2. As long as we *analyze* code, the real code (string/ast/source) should be considered immutable 3. the modified AST was cached 4. what-you-see-is-not-what-you-get. We are (or I am) used to consider the system browser a tool for view and edit methods source code. If the code we see isn't actually the methods source, but another representation of some kind of (cached) model (formatted AST-node-source code), it would be good to have some way to indicate this (switch between "raw"-code / model-code / ast-node-code).

March 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Archive Page for Pharo TechTalks

by Dimitris Chloupis

I live to serve :D On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 2:40 PM Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > thanks @kilon, I will upload them to youtube and add to list/archive > > On 9 Mar 2017, at 13:07, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I kept the first few talks in this repo > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pharo-techtalks/tree/master > > I have mentioned it before but I mention it once again to remind people or > maybe you want to add those to the website. Its easy to link directly to > each audio file if you want. > > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 1:14 PM Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > â¦ and I moved techtalks from http://pharo.org/community to > http://pharo.org/documentation (because I think it belongs there). > > Esteban > > > On 9 Mar 2017, at 11:56, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > and I made a youtube playlist: > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4actYd6bfnx8l8cqYWhdNB6gJgRvk5sH > > cheers, > Esteban > > On 9 Mar 2017, at 11:02, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi, > > I added > > http://pharo.org/TechTalk > > This is linked from http://pharo.org/community > > The idea is to keep a log of all past tech talks with links to the > archival recording (if there is one). > > Marcus > > > > >

March 9, 2017