November 2017 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] PharoLauncher directories

by Christophe Demarey

Hi Stefan, > Le 8 nov. 2017 Ã 15:56, stephan <stephan(a)stack.nl> a Ã©crit : > > I run into all kinds of issues with the directory structure used by the new PharoLauncher. pharo-local seems to be shared now for multiple images. I never saw this issue. PharoLauncher does not have influence on the pharo-local directory of launched images. pharo-local directory is located in the same directory as the image run. in a Pharo 6.1 image: localDirectory ^ self class userLocalDirectory ifNil: [ (self imageDirectory / self class defaultLocalDirectoryName) ensureCreateDirectory ] userLocalDirectory ^ UserLocalDirectory ifNil: [ FileLocator workingDirectory / self defaultLocalDirectoryName ] Maybe you run Pharo 7 images and this change Â« Build #203: 05723-Default-Working-Directory Â» has a side effect? > That makes using configurations practically impossible as they are not expecting to have to deal with pre-downloaded older and newer monticello files. The missing sources files is less of a problem. > > Stephan > >

Nov. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?

by Norbert Hartl

Everytime I read such discussions I wonder what happened to the Sophie code. There be might be some gems in it to achieve what you want Norbert > Am 09.11.2017 um 03:49 schrieb Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com>: > > I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor. > > Cheers, > > Offray > >> On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote: >> I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others. >> >> Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know. >> >> Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing. >> >> Andrew Glynn >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >> Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM >> To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? >> >> >> >> On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: >> > Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote >> >> The idea of slides seems >> >> pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. >> > Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :) >> > >> >> Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with >> animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by >> bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind >> maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a >> Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2]. >> >> [1] >> http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg >> [2] >> http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> >

Nov. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?

by Andrew Glynn

I was thinking of using it more for ideas of what works / what doesnât. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 9:50 PM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor. Cheers, Offray On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote: I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content.Â It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others. Â Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build.Â If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know. Â Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing. Â Andrew Glynn Â Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Â From: Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? Â Â Â On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote >> The idea of slides seems >> pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. > Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :) >Â Â Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2]. Â [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm Â Cheers, Â Offray Â Â

Nov. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

I remember using CompendiumNG some time ago, but not for presentations. Hopefully, we will have something better, with metamedium capabilities, including embedding other media and make it programmable in Pharo, without going to the "disastrous" slide metaphor. Cheers, Offray On 08/11/17 20:31, Andrew Glynn wrote: > > I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I > tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can > contain any content, including multimedia content.Â It was an Open > University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the > Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked > and continued by others. > > Â > > Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although > itâs easy to build.Â If you just wanted the installer jar to try it > out though let me know. > > Â > > Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for > Adobeâs pricing. > > Â > > Andrew Glynn > > Â > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > Â > > *From: *Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <mailto:offray.luna@mutabit.com> > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM > *To: *pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> > *Subject: *Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations > in Pharo? > > Â > > Â > > Â > > On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > > Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote > > >> The idea of slides seems > > >> pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. > > > Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :) > > >Â > > Â > > Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with > > animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by > > bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind > > maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a > > Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2]. > > Â > > [1] > > http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg > > [2] > > http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm > > Â > > Cheers, > > Â > > Offray > > Â > > Â >

Nov. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo?

by Andrew Glynn

I agree with you â on the rare occasions I do still do presentations I tend to use CompendiumNG, which is similar to a mind map but can contain any content, including multimedia content. It was an Open University project but was used sufficiently elsewhere that when the Open University decided they were done with it the project was forked and continued by others. Itâs written in Java, currently I believe thereâs no binary although itâs easy to build. If you just wanted the installer jar to try it out though let me know. Honestly though Iâd probably still use Director if it werenât for Adobeâs pricing. Andrew Glynn Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 7:45 AM To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Writing "powerpoint" like presentations in Pharo? On 07/11/17 19:39, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas-2 wrote >> The idea of slides seems >> pretty anachronistic/boring for making presentations. > Amen, brother! Alan Kay would be proud :) > Maybe. I refer the whole aesthetics of slides (even the ones with animations or simulations). You go in slide at the time, bullet point by bullet point, loosing context and perspective. My usual approach is mind maps. In [1] you can see the exported SVG version of the one I use in a Grafoscopio workshop. Source code is in [2]. [1] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.svg [2] http://mutabit.com/grafoscopio/Docs/En/Talks/Overview/grafoscopio-mapa.mm Cheers, Offray

Nov. 9, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Soup bug(fix)

by PBKResearch

Kjell Almost certainly the HTML files will not contain the code for the actual pictures; they will just contain an âhrefâ node with the address to load the picture file from. If the web pages are built to a regular pattern, you should be able to parse them and locate the href nodes you want. I havenât found any problem with the parse from XMLHTMLParser taking up too much memory. My machine has 4GB ram; if you have much less than that, you might have trouble. If you have found a systematic way to locate the picture file, you could minimise the size of the DOM the parser creates, by using a streaming parser. The streaming version of Montyâs parser is called StAXHTMLParser. I have a bit of experience playing with these parsers. If you get stuck, ask again here with more details; I may be able to help. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Kjell Godo Sent: 08 November 2017 23:00 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Soup bug(fix) i like to collect some newspaper comics from an online newspaper but it takes really long to do it by hand by hand i tried Soup but i didnât get anywhere the pictures were hidden behind a script or something is there anything to do about that? i donât want to collect them all i have the XPath .pdf but i havenât read it yet these browsers seem to gobble up memory and while open they just keep getting bigger till the OS session crash might there be a browser that is more minimal? Vivaldi seems better at not bloating up RAM

Nov. 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Soup bug(fix)

by Kjell Godo

i like to collect some newspaper comics from an online newspaper but it takes really long to do it by hand by hand i tried Soup but i didnât get anywhere the pictures were hidden behind a script or something is there anything to do about that? i donât want to collect them all i have the XPath .pdf but i havenât read it yet these browsers seem to gobble up memory and while open they just keep getting bigger till the OS session crash might there be a browser that is more minimal? Vivaldi seems better at not bloating up RAM

Nov. 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Soup bug(fix)

by PBKResearch

Siemen Stef should have added that XPath depends on using Monty's XMLParser suite. I tried your snippet on XMLDOMParser, and it parses correctly. I always use XMLHTMLParser for parsing HTML, because I can always see the exact relationship between the parsed structure and the original HTML. With Soup I often found the match difficult or even impossible. HTH Peter Kenny -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Stephane Ducasse Sent: 08 November 2017 21:19 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Soup bug(fix) Hi Siemen let me know your loging and I can add you to commit. Paul is also taking care of Soup. Now I like XPath for scraping. Did you see the tutorial I wrote with Peter. STef On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > who maintains Soup, the HTML parser? Stef? > > It seems to auto-close <button> (and <a>) tags when nested inside > another element. I wrote this test that fails: > > testNestedButton > "this works with nested <div> tags instead of <button> and when > there is no enclosing <div> at all. but here <button> is auto-closed." > > "a does not work either" > > | soup | > soup := Soup > fromString: > '<div><button> > <span>text</span> > </button> > </div>'. > self assert: soup div button span string equals: 'text' > > ---- > > > Where should I look to prevent Soup from auto-closing the tag, and > where & how should I submit my fix? > > cheers, > Siemen

Nov. 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Soup bug(fix)

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi Siemen let me know your loging and I can add you to commit. Paul is also taking care of Soup. Now I like XPath for scraping. Did you see the tutorial I wrote with Peter. STef On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > who maintains Soup, the HTML parser? Stef? > > It seems to auto-close <button> (and <a>) tags when nested inside another > element. I wrote this test that fails: > > testNestedButton > "this works with nested <div> tags instead of <button> and when there is > no enclosing <div> at all. but here <button> is auto-closed." > > "a does not work either" > > | soup | > soup := Soup > fromString: > '<div><button> > <span>text</span> > </button> > </div>'. > self assert: soup div button span string equals: 'text' > > ---- > > > Where should I look to prevent Soup from auto-closing the tag, and where & > how should I submit my fix? > > cheers, > Siemen

Nov. 8, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] QCMagritte on Github

by stephan

On 08-11-17 20:53, Tobias Pape wrote: > Modulo time, as always. If the convex hull of the dependencies need > too much changes for other platforms, I might have to drop that > endeavor :/ And I trust you'll complain about our lack of responsible dependency management in that case Stephan

Nov. 8, 2017