October 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Gour

On Tue, 10 Oct 2017 21:02:31 +0200 Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks offray. > I would love to have spanish subtitles. > We will have japanese subtitles Is there possibility to access MOOC files via FTP which should be better interface when one has to donwload many files (I do not use any HTTP download manager)? Sincerely, Gour p.s. I don't mind about French speakers and/or English subtitles being thankful that MOOC is available at all freely! -- Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master. Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The self-realized souls can impart knowledge unto you because they have seen the truth.

Oct. 10, 2017

Custom URI scheme for Pharo

by Manuel Leuenberger

Hi, Is there any support from the VM/Application package to add custom URI schemes to listen to from within Pharo? I would like to have a hyperlink like âpharo://send?data=fancypantsâ <pharo://send?data=fancypants%E2%80%99> in an arbitrary document that, when clicked, switches to Pharo and calls a hook I can register. Could someone give me a hint how to achieve that, or do I have to build a little bridge application that handles the scheme registration and talks with Pharo through another channel? Currently, I only need this for OS X. Cheers, Manuel

Oct. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Embedded PDF viewer?

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi manuel So far I do not know if we have this is Pharo. I imagine that we would have to build a renderer once we will have the PDF reader from Christian library. Stef On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 8:58 PM, Manuel Leuenberger <leuenberger(a)inf.unibe.ch> wrote: > Hi, > > I want to view a PDF within Pharo. I found that Athens has a PDF canvas, but I have no idea how to use it. Is there a way to view a PDF within Pharo, so that I can scroll, zoom, click links etc. in the PDF? > > Cheers, > Manuel > >

Oct. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Stephane Ducasse

Thanks offray. I would love to have spanish subtitles. We will have japanese subtitles On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > Probably is a English native speaker. It really amuse me the amount of > complain about this. Is something like, please don't show me anything other > cultures, even if I just need to turn on captions and read(!), like most of > us did to learn English by ourselves. Whenever I have the opportunity, I see > movies in their native language and just add subtitles, to lost less in > translation. Yes, English is the third most spread language and is good for > intercultural communication, because is the most spread *second* language, > but sadly, most English native speaker don't even bother about experience > the minimum of other language and cultures, beyond the "tourist package" and > even hear another language seems too much effort. Fortunately there is a > minority of native English speakers that thinks different. > > Thanks for the voice translation. It improves a course that was already good > and totally doable with subtitles. > > Keep the good work. Cheers, > > Offray > > > On 10/10/17 08:05, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > > The MOOC is completely dubbed in English this year, so you don't need > subtitles. > > > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Somebody posted this about the Pharo MOOC: >> >> https://medium.com/@josephshirk/it-would-be-nice-if-it-were-in-english-b07f… >> >> To which I responded: >> >> https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-videos-are-like-lecturers-in-university-… >> >> Some food for thought. >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UCN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ > >

Oct. 10, 2017

Embedded PDF viewer?

by Manuel Leuenberger

Hi, I want to view a PDF within Pharo. I found that Athens has a PDF canvas, but I have no idea how to use it. Is there a way to view a PDF within Pharo, so that I can scroll, zoom, click links etc. in the PDF? Cheers, Manuel

Oct. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] PharoLauncher v1.0.1 released!

by Stephane Ducasse

Hi christophe This is why we worked (but never released) on silent Pharo. Stef On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Christophe Demarey <christophe.demarey(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Le 7 oct. 2017 Ã 14:26, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> a Ã©crit : > > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Just starting pharolauncher on windows still does not work (if you put it >> into the default "program" folder). >> On start, it tries to create a local direcitory "pharo-local" and does not >> have the permission to do so. >> You need to start it with admin-rights. > > > Why are we making it harder for Windows users in corporate environments by > requiring them to have admin-rights they often won't have, while in Linux > PharoLancher is installed into user folders? > > > Â« Program Â» folder is the default location where to install apps on Windows. > If a user does not have admin rights, he can simply install it under its > home directory. > > Also there is the UAC Virtualization fiasco that complicates installing > upgrades. > http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-dev_lists.pharo.org/2014-January/091… > > Could we *please* install Windows PharoLauncher into user folders? > > > Users can choose to install Pharo Launcher where they wish. > We could choose another default location but not sure it is best option. > > To me, the real problem is: why does Pharo apps (and Pharo Launcher) needs > to write data in the application directory? By example, for Pharo Launcher, > we do not need to load any code nor to backup sessions.

Oct. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] PharoLauncher v1.0.1 released!

by Vitor Medina Cruz

Ok, the executable is just a zip, why not distribute it as a zip? On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Vitor Medina Cruz <vitormcruz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Â« Program Â» folder is the default location where to install apps on >> Windows. >> If a user does not have admin rights, he can simply install it under its >> home directory. >> >> Also there is the UAC Virtualization fiasco that complicates installing >> upgrades. >> http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-dev_lists.pharo.org/ >> 2014-January/091645.html >> >> >> >> Could we *please* install Windows PharoLauncher into user folders? >> >> >> >> Users can choose to install Pharo Launcher where they wish. >> We could choose another default location but not sure it is best option. >> > > Nope, I donât have any option of changing Pharo launcher installation. I > double click the exe and receive a message telling me I need administrative > rights. Can this be changed? Itâs a deal breaker for those using Windows. > > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> why a step backwards? >>> Pharo images are not *data* in the sense is intended for XDG_DATA_HOME. >>> In practice, an image is more like a document Pharo can readâ¦ data >>> files are configurations, etc. an app needs to work properly in the local >>> environment. >>> Pharo images instead, are modifiable/editable/whatever euphemism you want >>> â¦ thatâs why we considered more like VMWare considers their Virtual >>> Machines, then they belong to some place in the home directory that is of >>> easy access. >>> >> >> I guess I hate when applications are throwing their garbage into my $HOME >> (this also goes for VirtualBox, Eclipse, and everyone else). >> If I am not accessing the files directly, but they are pretty much always >> managed by some other applications, then for me they are polluting $HOME. >> (And yes, I sometimes do launch to image by hand, or manipulate VirtualBox >> by hand, but that doesn't change the fact that it is not the primary way to >> work with it.) >> >> But no worries, I rest my case and I patch it for myself. (So no need to >> add configuration for this either.) >> >> Peter >> > >

Oct. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] [Ann] PharoLauncher v1.0.1 released!

by Vitor Medina Cruz

> > Â« Program Â» folder is the default location where to install apps on > Windows. > If a user does not have admin rights, he can simply install it under its > home directory. > > Also there is the UAC Virtualization fiasco that complicates installing > upgrades. > http://lists.pharo.org/pipermail/pharo-dev_lists. > pharo.org/2014-January/091645.html > > > > Could we *please* install Windows PharoLauncher into user folders? > > > > Users can choose to install Pharo Launcher where they wish. > We could choose another default location but not sure it is best option. > Nope, I donât have any option of changing Pharo launcher installation. I double click the exe and receive a message telling me I need administrative rights. Can this be changed? Itâs a deal breaker for those using Windows. On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > why a step backwards? >> Pharo images are not *data* in the sense is intended for XDG_DATA_HOME. >> In practice, an image is more like a document Pharo can readâ¦ data files >> are configurations, etc. an app needs to work properly in the local >> environment. >> Pharo images instead, are modifiable/editable/whatever euphemism you want >> â¦ thatâs why we considered more like VMWare considers their Virtual >> Machines, then they belong to some place in the home directory that is of >> easy access. >> > > I guess I hate when applications are throwing their garbage into my $HOME > (this also goes for VirtualBox, Eclipse, and everyone else). > If I am not accessing the files directly, but they are pretty much always > managed by some other applications, then for me they are polluting $HOME. > (And yes, I sometimes do launch to image by hand, or manipulate VirtualBox > by hand, but that doesn't change the fact that it is not the primary way to > work with it.) > > But no worries, I rest my case and I patch it for myself. (So no need to > add configuration for this either.) > > Peter >

Oct. 10, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Behold Pharo: The Modern Smalltalk

by phil＠highoctane.be

A Bluebook updated picture would be great. And I am sure Roassal could produce it right away. Phil On Oct 10, 2017 15:58, "horrido" <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Interestingly, I'm getting a fair amount of pushback on this. Personally, I > think it would be very helpful to have a live (updatable, so as to keep it > current) reference page for the class library, something that developers > can > easily look up what they need. After all, most of the power of Pharo comes > from the class library and we need to make it as accessible as possible to > less experienced Pharoers (i.e., beginners). > > Exploring the class library through the System Browser is very inefficient. > This is further exacerbated by the fact that many classes and methods are > simply not well-documented (containing a cursory remark which is just > barely > useful). > > I realize that creating a live reference page is not easy to do. In fact, > it's a lot of work. But the absence of such a page is a real obstacle to > Pharo acceptance. > > > > horrido wrote > > Thanks. I gave your answer verbatim. I also added the following > paragraph: > > > > The problem I find with todayâs developers is that they are rather > > closed-minded. They are rigid and inflexible, and not willing to adapt to > > new and different ways of doing things. In my generation (circa > > 1980â1990), > > people didnât have a problem with trying different technologies. Thatâs > > why > > I had no issue with learning Smalltalk 10 years ago, after I had retired > > from a 20-year-long career in C systems programming and FORTRAN > scientific > > programming. > > > > > > > > Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > >>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 14:54, horrido < > > > >> horrido.hobbies@ > > > >> > wrote: > >>> > >>> I received this comment from someone who complained: > >>> > >>> *What about the lack of documentation? From time to time Iâve checked > >>> some > >>> SmallTalk implementations like Squeak, GNU-Smalltalk and now Pharo. Of > >>> these, only GNU-SmallTalk appears to have a free, official programming > >>> guide > >>> and core library reference that any serious programmer expects from a > >>> language. > >>> > >>> https://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/manual-base/html_node/* > >>> > >>> I pointed to Pharo's documentation but then he came back with: > >>> > >>> *Then show me a link of the free, maintained reference documentation > for > >>> the > >>> classes that form âthe core libraryâ, like this one for Python > >>> (https://docs.python.org/3/library/index.html)* > >>> > >>> It's true, most Smalltalks do not have a core library reference, not > >>> even > >>> VisualWorks! So what is the proper response to this complaint? > >> > >> The first answer is that Pharo/Smalltalk is unique in that a running > >> system/IDE contains _all_ source code, _all_ documentation (class, > >> method, > >> help, tutorial), _all_ unit tests and _all_ runnable examples in a very > >> easy, accessible way. It takes some getting used to, but this is > actually > >> better and much more powerful than any alternative. > >> > >> The second answer is that there are lots of books and articles that take > >> the classic/structured book/paper approach. There is > >> http://books.pharo.org, http://themoosebook.org, > >> http://book.seaside.st/book, http://medium.com/concerning-pharo and > many > >> more. > >> > >>> Thanks. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > >

Oct. 10, 2017

[Off topic] Re: FYI about Pharo MOOC

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 9:19 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > Probably is a English native speaker. > Next they'll be asking to covert the example from kilometres to miles ;) cheers -ben > It really amuse me the amount of complain about this. Is something like, > please don't show me anything other cultures, even if I just need to turn > on captions and read(!), like most of us did to learn English by ourselves. > Its the downside of being a native english speaker. There is less need to learn a second language. Thus we go crazy earlier while all you non-native english speakers continue to take over the world... https://www.livescience.com/12917-learning-language-bilingual-protects-alzh… cheers -ben > Whenever I have the opportunity, I see movies in their native language and > just add subtitles, to lost less in translation. Yes, English is the third > most spread language and is good for intercultural communication, because > is the most spread *second* language, but sadly, most English native > speaker don't even bother about experience the minimum of other language > and cultures, beyond the "tourist package" and even hear another language > seems too much effort. Fortunately there is a minority of native English > speakers that thinks different. > > Thanks for the voice translation. It improves a course that was already > good and totally doable with subtitles. > > Keep the good work. Cheers, > > Offray > > On 10/10/17 08:05, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > > The MOOC is completely dubbed in English this year, so you don't need > subtitles. > > > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 1:07 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Somebody posted this about the Pharo MOOC: >> https://medium.com/@josephshirk/it-would-be-nice-if-it-were- >> in-english-b07f6445f23 >> >> To which I responded: >> https://medium.com/@richardeng/the-videos-are-like- >> lecturers-in-university-49a68c23cf01 >> >> Some food for thought. >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html >> >> > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UCN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ > > >

Oct. 10, 2017