November 2017 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Smalltalk Argument

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Peter, our mail provider decided to move all of the pharo mailing list messages to the spam folder, so I haven't seen many messages in the last days. I was already starting to wonder why nobody ever answered my posts ;-) Your smalltalk express idea sounds interesting. I look forward to trying it. Joachim Am 20.10.17 um 16:21 schrieb Peter Fisk: > Thank you Joachim! > > That is the most honest assessment of the situation of Smalltalk in > 2017 that I have ever seen. > > And I agree with you 100%. > > We need a new Smalltalk which is both "cool" and can seamlessly > integrate with all of the latest web technologies. > > I will be releasing a new Smalltalk framework very shortly called > "Smalltalk Express". > > The interpreter is written in the "Go" language and can run on all of > the major web platforms such as Google, Heroku, etc. > > I use Pharo to manage the Smalltalk code. > > Here is a new blog that I have started to discuss the project. > > https://smalltalkexpress.quora.com/ > > Also, I have reserved the web address "smalltalk.express" for use once > the code goes live. > > There is a video in the blog post so you can get an idea of where > things stand right now. > > -- Peter > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 3:23 AM, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de > <mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de > <mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de>> wrote: > > First of all: I'd say the question itself is not a question but an > excuse. I am not arguing there are enough Smalltalkers or cheap > ones. But I think the question is just a way of saying "we don't > want to do it for reasons that we ourselves cannot really > express". If you are a good developer, learning Smalltalk is easy. > If you are a good developer you've heard the sentence "we've taken > the goos parts from x,y,z and Smalltalk" at least twice a year. So > you most likely would like to learn it anyways. > > A shortage of developers doesn't exist. What exists is an > unwillingness of companies to get people trained in a technology. > If Smalltalk was cool and great in their opinion, they wouldn't > care. It's that simple. As a consultant, I've heard that argument > so often. Not ferom Startups, but from insurance companies, Banks > or Car manufacturers who spend millions on useless, endless > meetings and stuff instead of just hiring somebody to teach a > couple of developers Smalltalk. It's just a lie: the shortage of > Smalltalk developers is not a problem. > > And, to be honest: what is it we actually are better in by using > Smalltalk? > Can we build cool looking web apps in extremely short time? No. > Can we build mobile Apps with little effort? No. > Does our Smalltalk ship lots of great libraries for all kinds of > things that are not availabel in similar quality in any other > language? > Are we lying when we say we are so extremely over-productive as > compared to other languages? > > I know, all that live debugging stuff and such is great and it is > much faster to find & fix a bug in Smalltalk than in any other > environment I've used so far. But that is really only true for > business code. When I need to connect to things or want to build a > modern GUI or a web application with a great look&feel, I am > nowhere near productive, because I simply have to build my own > stuff or learn how to use other external resources. If I want to > build something for a mobile device, I will only hear that > somebody somewhere has done it before. No docs, no proof, no > ready-made tool for me. > > > Shortage of developers is not really the problem. If Smalltalk was > as cool as we like to make ourselves believe, this problem would > be non-existent. If somebody took out their iPad and told an > audience: "We did this in Smalltalk in 40% of the time it would > have taken in Swift", and if that something was a must-have for > people, things would be much easier. But nobody has. > > > I am absolutely over-exaggerating, because I make my living with > an SaaS product written in Smalltalk (not Pharo). I have lots of > fun with Smalltalk and - as you - am convince that many parts of > what we've done so far would've taken much longer or even be > impossible in other languages. But the advantage was eaten by our > extremely steep learning curve for web technologies and for > building something that works almost as well as tools like Angular > or jQuery Mobile. > > Smalltalk is cool, and the day somebody shows me something like > Google's flutter in Smalltalk, I am ready to bet a lot on a bright > future for Smalltalk. But until then, I'd say these arguments > about productivity are just us trying to make ourselves believe > we're still the top of the food chain. We've done that for almost > thirty years now and still aren't ready to stop it. But we've been > lying to ourselves and still do so. > > I don't think there is a point in discussing about the usefulness > of a language using an argument like the number or ready-made > developers. That is just an argument they know you can't win. The > real question is and should be: what is the benefit of using > Smalltalk. Our productivity argument is a lie as soon as we have > to build something that uses or runs on technology that has been > invented after 1990. > > > Okay, shoot ;-) > > Joachim > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim TuchelÂ Â Â Â Â > mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de <mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de> > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com > <http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com> > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 <tel:%2B49%207141%2056%2010%2086%200> > Â Â Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 <tel:%2B49%207141%2056%2010%2086%201> > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg http://joachimtuchel.wordpress.com Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0Â Â Â Â Â Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Nov. 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?

by Andrew Glynn

Iâll be honest, when I had to do presentations I cheated and used Director. Granted that was long enough ago that it was still Macromedia Director â¦ Andrew Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 6:02 PM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? Hi Tim, I did a presentation long time ago (for Squeak Fest 2007) using Etoys (in fact I knew little more that Etoys for teaching, modeling and programming in Smalltalk, and after that, my Smalltalk learning/practice froze until 2014!). Of course, is not what you're looking for, because is not Pharo based, but may be it can give you some ideas. You can download the image from [1] and run it using Squeak 4., from Squeakland, at [2]. Below you can see some screenshots of such presentation, including running a simulation inside it. [1] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/offray-maestria-tesis/home [2] http://www.squeakland.org/download/ For my early days, when I discovered Smalltalk back in 2006, to my return 3 years ago, it has been kind of strange to see Smalltalkers making presentations about dynamic mediums using static slides (and not much have changed in 10 years!). I would like to explore using mind mapping as a way of making presentations in Pharo (to support my usual way of presentation using Freeplane[3]). [3] http://freeplane.org/ Cheers, Offray On 01/11/17 13:35, Tim Mackinnon wrote: Hi - has anyone made anything where you can create a full screen presentation in Pharo with slides with some large text, bullet points and embedded pictures - but then itâs a facade that lets you evaluate items in the slide or jump to any code mentioned? Sort of like what Alan Kay does in the eToys images? I need to do a presentation next week and I always loved it when I was fooled into thinking I was looking at a staticâish powerpoint and then suddenly realised it was a live environment. It doesnât sound that hard to do something simple - but Iâm not sure if I can pull it off in time for my presentation. But am curious if we have something. (For bonus points, GT-Spotter stuff would work in it over top of the presentation to demonstrate simple things) Tim

Nov. 6, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi Tim, I did a presentation long time ago (for Squeak Fest 2007) using Etoys (in fact I knew little more that Etoys for teaching, modeling and programming in Smalltalk, and after that, my Smalltalk learning/practice froze until 2014!). Of course, is not what you're looking for, because is not Pharo based, but may be it can give you some ideas. You can download the image from [1] and run it using Squeak 4., from Squeakland, at [2]. Below you can see some screenshots of such presentation, including running a simulation inside it. [1] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/offray-maestria-tesis/home [2] http://www.squeakland.org/download/ For my early days, when I discovered Smalltalk back in 2006, to my return 3 years ago, it has been kind of strange to see Smalltalkers making presentations about dynamic mediums using static slides (and not much have changed in 10 years!). I would like to explore using mind mapping as a way of making presentations in Pharo (to support my usual way of presentation using Freeplane[3]). [3] http://freeplane.org/ Cheers, Offray On 01/11/17 13:35, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Hi - has anyone made anything where you can create a full screen presentation in Pharo with slides with some large text, bullet points and embedded pictures - but then itâs a facade that lets you evaluate items in the slide or jump to any code mentioned? > > Sort of like what Alan Kay does in the eToys images? > > I need to do a presentation next week and I always loved it when I was fooled into thinking I was looking at a staticâish powerpoint and then suddenly realised it was a live environment. > > It doesnât sound that hard to do something simple - but Iâm not sure if I can pull it off in time for my presentation. But am curious if we have something. > > (For bonus points, GT-Spotter stuff would work in it over top of the presentation to demonstrate simple things) > > Tim >

Nov. 5, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Learn2 by the Grav people is very pleasant. I don't know if it is Grav only. Here are some examples and the repo: [1] https://github.com/getgrav/grav-theme-learn2 [2] http://learn.hibbittsdesign.org/ [3] https://learn.getgrav.org/ Cheers, Offray On 05/11/17 13:23, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: > Le 05/11/2017 Ã 17:45, Stephane Ducasse a Ã©critÂ : >> Hi >> >> Iâm looking for a nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version. >> >> I found something like that >> https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2015/02/designers-start-coding-with-uilang/ >> > Hi, > > I was looking for a theme not long ago and I found this one: > > https://github.com/xriley/PrettyDocs-Theme > > demo: > > https://themes.3rdwavemedia.com/demo/prettydocs/ > > >> Stef >> -------------------------------------------- >> StÃ©phane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr >> http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Julie Jonas >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> >

Nov. 5, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version?

by Cyril Ferlicot D.

Le 05/11/2017 Ã 17:45, Stephane Ducasse a Ã©critÂ : > Hi > > Iâm looking for a nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version. > > I found something like that > https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2015/02/designers-start-coding-with-uilang/ > Hi, I was looking for a theme not long ago and I found this one: https://github.com/xriley/PrettyDocs-Theme demo: https://themes.3rdwavemedia.com/demo/prettydocs/ > Stef > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr > http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Julie Jonas > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > -- Cyril Ferlicot https://ferlicot.fr http://www.synectique.eu 2 rue Jacques PrÃ©vert 01, 59650 Villeneuve d'ascq France

Nov. 5, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version?

by Andrew Glynn

Another couple that occurred to me were academia.edu and medium.com. It also occurred to me that I must be fond of a very minimalist look â¦ lol. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Stephane Ducasse Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 11:46 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome; Pharo Development List Subject: [Pharo-users] nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version? Hi Iâm looking for a nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version. I found something like that https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2015/02/designers-start-coding-with-uilang/ Stef -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

Nov. 5, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Embedded PDF viewer?

by Andrew Glynn

Evince is pretty easy to embed. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: tesonep(a)gmail.com Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 10:25 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Embedded PDF viewer? Hello Ben,Â Â Â UFFI does not allow you to call static libraries. Static libraries are not executable per se, they need to be linked in another program. As I know, the only way of using an static library from Pharo is to: Â - Build a plugin that wraps it. Â - Build a DLL exposing all the functions in the library and then they are used through UFFI.Â The second option is the easiest to me, but it depends how the library is built up. For example, if the library uses a lot of compile time code generation (like macros or templates) making a generic DLL is not so easy.Â I think it is better to see if not other project has already tackle this problem when using the desired static library.Â Cheers, Pablo On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 1:39 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: I'm looking into calling PDFium from Pharo via FFI. Currently I'm stalled a bit since it doesn't have a shared-library target. If you consider access to such a library would be useful to the community,Â please take a few moments to star this issue... https://bugs.chromium.org/p/pdfium/issues/detail?id=826 cheers -ben P.S. Can anyone comment on calling into a static library via FFI? On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Manuel Leuenberger > <leuenberger(a)inf.unibe.ch> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to view a PDF within Pharo. I found that Athens has a PDF canvas, but I have no idea how to use it. Is there a way to view a PDF within Pharo, so that I can scroll, zoom, click links etc. in the PDF? > > > > Cheers, > > Manuel On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:04 AM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi manuel > > So far I do not know if we have this is Pharo. > I imagine that we would have to build a renderer once we will have the > PDF reader from Christian library. > > Stef [Edit: Update license link] Â A renderer will have great synergy with PDFTalk, but I think a proof of concept can be done independently. I've been poking at this topic for a while looking for options.Â Coincidentally a couple of days I discovered the PDFium library.Â I haven't had time yet to give it a run, but it seems a good candidate since... * Its a successful commercial product by Foxit built into Chrome converted to open source with Google's backing for use in Chromium Â Â Â Â https://www.foxitsoftware.com/company/press.php?id=305 Â * Its license is BSD styleÂ Â Â Â Â https://github.com/hfiguiere/pdfium/blob/master/LICENSE * Although written in C++ it has a C interface Â Â Â https://github.com/hfiguiere/pdfium/blob/master/public/fpdfview.h Â Â Â * Search here on Â " Function: " Â to skim through Â Â Â * Proof of concept seems to only need these key functions... Â Â Â Â Â Â * void Â Â FPDF_RenderPageBitmap( FPDF_BITMAP bitmap,FPDF_PAGE page, ... ) Â Â Â Â Â * FPDF_BITMAP Â Â FPDFBitmap_Create( int width, int height, int alpha); Â Â Â Â Â * FPDF_PAGE Â FPDF_LoadPage Â ( FPDF_DOCUMENT document, int page_index ) Â Â Â Â Â * FPDF_DOCUMENT Â FPDF_LoadMemDocument Â ( const void* data_buf ... ) Â Â Â Â Â * void Â Â FPDF_InitLibrary () Â Â * Has a concise getting started for POC...Â Â Â Â https://github.com/hfiguiere/pdfium/blob/master/docs/getting-started.md * Maybe useful fork with V8 disabled by defaultÂ Â Â Â https://github.com/klokantech/pdfiumÂ * Master repo here Â Â Â https://pdfium.googlesource.com/pdfium/ So Pharo might load a PDF file into a ByteArray, pass that to FPDF_LoadMemDocument() & FPDF_LoadPage(),Â then get a bitmap back from FPDFBitmap_Create() & FPDF_RenderPageBitmap() and display the result in a Pharo window. The rest of this week I'm working 12 hour days on a mine site.Â I could try it out once I'm home, but in the meantime is anyone else keen to try it?Â cheers -ben -- Pablo Tesone. tesonep(a)gmail.com

Nov. 5, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo7.0a] Next batch of enhancements

by PBKResearch

I donât see why there is a flame potential here; I certainly wonât start a flame war. My previous post was a bit heated, as a protest against the abuse of language; removing a facility may make Pharo easier to maintain, but it is not an enhancement for the user. I wasnât aware that the theme is broken; it seems to work well whenever I use it. It may be that I am the only one weird enough to continue with this theme (which was the standard Pharo theme when I first met it). If so, I shall have to accept the majority view. I shall keep a note of the .st package you supplied, and try filing it in when I have to move on to Pharo 7. I donât think keeping it as an optional extra will really work. It will be an orphan, because no-one other than the existing Pharo maintainers will have the knowledge to maintain it. It will presumably only need maintenance if there is some change in the superclass UITheme, and only those responsible for the change will know where the consequential effects will be seen. There is one possibility which occurs to me. You have presumably refactored the subclasses of UITheme, so that it no longer matters to the other themes whether watery is present or absent. So you could file it in again, marking it as deprecated and not to be maintained, and strange people like me could use it at our own risk. When some other change occurs which makes this theme irretrievably broken, perhaps in Pharo 8, 9 or 10, it could then be deleted. Definitely no flame â just a serious suggestion of a compromise. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Pavel Krivanek Sent: 05 November 2017 12:48 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo7.0a] Next batch of enhancements Removing of the Watery theme is an enhancement in sense of "cleanup". The code was not maintained and partly broken. To have this theme in the image was a problem for management of the two default Pharo themes because the Watery theme was superclass of them and added a significant level of complexity and mess. But let's be positive. I can imagine that this thread has a huge flame potential so I spent a few minutes to prepare Watery Theme as a standalone package (see the attached *.st file). And no, it was not a simple file-out operation. So I hope that people that want to use the Watery Theme will rather discuss in what repository to place it and who will maintain it. In Pharo we want to focus on two basic themes - one white and one dark. We simply see no reason why this theme should not be an optional external package. Cheers, -- Pavel 2017-11-05 12:00 GMT+01:00 PBKResearch <peter(a)pbkresearch.co.uk <mailto:peter@pbkresearch.co.uk> >: I waded through the list of 'enhancements', and was astonished to find this. Is there to be an alternative way of producing the same appearance as the 'Watery' theme? If not, how can the removal of a facility be called an 'enhancement'? I always switch to this theme when I load a new image, because I find the plain buttons in the standard theme ugly. I managed to find the fogbugz entry - not easy, because it has been closed, so clicking on the link gives 404 - and it just says 'UIThemeWatery should be removed according to the current Pharo 7 plans.' I can't recall seeing these plans put up for discussion; if I had, I would certainly have protested then. Does having this theme as an option cause any problems elsewhere, so as to justify removing a facility. If not, can I put in a plea to have this so-called enhancement reverted? It has been installed only a week ago, so it can't be a major problem. Peter Kenny -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org> ] On Behalf Of Stephane Ducasse Sent: 05 November 2017 09:08 To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org> >; Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-users] [Pharo7.0a] Next batch of enhancements Report period: 23 October 2017 to 5 November 2017 * 20587-remove-UIThemeWatery >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20587-remove-UIThemeWatery Issue URL: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20587 PR URL: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/395 Diff URL: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/395/files Thanks to pavel-krivanek

Nov. 5, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] LiteratureResearcher - where graphs, PDFs, andBibTex happily live together

by Andrew Glynn

Iâve used PDFMiner and pypdf2xml previously and both are easier to use now that Atlas is available. Both work well, though XPdf (in C++) is faster. http://www.unixuser.org/~euske/python/pdfminer/ https://github.com/zejn/pypdf2xml pdf2xml (also Python) is slightly quicker than pypdf2xml but doesnât handle Type 2 fonts properly. From: Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 12:29 PM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] LiteratureResearcher - where graphs, PDFs, andBibTex happily live together I share Manuel's view about delegating some functionality to external apps, like a PDF reader, the web browser or even Pandoc. There is a lot of external mature stuff out there and we can gain users from there if we make bridges to the stuff they already know and use. For example, I would like to try the Pharo-Chrome integration and also the Hypothesis JSON API to annotate and read PDF/HTML. Cheers, Offray On 02/11/17 13:49, Manuel Leuenberger wrote: Hi Dimitris, I looked around for a way to integrate PDF into Pharo. But as long as we donât have a way to natively display interactive multimedia (maybe Bloc will at some point support something like this?), I consider it not worth the effort to come up with a half-baked (note to self: watch that movie again) solution that is hard to implement and cannot even remotely support all the use cases as an external tool that have been crafted for years. Just rendering bitmaps loses so much information (full text) and actionability (hyperlinks). If I wanted to have interactive PDFs inside Pharo, I had to invest so much time to replicate functionality that has been implemented before. So, I chose the path of the least resistance by pushing this responsibility to a specialized tool. I think Pharo is great for modelling, exploration, and inspection, but OS integration is not really a selling point, and it doesnât have to be. By using a standard PDF viewer I also gain that users are already familiar with them and have their own workflow that I can extend. As a side note, I think that being able to embed a web browser inside Pharo would open up a whole new world of applications, as web browsers are currently the vehicles for content distribution. But as long as there is no project where this is a critical feature, I can live without it. Cheers, Manuel On 1 Nov 2017, at 22:39, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: Super cool more detailed recommendations when I try it on practice A cheap pdf viewer in Pharo would be to turn pdf pages to JPG images which you can load via image morph so you wonât have to have two separate windows. There are ton of converters out there that can do this. On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 at 23:17, Manuel Leuenberger <leuenberger(a)inf.unibe.ch> wrote: Hi everyone, I was experimenting in the last few weeks with my take on literature research. For me, the corpus of scientific papers form an interconnected graph, not those plain lists and tables we keep in our bibliographies. So, here is the first prototype that has Google Scholar integration for search, can fetch PDFs from IEEE and ACM, extracts metadata from PDFs - all this results in hyperlinked PDFs! See a demo here:Â https://youtu.be/EcK3Pt_WnEw Also slides from the SCG seminar here:Â http://scg.unibe.ch/download/softwarecomposition/2017-10-31-Leuenberger-ILE… I plan on packaging it, so that those who are interested can check it out themselves (help wanted!). Currently, it only works on macOS. What do you think of my approach? Which use cases should be added? Cheers, Manuel

Nov. 5, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version?

by Andrew Glynn

It looks a bit busy, though not ridiculously so. Of the sites I can think of, parts.com has one of the nicest LaFâs. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Stephane Ducasse Sent: Sunday, November 5, 2017 11:46 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome; Pharo Development List Subject: [Pharo-users] nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version? Hi Iâm looking for a nice CSS for the Pharo online HTML version. I found something like that https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2015/02/designers-start-coding-with-uilang/ Stef -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr http://www.synectique.eu / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Julie Jonas FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

Nov. 5, 2017