November 2017 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

by Stephane Ducasse

Why don't you try? It does not bite. For me it works in all scenario. I have projects that i manage over several weeks and others I drop day to day. And I have also startup script per versions. Stef On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Herby VojÄÃk <herby(a)mailbox.sk> wrote: > Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches". > > However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere: "start > each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should not > reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor reuse > existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine with > some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the "one > start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate projects > from each other)? > > Thanks, Herby > > Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: >> >> Hi Herby, >> >> normally people use different images for their different projects, >> different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many >> locations on disk, and it can be hard to track. >> So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just >> by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch >> them, etc. >> >> Peter >> >> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby VojÄÃk <herby(a)mailbox.sk >> <mailto:herby@mailbox.sk>> wrote: >> >> Stephane Ducasse wrote: >> >> Hi >> >> I love the PharoLauncher. >> >> >> Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I >> don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest >> question)? >> >> Thanks, Herby >> >> >> It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects. >> >> We should put a link on the Pharo web site because >> >> http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/ >> <http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/> >> >> is arcane. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> > >

Nov. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Travis build failing because of bad CRC

by Stephane Ducasse

Thanks christophe and marcus. This is good that we get rid of this stupid situation. Stef On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 5:04 PM, Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> Le 24 nov. 2017 Ã 11:53, Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr> a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi, >> >> The new server is now available to the world: http://file-pharo.inria.fr/ >> Could you test and tell me if you still encounter slowness and bad CRC? > > In addition, could you test this this third server that is hosted on the cloud: http://files2.pharo.org ? > data transfer is still in progress but it should finish in a few hours. > > According to your feedbacks, we will switch official URLs to one of these servers. > The situation should be back to normal soon. > > Christophe > >

Nov. 25, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Travis build failing because of bad CRC

by Christophe Demarey

> Le 24 nov. 2017 Ã 11:53, Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr> a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > The new server is now available to the world: http://file-pharo.inria.fr/ > Could you test and tell me if you still encounter slowness and bad CRC? In addition, could you test this this third server that is hosted on the cloud: http://files2.pharo.org ? data transfer is still in progress but it should finish in a few hours. According to your feedbacks, we will switch official URLs to one of these servers. The situation should be back to normal soon. Christophe

Nov. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

by Herby VojÄÃk

Thank you all, now I understand it better. Good for lots of "branches". However, I wonder how does it work with the rule I read somewhere: "start each day [of work on a project] with a new image", which means I should not reuse clean new image (as it needs populating from VCSes etc.) nor reuse existing image (I should start with the new one). Or does it combine with some startup-magic described in one of the recent Steph's booklets, the "one start per [new] image" case (but again, one should discriminate projects from each other)? Thanks, Herby Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote: > Hi Herby, > > normally people use different images for their different projects, > different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many > locations on disk, and it can be hard to track. > So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just > by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch > them, etc. > > Peter > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby VojÄÃk <herby(a)mailbox.sk > <mailto:herby@mailbox.sk>> wrote: > > Stephane Ducasse wrote: > > Hi > > I love the PharoLauncher. > > > Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I > don't get it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest > question)? > > Thanks, Herby > > > It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects. > > We should put a link on the Pharo web site because > > http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/ > <http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/> > > is arcane. > > Stef > > > >

Nov. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] I love the launcher!!!!

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi Herby, normally people use different images for their different projects, different versions, trying things, etc. Which means we end up with many locations on disk, and it can be hard to track. So PharoLauncher is a nice tool where you can download fresh image just by clicking, and you see the list of your local images and can launch them, etc. Peter On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Herby VojÄÃk <herby(a)mailbox.sk> wrote: > Stephane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi >> >> I love the PharoLauncher. >> > > Pardon my question, I have downloaded it and looked at it, but I don't get > it. What does it do / what are the use cases (honest question)? > > Thanks, Herby > > > It helps me to manage my parallel development and projects. >> >> We should put a link on the Pharo web site because >> >> http://files.pharo.org/platform/launcher/ >> >> is arcane. >> >> Stef >> >> > >

Nov. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Travis build failing because of bad CRC

by Christophe Demarey

Hi, The new server is now available to the world: http://file-pharo.inria.fr/ Could you test and tell me if you still encounter slowness and bad CRC? Christophe Note: latest data is not there since we still publish to files.pharo.org.

Nov. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Travis build failing because of bad CRC

by phil＠highoctane.be

Same issues for me. I actually use an older thing that I know works instead of using zeroconf etc anymore. Others may just walk away from Pharo silently. Look in an age of Docker and multi gig successful downloads, a couple megs sjouldn't be that hard. S3 or whatever works for millions of podcasts, BinTray also works nicely etc. Shouldn't some consortium money channeled in there? Phil On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 3:24 AM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On 23 November 2017 at 20:18, Christophe Demarey < > christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> >> > Le 23 nov. 2017 Ã 12:34, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> a Ã©crit : >> > >> > >> > >> >> Am 23.11.2017 um 11:39 schrieb Christophe Demarey < >> christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr>: >> >> >> >> Hi Norbert, >> >> >> >> I understand your point of view that others probably share. >> >> I also agree the situation is very bad: Inria took too much time to >> investigate the problem and now, renater also â¦ >> >> The question is: would it be really better outside Inria? Maybe ... >> maybe not â¦ >> > >> > Maybe that is the point. It is not a question if it works better >> outside because it will. The problem we have is so serious that it will be >> hard to find elsewhere. I can only repeat: It is not the download that >> fails which TCP wise means that exactly the thing is downloaded that inria >> offered. So something below the web server is broken and most probably they >> have a corrupt storage solution meaning only if you give it broken to the >> web server the broken thing can be transported in a sane manner. >> >> Iâm not confident with the diagnostic. >> I never encountered this problem > > > > The problem seems geo-specific. So you may never personally observe the > problem. Of course that can make it near-impossible for yourself to > troubleshoot. > So consider the engineering principal... "If you can't solve the problem, > change the problem." > > > cheers -ben >

Nov. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PetitCompiler loading problem

by Tudor Girba

Hi, What script are you using? Cheers, Doru > On Nov 24, 2017, at 9:42 AM, Julien <julien.delplanque(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks for you answer. > > I already tried and I do encounter the same issue with #development version. > > Julien >> Le 24 nov. 2017 Ã 09:40, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi, >> >> PetitCompiler is not released for 6.1. Please try with #development and let me know if you still encounter the issue. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Julien <julien.delplanque(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Iâd like to try PetitCompiler to speed-up a parser I did. >>> >>> When trying to load it in a Pharo 6.1 image I have an error related to its configuration: >>> >>> Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JanKurs' project: 'PetitParser'; >>> configurationOf: #PetitCompiler; load. >>> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPetitCompiler) perform: #'loadStable'. >>> >>> Â« Error : Name not found : Magritte-Tests-Pharo-Model Â» >>> >>> Can someone help me? >>> >>> I haven't tried in older images. >>> >>> Julien >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "No matter how many recipes we know, we still value a chef." >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Don't give to get. Just give."

Nov. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Short report about Pharo experience

by Esteban Lorenzano

yes please, keep feedback coming :) (you and everybody). Esteban > On 23 Nov 2017, at 23:40, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi hans > > No need to overreact. > WE VALUE FEEDBACK. > Now if people would understand that yes they can do a simple commit to > recategorise a method. > Then we could also focus on more important things. > > NOW FEEDBACK is great. Then what? > > Stef > > > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Hans <hnbeck(a)educational-concepts.biz> wrote: >> Hi Stef, >> >> my post is intended as feedback. Action is a different thing. Feedback may >> help to indentify useful actions. In this sense, I thought feed back is >> help, too. May be I'm wrong. >> >> If you thing feed back is useless and without value, and only "action" >> counts, then is this your opinion. Then I'll take my actions (which are >> there, I develop on TeaPot, as you could read) and be quiet. Full Stop. >> >> Hans >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >

Nov. 24, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] PetitCompiler loading problem

by Julien

Hi, Thanks for you answer. I already tried and I do encounter the same issue with #development version. Julien > Le 24 nov. 2017 Ã 09:40, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > > PetitCompiler is not released for 6.1. Please try with #development and let me know if you still encounter the issue. > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Nov 24, 2017, at 8:55 AM, Julien <julien.delplanque(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> Iâd like to try PetitCompiler to speed-up a parser I did. >> >> When trying to load it in a Pharo 6.1 image I have an error related to its configuration: >> >> Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'JanKurs' project: 'PetitParser'; >> configurationOf: #PetitCompiler; load. >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfPetitCompiler) perform: #'loadStable'. >> >> Â« Error : Name not found : Magritte-Tests-Pharo-Model Â» >> >> Can someone help me? >> >> I haven't tried in older images. >> >> Julien > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "No matter how many recipes we know, we still value a chef." > > > > > > > >

Nov. 24, 2017