November 2017 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort

by horrido

Looks like we may have a taker! You're my Doctor Who regeneration. :-) I'm in earnest. If someone can take over the marketing duties, I'll be glad to step down. I just don't want to see Smalltalk slip back into obscurity. Remember what marketing is all about:attracting eyeballs; raising curiosity; precipitating discussion; appealling to emotionality. Marketing is not about pumping out technical articles. We've seen plenty of those over the years and they've done squat to promote Smalltalk. Can anyone show me one technical article in the past 20 years that has garnered more than 10,000 pageviews? I've published eight such articles in the past 3 years! I want someone to continue doing this. Publish articles on a regular basis that draw attention to Pharo and Smalltalk. Inspire interest. Get them excited. Make Pharo the next iPhone! aglynn42 wrote > Hereâs a list of the articles @ https://medium.com/@dasein42/latest, in > case any catch your eye: > > Latest > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 14 > âDynamics Trumps Semanticsâ: Why Java is Easy to Learn, but Difficult to > be Good at. > > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 8 > IoT Initiativeââââlittle brotherâ > > The core notion behind âlittle brotherâ is to overcome the inevitable lag > between the increase inâ¦ > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 7 > Software Developer Tooling: Then and Now > > While my criticisms of current tooling for development are often met with > an attitude ofâ¦ > Read moreâ¦ > > 6 > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 5 > > The Inverted Ambiguity of the Post-Modern Public, or Not > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 5 > Someone Was Asking About Devops â¦ > > Someone I know was asking me about devops the other day, particularly the > number and variety ofâ¦ > Read moreâ¦ > > 5 > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 5 > Reality and the âSimpleâ True, or the True-in-Itself, or the Truth > > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 5 > What is Intended by the term âObject-Orientedâ? > > Read moreâ¦ > > 1 > 1 response > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 4 > Pharo Smalltalk as a DSL Without a DSL > > If anyone has written a DSL in Eclipse, for example, simply the base > projects Eclipseâ¦ > Read moreâ¦ > > 22 > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 4 > > Tooling: Design of Meta and Underlying Rationale > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 2 > > How the Results of Disruption Changes the Discussion Between Aficionados > of Specific Languages and Environments > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 2 > Disrupted Software the Disrupted Software Industry Uses to Build > Disruptive Software > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 2 > Software is Virtual; the Virtual is Disruptive; Software Disrupts the > Development of Software > Read moreâ¦ > > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Nov 2 > Three Comments from a Conversation on a Mailing List > Read moreâ¦ > > 10 > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Oct 28 > Reasons â¦ and Reasons , How the Software Industry Turns its Issues into > Subscriptions > > Read moreâ¦ > > 12 > > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Oct 19 > A Commentary On Three Quotes From âWorking on the Go Team at Googleâ > (https://medium.com/@ljrudberg/working-on-the-go-team-at-google-917b2c8d35ff) > âFirst, a little bit about myself: I am 23 years old, less than two years > out of my undergrad degree at UWâ¦ > Read moreâ¦ > > 1 response > Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn > Andrew Glynn > Oct 11 > Building-With Versus Building-On: > Improving Software Development Incrementally > Three articles and a doctoral thesis that I came across or had pointed out > to me recently deal with the state of the software industry from different > angles. However different they are, they do relate, and by putting themâ¦ > > > From: Dimitris Chloupis > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:10 AM > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort > > > First of all, you need to understand that this article, like nearly all of > my other articles, is about /marketing/. I've never made any bones about > this. > > If you know anything about marketing, you know that it involves > exaggeration > and hyperbole. It sometimes involves bending the truth. The point of > marketing is to persuade on an emotional level, not a logical one. > > This is exactly what companies like Apple and Microsoft do. If you think > Apple ads tell the absolute truth, then you are terribly naive. > > So, is Pharo being used to fight Ebola? Not exactly, but who cares? I'm > trying to change people's perception. I'm trying to *move* them. If I have > to exaggerate, I will do so. > > Actually there is a guy that I know that he actually cares > > very much > > he is calledÂ > > "Mr Law" > > When a marketing , bends the truth and especially when it lies under UK, > GreekÂ and European Law is called "fraud" and it punishable under > crimininal (jail time) and civil (compensation for damaged cause by > fraudalent marketing) law. The penalties can be extemely severe if the > fraud caused a substantial amount of damage in some way. > > Under those legal systems I have studied (I am a lawyer) the only case > that someone is allowed to lie is when he defiends himself. If you ever > wondered how its possible lawyers to lie , now you know. Lying and bending > the truth in this case is a legal principe set since ancient times by law > to provide extra pressure to prove the a party is guilty. Its called > "proof beyond reasonable doubt" and isÂ a very important legal principle.Â > > Outside that, say I submited a document as a defense lawyer that is edited > or changed in some way , its fraud and especially fraud against the court > is even more punished. If a witeness , exaggerates , bends the truth and > especially if he or she lies, its fraud and the court can send him straigh > to jail with his lawyer. > > Apple certainly does not do what you. > Â > Actually Apple goes to great lenghts proving its claims , usually when > Apple says "iPhone has a battery of 10 hours" you will see an asterisk > that will point you to small letters in the bottom of the page that says > exactly under which conditions 10 hours can be achieved.Â > > On the other hand its use of words like "magical" is not of objective > value and by no means can misled or tell a lie because well, magic does > not exist. The law assumes the a person has at least average intelligence > and knowledge (exceptions of course people with mental disablities).Â Most > of the words that Apple uses in the ads that could be considered lies or > bend truth are purely subjective terms.Â > > https://www.apple.com/iphone/ > > "Your face is now your password. FaceÂ ID is a secure and private new way > to unlock, authenticate, andÂ pay." > > Say some experts come forward and prove that Apple's technology is not > safe and especially if they prove that Apple knew it was not safe when it > launched it, Apple is liable under law for fraud.Â > > There is of course a lot of illegal marketing out there, fraud after all > is according to my experience the most common offenses that I have came > accross in my 10 years carrier as a lawyer , but I can assure you just it > may happen quite often does not make it any less illegal. You going to be > shocked how many illegal things happens on the internet and the law's > complexity and sophistication in providing protection against those > things. > > Of course I am not saying that someone is going to bother sue you > tommorow, as its highly unlikely that someone will take your posts > seriously as they are dominated by exaggerations and I have told you so > many times in the past. But that does not mean he cannot.Â > > Maybe USA law is more relaxed, because it not the most respected legal > system, as USA has a notorious bad record with human right and consumer > protection. But none the less I can promise you in Europe, what you do is > not legal and there are special legislation to protect consumers for these > scenarios. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Timespan translateToUTC problematic

by Alistair Grant

On 17 November 2017 at 14:44, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Both interpretation are correct and valid, it is just hard to capture them with one class. > > In normal human conversation and in the abstract, of course a date is just a year/month/date triple. But that is because most people only look at this from their own perspective. However, from an international perspective, of course it must include time zone info. Remember end-of-year/new-year, with all those articles about people in other countries partying or having fireworks earlier/later. > > Date transitions are different in each time zone, so to talk accurately about a date, you need the context of a time zone. I don't think this is correct. If we take CEST (UTC+1) and AEDT (UTC+11) as an example: From midnight to 14:00 UTC the dates are the same. From 14:00 - 24:00 CEST Australia is one day ahead. How can this be interpreted sensibly given only a date? Unless I'm missing something, I think Peter is correct and that a Date shouldn't have any concept of timezone. Cheers, Alistair > Whether that timezone is actually part of the date object is another discussion, but there is always the timezone context even if it is implicit ('of course I mean my own timezone and not yours'). > >> On 17 Nov 2017, at 14:19, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Because Date has, by definition, no concept of time. >> The only reason why you see it is because someone decided to save a bit of time and reuse implementation. >> >> If you want to move TZ, you need something that _has_ time. Such as DateAndTime. >> >> You can also read the comments ... >> >> Date >> > Instances of Date are Timespans with duration of 1 day. >> >> it represents an entire day, not a particular time point >> >> DateAndTime >> > I represent a point in time or timestamp as defined by ISO 8601. >> > I am TimeZone aware. >> >> I really don't understand why are you trying to force TZ into Date against it's purpose when you have a class that does exactly what you want and was built for that purpose. >> >> Peter >> >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Prof. Andrew P. Black <black(a)cs.pdx.edu> wrote: >> >>> On 17 Nov 2017, at 08:49 , Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I find the concept of translating TZ of a Date silly. The real bug imho should be that it prints both time and TZ.... this is Date, not DateAndTime. >>> >> >> I live in Oregon, and frequently work with people in New Zealand, which is (depending on the time of year) 19 to 21 hours ahead of Oregon. So, when it is 3pm at home, it is noon the next day in New Zealand. >> >> This means that in order to know the day of the week, the month, and even the year, of a given instant in UTC, one has to know the timezone that is being referred to. The answer could be Sunday, 31 December 2017 for one observer, and Monday, 1 January 2018 for another. >> >> So, contrary to your statement, I donât see how I can know the date without also knowing the Time Zone. >> >> Andrew >> > >

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort

by Brad Selfridge

Iâm starting to get really annoyed with all the naysayers within our own community that seem to pick apart every dot and tittle of any article this man produces. It seems as though people donât really care whether the Smalltalk community grows or dies. I view pretty much any news as goods news as long as it pushes the narrative and creates exposure. Ps. Being from the US, I take direct offense to the political mud that is slung at us. This kind of tripe has NO place on this forum and needs an instant retraction. On Nov 18, 2017, at 5:09 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> First of all, you need to understand that this article, like nearly all of >> my other articles, is about /marketing/. I've never made any bones about >> this. >> >> If you know anything about marketing, you know that it involves exaggeration >> and hyperbole. It sometimes involves bending the truth. The point of >> marketing is to persuade on an emotional level, not a logical one. >> >> This is exactly what companies like Apple and Microsoft do. If you think >> Apple ads tell the absolute truth, then you are terribly naive. >> >> So, is Pharo being used to fight Ebola? Not exactly, but who cares? I'm >> trying to change people's perception. I'm trying to *move* them. If I have >> to exaggerate, I will do so. > > Actually there is a guy that I know that he actually cares > > very much > > he is called > > "Mr Law" > > When a marketing , bends the truth and especially when it lies under UK, Greek and European Law is called "fraud" and it punishable under crimininal (jail time) and civil (compensation for damaged cause by fraudalent marketing) law. The penalties can be extemely severe if the fraud caused a substantial amount of damage in some way. > > Under those legal systems I have studied (I am a lawyer) the only case that someone is allowed to lie is when he defiends himself. If you ever wondered how its possible lawyers to lie , now you know. Lying and bending the truth in this case is a legal principe set since ancient times by law to provide extra pressure to prove the a party is guilty. Its called "proof beyond reasonable doubt" and is a very important legal principle. > > Outside that, say I submited a document as a defense lawyer that is edited or changed in some way , its fraud and especially fraud against the court is even more punished. If a witeness , exaggerates , bends the truth and especially if he or she lies, its fraud and the court can send him straigh to jail with his lawyer. > > Apple certainly does not do what you. > > Actually Apple goes to great lenghts proving its claims , usually when Apple says "iPhone has a battery of 10 hours" you will see an asterisk that will point you to small letters in the bottom of the page that says exactly under which conditions 10 hours can be achieved. > > On the other hand its use of words like "magical" is not of objective value and by no means can misled or tell a lie because well, magic does not exist. The law assumes the a person has at least average intelligence and knowledge (exceptions of course people with mental disablities). Most of the words that Apple uses in the ads that could be considered lies or bend truth are purely subjective terms. > > https://www.apple.com/iphone/ > > "Your face is now your password. Face ID is a secure and private new way to unlock, authenticate, and pay." > > Say some experts come forward and prove that Apple's technology is not safe and especially if they prove that Apple knew it was not safe when it launched it, Apple is liable under law for fraud. > > There is of course a lot of illegal marketing out there, fraud after all is according to my experience the most common offenses that I have came accross in my 10 years carrier as a lawyer , but I can assure you just it may happen quite often does not make it any less illegal. You going to be shocked how many illegal things happens on the internet and the law's complexity and sophistication in providing protection against those things. > > Of course I am not saying that someone is going to bother sue you tommorow, as its highly unlikely that someone will take your posts seriously as they are dominated by exaggerations and I have told you so many times in the past. But that does not mean he cannot. > > Maybe USA law is more relaxed, because it not the most respected legal system, as USA has a notorious bad record with human right and consumer protection. But none the less I can promise you in Europe, what you do is not legal and there are special legislation to protect consumers for these scenarios.

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort

by Andrew Glynn

Hereâs a list of the articles @ https://medium.com/@dasein42/latest, in case any catch your eye: Latest Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 14 âDynamics Trumps Semanticsâ: Why Java is Easy to Learn, but Difficult to be Good at. Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 8 IoT Initiativeââââlittle brotherâ The core notion behind âlittle brotherâ is to overcome the inevitable lag between the increase inâ¦ Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 7 Software Developer Tooling: Then and Now While my criticisms of current tooling for development are often met with an attitude ofâ¦ Read moreâ¦ 6 Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 5 The Inverted Ambiguity of the Post-Modern Public, or Not Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 5 Someone Was Asking About Devops â¦ Someone I know was asking me about devops the other day, particularly the number and variety ofâ¦ Read moreâ¦ 5 Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 5 Reality and the âSimpleâ True, or the True-in-Itself, or the Truth Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 5 What is Intended by the term âObject-Orientedâ? Read moreâ¦ 1 1 response Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 4 Pharo Smalltalk as a DSL Without a DSL If anyone has written a DSL in Eclipse, for example, simply the base projects Eclipseâ¦ Read moreâ¦ 22 Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 4 Tooling: Design of Meta and Underlying Rationale Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 2 How the Results of Disruption Changes the Discussion Between Aficionados of Specific Languages and Environments Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 2 Disrupted Software the Disrupted Software Industry Uses to Build Disruptive Software Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 2 Software is Virtual; the Virtual is Disruptive; Software Disrupts the Development of Software Read moreâ¦ Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Nov 2 Three Comments from a Conversation on a Mailing List Read moreâ¦ 10 Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Oct 28 Reasons â¦ and Reasons , How the Software Industry Turns its Issues into Subscriptions Read moreâ¦ 12 Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Oct 19 A Commentary On Three Quotes From âWorking on the Go Team at Googleâ (https://medium.com/@ljrudberg/working-on-the-go-team-at-google-917b2c8d35ff) âFirst, a little bit about myself: I am 23 years old, less than two years out of my undergrad degree at UWâ¦ Read moreâ¦ 1 response Go to the profile of Andrew Glynn Andrew Glynn Oct 11 Building-With Versus Building-On: Improving Software Development Incrementally Three articles and a doctoral thesis that I came across or had pointed out to me recently deal with the state of the software industry from different angles. However different they are, they do relate, and by putting themâ¦ From: Dimitris Chloupis Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:10 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort First of all, you need to understand that this article, like nearly all of my other articles, is about /marketing/. I've never made any bones about this. If you know anything about marketing, you know that it involves exaggeration and hyperbole. It sometimes involves bending the truth. The point of marketing is to persuade on an emotional level, not a logical one. This is exactly what companies like Apple and Microsoft do. If you think Apple ads tell the absolute truth, then you are terribly naive. So, is Pharo being used to fight Ebola? Not exactly, but who cares? I'm trying to change people's perception. I'm trying to *move* them. If I have to exaggerate, I will do so. Actually there is a guy that I know that he actually cares very much he is calledÂ "Mr Law" When a marketing , bends the truth and especially when it lies under UK, GreekÂ and European Law is called "fraud" and it punishable under crimininal (jail time) and civil (compensation for damaged cause by fraudalent marketing) law. The penalties can be extemely severe if the fraud caused a substantial amount of damage in some way. Under those legal systems I have studied (I am a lawyer) the only case that someone is allowed to lie is when he defiends himself. If you ever wondered how its possible lawyers to lie , now you know. Lying and bending the truth in this case is a legal principe set since ancient times by law to provide extra pressure to prove the a party is guilty. Its called "proof beyond reasonable doubt" and isÂ a very important legal principle.Â Outside that, say I submited a document as a defense lawyer that is edited or changed in some way , its fraud and especially fraud against the court is even more punished. If a witeness , exaggerates , bends the truth and especially if he or she lies, its fraud and the court can send him straigh to jail with his lawyer. Apple certainly does not do what you. Â Actually Apple goes to great lenghts proving its claims , usually when Apple says "iPhone has a battery of 10 hours" you will see an asterisk that will point you to small letters in the bottom of the page that says exactly under which conditions 10 hours can be achieved.Â On the other hand its use of words like "magical" is not of objective value and by no means can misled or tell a lie because well, magic does not exist. The law assumes the a person has at least average intelligence and knowledge (exceptions of course people with mental disablities).Â Most of the words that Apple uses in the ads that could be considered lies or bend truth are purely subjective terms.Â https://www.apple.com/iphone/ "Your face is now your password. FaceÂ ID is a secure and private new way to unlock, authenticate, andÂ pay." Say some experts come forward and prove that Apple's technology is not safe and especially if they prove that Apple knew it was not safe when it launched it, Apple is liable under law for fraud.Â There is of course a lot of illegal marketing out there, fraud after all is according to my experience the most common offenses that I have came accross in my 10 years carrier as a lawyer , but I can assure you just it may happen quite often does not make it any less illegal. You going to be shocked how many illegal things happens on the internet and the law's complexity and sophistication in providing protection against those things. Of course I am not saying that someone is going to bother sue you tommorow, as its highly unlikely that someone will take your posts seriously as they are dominated by exaggerations and I have told you so many times in the past. But that does not mean he cannot.Â Maybe USA law is more relaxed, because it not the most respected legal system, as USA has a notorious bad record with human right and consumer protection. But none the less I can promise you in Europe, what you do is not legal and there are special legislation to protect consumers for these scenarios.

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort

by Andrew Glynn

I have written a few articles on Medium, largely about the state of the software industry as a whole, the way disruptive software disrupts its own industry. However most of the articles mention Smalltalk and Pharo in particular as having a good blend of being able to build-on whatâs been done, while not standing still itself. Some of the less journalistic pieces are also on academia.edu. https://medium.com/@dasein42 cheers Andrew Glynn Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dimitris Chloupis Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:10 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort First of all, you need to understand that this article, like nearly all of my other articles, is about /marketing/. I've never made any bones about this. If you know anything about marketing, you know that it involves exaggeration and hyperbole. It sometimes involves bending the truth. The point of marketing is to persuade on an emotional level, not a logical one. This is exactly what companies like Apple and Microsoft do. If you think Apple ads tell the absolute truth, then you are terribly naive. So, is Pharo being used to fight Ebola? Not exactly, but who cares? I'm trying to change people's perception. I'm trying to *move* them. If I have to exaggerate, I will do so. Actually there is a guy that I know that he actually cares very much he is calledÂ "Mr Law" When a marketing , bends the truth and especially when it lies under UK, GreekÂ and European Law is called "fraud" and it punishable under crimininal (jail time) and civil (compensation for damaged cause by fraudalent marketing) law. The penalties can be extemely severe if the fraud caused a substantial amount of damage in some way. Under those legal systems I have studied (I am a lawyer) the only case that someone is allowed to lie is when he defiends himself. If you ever wondered how its possible lawyers to lie , now you know. Lying and bending the truth in this case is a legal principe set since ancient times by law to provide extra pressure to prove the a party is guilty. Its called "proof beyond reasonable doubt" and isÂ a very important legal principle.Â Outside that, say I submited a document as a defense lawyer that is edited or changed in some way , its fraud and especially fraud against the court is even more punished. If a witeness , exaggerates , bends the truth and especially if he or she lies, its fraud and the court can send him straigh to jail with his lawyer. Apple certainly does not do what you. Â Actually Apple goes to great lenghts proving its claims , usually when Apple says "iPhone has a battery of 10 hours" you will see an asterisk that will point you to small letters in the bottom of the page that says exactly under which conditions 10 hours can be achieved.Â On the other hand its use of words like "magical" is not of objective value and by no means can misled or tell a lie because well, magic does not exist. The law assumes the a person has at least average intelligence and knowledge (exceptions of course people with mental disablities).Â Most of the words that Apple uses in the ads that could be considered lies or bend truth are purely subjective terms.Â https://www.apple.com/iphone/ "Your face is now your password. FaceÂ ID is a secure and private new way to unlock, authenticate, andÂ pay." Say some experts come forward and prove that Apple's technology is not safe and especially if they prove that Apple knew it was not safe when it launched it, Apple is liable under law for fraud.Â There is of course a lot of illegal marketing out there, fraud after all is according to my experience the most common offenses that I have came accross in my 10 years carrier as a lawyer , but I can assure you just it may happen quite often does not make it any less illegal. You going to be shocked how many illegal things happens on the internet and the law's complexity and sophistication in providing protection against those things. Of course I am not saying that someone is going to bother sue you tommorow, as its highly unlikely that someone will take your posts seriously as they are dominated by exaggerations and I have told you so many times in the past. But that does not mean he cannot.Â Maybe USA law is more relaxed, because it not the most respected legal system, as USA has a notorious bad record with human right and consumer protection. But none the less I can promise you in Europe, what you do is not legal and there are special legislation to protect consumers for these scenarios.

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort

by Andrew Glynn

It is, according to various citations (CiteSeer) etc., being used to fight measles. Maybe not as flashy, but at least itâs true. Andrew Glynn From: Dimitris Chloupis Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 5:10 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort First of all, you need to understand that this article, like nearly all of my other articles, is about /marketing/. I've never made any bones about this. If you know anything about marketing, you know that it involves exaggeration and hyperbole. It sometimes involves bending the truth. The point of marketing is to persuade on an emotional level, not a logical one. This is exactly what companies like Apple and Microsoft do. If you think Apple ads tell the absolute truth, then you are terribly naive. So, is Pharo being used to fight Ebola? Not exactly, but who cares? I'm trying to change people's perception. I'm trying to *move* them. If I have to exaggerate, I will do so. Actually there is a guy that I know that he actually cares very much he is calledÂ "Mr Law" When a marketing , bends the truth and especially when it lies under UK, GreekÂ and European Law is called "fraud" and it punishable under crimininal (jail time) and civil (compensation for damaged cause by fraudalent marketing) law. The penalties can be extemely severe if the fraud caused a substantial amount of damage in some way. Under those legal systems I have studied (I am a lawyer) the only case that someone is allowed to lie is when he defiends himself. If you ever wondered how its possible lawyers to lie , now you know. Lying and bending the truth in this case is a legal principe set since ancient times by law to provide extra pressure to prove the a party is guilty. Its called "proof beyond reasonable doubt" and isÂ a very important legal principle.Â Outside that, say I submited a document as a defense lawyer that is edited or changed in some way , its fraud and especially fraud against the court is even more punished. If a witeness , exaggerates , bends the truth and especially if he or she lies, its fraud and the court can send him straigh to jail with his lawyer. Apple certainly does not do what you. Â Actually Apple goes to great lenghts proving its claims , usually when Apple says "iPhone has a battery of 10 hours" you will see an asterisk that will point you to small letters in the bottom of the page that says exactly under which conditions 10 hours can be achieved.Â On the other hand its use of words like "magical" is not of objective value and by no means can misled or tell a lie because well, magic does not exist. The law assumes the a person has at least average intelligence and knowledge (exceptions of course people with mental disablities).Â Most of the words that Apple uses in the ads that could be considered lies or bend truth are purely subjective terms.Â https://www.apple.com/iphone/ "Your face is now your password. FaceÂ ID is a secure and private new way to unlock, authenticate, andÂ pay." Say some experts come forward and prove that Apple's technology is not safe and especially if they prove that Apple knew it was not safe when it launched it, Apple is liable under law for fraud.Â There is of course a lot of illegal marketing out there, fraud after all is according to my experience the most common offenses that I have came accross in my 10 years carrier as a lawyer , but I can assure you just it may happen quite often does not make it any less illegal. You going to be shocked how many illegal things happens on the internet and the law's complexity and sophistication in providing protection against those things. Of course I am not saying that someone is going to bother sue you tommorow, as its highly unlikely that someone will take your posts seriously as they are dominated by exaggerations and I have told you so many times in the past. But that does not mean he cannot.Â Maybe USA law is more relaxed, because it not the most respected legal system, as USA has a notorious bad record with human right and consumer protection. But none the less I can promise you in Europe, what you do is not legal and there are special legislation to protect consumers for these scenarios.

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Which dbf does GADM need?

by Andrew Glynn

The dropbox URL for the dbf for GADM is no longer there. I can upload the file to my Google drive and share it publicly, but thereâs two dbf files, one a single layer and one a 6 layer file. Which does GADM actually use (yes, Iâm being lazy). Andrew Glynn

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort

by horrido

"There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." Oscar Wilde Smalltalk was on the verge of being forgotten. Now, people talk about it. Some may be turned off, I have no doubt. Some are curious; some are intrigued, enough to actually try Pharo (Smalltalk). How do I know this? Because they've told me directly! They've told me that they had never heard of Smalltalk (speaking to Norbert's point), and that they will take a serious look at it. Am I doing something wrong? Maybe, but the results would suggest otherwise. Let's suppose I am doing something wrong. What can I do about it? This is my style of writing; it reflects who I am, like it or not. Am I supposed to change who I am? Frankly, I cannot change my style. It's just not gonna happen. The only alternative is for me to stop doing what I'm doing. Well, may I should, anyway. It's been a long campaign and I'm very tired. Marketing Smalltalk is bloody hard work. Perhaps one of you can take over? -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Teapot and Websockets

by Hans

Hi, now I'm playing with a new type of TeaRoute>>TeaWebSocketRoute. It conrains the ZnWebSocketDelegate. And I also use the WS: message. I want to try to setup my Teapot fork to Github with IceBerg. Just an Experiment :) Cheers Hans -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

Nov. 18, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] New Pharo article at The Cohort

by Dimitris Chloupis

> > > First of all, you need to understand that this article, like nearly all of > my other articles, is about /marketing/. I've never made any bones about > this. > > If you know anything about marketing, you know that it involves > exaggeration > and hyperbole. It sometimes involves bending the truth. The point of > marketing is to persuade on an emotional level, not a logical one. > > This is exactly what companies like Apple and Microsoft do. If you think > Apple ads tell the absolute truth, then you are terribly naive. > > So, is Pharo being used to fight Ebola? Not exactly, but who cares? I'm > trying to change people's perception. I'm trying to *move* them. If I have > to exaggerate, I will do so. > Actually there is a guy that I know that he actually cares very much he is called "Mr Law" When a marketing , bends the truth and especially when it lies under UK, Greek and European Law is called "fraud" and it punishable under crimininal (jail time) and civil (compensation for damaged cause by fraudalent marketing) law. The penalties can be extemely severe if the fraud caused a substantial amount of damage in some way. Under those legal systems I have studied (I am a lawyer) the only case that someone is allowed to lie is when he defiends himself. If you ever wondered how its possible lawyers to lie , now you know. Lying and bending the truth in this case is a legal principe set since ancient times by law to provide extra pressure to prove the a party is guilty. Its called "proof beyond reasonable doubt" and is a very important legal principle. Outside that, say I submited a document as a defense lawyer that is edited or changed in some way , its fraud and especially fraud against the court is even more punished. If a witeness , exaggerates , bends the truth and especially if he or she lies, its fraud and the court can send him straigh to jail with his lawyer. Apple certainly does not do what you. Actually Apple goes to great lenghts proving its claims , usually when Apple says "iPhone has a battery of 10 hours" you will see an asterisk that will point you to small letters in the bottom of the page that says exactly under which conditions 10 hours can be achieved. On the other hand its use of words like "magical" is not of objective value and by no means can misled or tell a lie because well, magic does not exist. The law assumes the a person has at least average intelligence and knowledge (exceptions of course people with mental disablities). Most of the words that Apple uses in the ads that could be considered lies or bend truth are purely subjective terms. https://www.apple.com/iphone/ "Your face is now your password. Face ID is a secure and private new way to unlock, authenticate, and pay." Say some experts come forward and prove that Apple's technology is not safe and especially if they prove that Apple knew it was not safe when it launched it, Apple is liable under law for fraud. There is of course a lot of illegal marketing out there, fraud after all is according to my experience the most common offenses that I have came accross in my 10 years carrier as a lawyer , but I can assure you just it may happen quite often does not make it any less illegal. You going to be shocked how many illegal things happens on the internet and the law's complexity and sophistication in providing protection against those things. Of course I am not saying that someone is going to bother sue you tommorow, as its highly unlikely that someone will take your posts seriously as they are dominated by exaggerations and I have told you so many times in the past. But that does not mean he cannot. Maybe USA law is more relaxed, because it not the most respected legal system, as USA has a notorious bad record with human right and consumer protection. But none the less I can promise you in Europe, what you do is not legal and there are special legislation to protect consumers for these scenarios.

Nov. 18, 2017