January 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 13 Jan 2017, at 14:17, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes Sven posts some really nice pharo articles in his medium blog from time to time > > https://medium.com/concerning-pharo 'Concerning Pharo' is what is called a 'Publication' on Medium.com, it is a grouping of articles by multiple authors. Most are mine, and I am the owner/editor, but I am very happy that others allowed me to include their great articles as well: - Torsten Bergmann - Julien Delplanque - Stephan Eggermont I hope that others will join: it is very easy and very pleasant to write an article on Medium.com, but above all it is very important that more long form documentation about Pharo gets written and promoted. Sven > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:00 PM Joachim Tuchel <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: > Oh, and then there are really helpful articles on medium > > > Am 13.01.2017 um 13:54 schrieb werner kassens <wkassens(a)libello.com>: > > > >> On 01/13/2017 01:01 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > >> For example Ben recently posted a very nice guide for UFFI. > > > > Hi, > > where do i find Bens blog? i think it is not mentioned at http://pharo.org/web/blogs . > > btw another very informative blog about pharo, not mentioned there, is Peters https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/ > > werner > > > > > > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Dimitris Chloupis

Yes Sven posts some really nice pharo articles in his medium blog from time to time https://medium.com/concerning-pharo On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:00 PM Joachim Tuchel <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: > Oh, and then there are really helpful articles on medium > > > Am 13.01.2017 um 13:54 schrieb werner kassens <wkassens(a)libello.com>: > > > >> On 01/13/2017 01:01 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > >> For example Ben recently posted a very nice guide for UFFI. > > > > Hi, > > where do i find Bens blog? i think it is not mentioned at > http://pharo.org/web/blogs . > > btw another very informative blog about pharo, not mentioned there, is > Peters https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/ > > werner > > > > > > > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Dimitris Chloupis

here you go http://blog.openinworld.com/author/admin/ On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:55 PM werner kassens <wkassens(a)libello.com> wrote: > On 01/13/2017 01:01 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > > For example Ben recently posted a very nice guide for UFFI. > > Hi, > where do i find Bens blog? i think it is not mentioned at > http://pharo.org/web/blogs . > btw another very informative blog about pharo, not mentioned there, is > Peters https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/ > werner > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Joachim Tuchel

Oh, and then there are really helpful articles on medium > Am 13.01.2017 um 13:54 schrieb werner kassens <wkassens(a)libello.com>: > >> On 01/13/2017 01:01 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: >> For example Ben recently posted a very nice guide for UFFI. > > Hi, > where do i find Bens blog? i think it is not mentioned at http://pharo.org/web/blogs . > btw another very informative blog about pharo, not mentioned there, is Peters https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/ > werner > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by werner kassens

On 01/13/2017 01:01 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > For example Ben recently posted a very nice guide for UFFI. Hi, where do i find Bens blog? i think it is not mentioned at http://pharo.org/web/blogs . btw another very informative blog about pharo, not mentioned there, is Peters https://www.peteruhnak.com/blog/ werner

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Dimitris Chloupis

I though that my example made this clear, apparently it did not so let me try again. No SEO is not a problem SEO is not a problem because we have made the smart move as a community to host our projects and discussions and documentation to existing google friendly websites like Github, world.st and stackoverflow. As such its very easy to find documentation about Pharo. The problem here is what makes Google special, what made it the No1 search engine. You see before Google there was this search engine called AltaVista, AltaVista was doing what is relevant to a SEO , it was basically searching for sites and bringing up accurate search results . So if Google search was doing just that we will still be using AltaVista and Google would have never existed. However what Google devs did that made a huge diffirence was to design an algorithm using AI techniques that not only returned accurate results but also related results. This made it possible to withstand spelling errors or differentiate between search results using the same name etc. Also customised the experience by keeping track of user's preferences via google analytics. As such this poses a problem, that Google not only is able to find a vast majority of the Pharo documentation because as I said we host it in websites taking advantage of SEO but also related info. This poses a problem because Google mixes up pharo results with pharao results, or maybe its still pharo but its a book, or a music band etc. The query I provided eliminates a problem that SEO cannot eliminate , removing the search results that is highly likely to not be related to OUR pharo. However even if this query provides a nice solution it is not waterproof. For example it does not include many of the blogs that keep track of pharo progress and document many of its parts. For example Ben recently posted a very nice guide for UFFI. Also there is no need for this query if you search for specific class or method names since its far less likely that Google will return irrelevant results. Also another problem is the rapid improvement of Pharo, this something begineers are not aware because its easy to underestimate how fast Pharo is moving mainly because of the fact is not popular. But Pharo moves forward very fast. So fast that is easy to fall in the trap of finding the right method and right class but not the up to date version, thus you need also date and time based search as well that google also provides. Also you may prefer to find PDFs because you will like a guide or in depth tutorial instead of some random discussion , or a two pages tutorial in that case you will add to the query filteype:PDF and so on Learning how to search with Google is an art by itself and no bringing it inside the Pharo image wont make a big difference to newcomers because we still need to implement a complex GUI to accommodate for many different needs. So we will be wasting time recreating Google inside the Pharo image and you will be using a tool that still requires to learn things similar what you need to learn for using Google search. No matter the language you are learning the workflow is similar, start with a beginner friendly guide or book, join a forum and ask for directions, take a look at youtube tutorials and learn how to use Google. Pharo or no Pharo, you will lose a great deal of efficiency if you do not learn how to use Google. So no we do not need to SEO world.st , stackoverflow, github , or slideshare they are doing a pretty good job Smalltalkhub and blog posts may not be SEO but a) Smalltalkhub is a dead project no longer maintained other than making sure the server is online b) we cannot force people to SEO their blogs, thats up to them

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] making scroll smooth

by Thierry Goubier

Hi Siemen, there is such a place, but it is not as easy as it seems. First, the widget has to accept per-pixel position of the top of the view, which is often something you want to avoid because it is fairly complex. Then you need to ensure that the scrolling can be done per pixel; whereas it is often done with a stepping in the scrollbar, because the ability to scroll by one line is essential. And last, you need to play with transformations, because the scrollbar is only giving a number between 0.0 and 1.0, not a line number nor a pixel position. And more than last: per pixel scrolling is slow, so you need to look into having variable speed scrolling, with an ease-in, ease-out behavior to have proper feedback. Regards, Thierry 2017-01-13 11:41 GMT+01:00 Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com>: > There must be a place that defines that scroll should happen by a line > height, rather than continuously... Does anyone know where to look? > > -- Siemen > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] making scroll smooth

by Henrik Nergaard

Hi Siemen, This is morph/widget specific so it would depend on what widget you want to change (see implementors of #mouseWheel: ). Best regards, Henrik Fra: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] PÃ¥ vegne av Siemen Baader Sendt: 13 January 2017 11:41 Til: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Emne: Re: [Pharo-users] making scroll smooth There must be a place that defines that scroll should happen by a line height, rather than continuously... Does anyone know where to look? -- Siemen

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] making scroll smooth

by Guillermo Polito

Check the FastTable package... I only know the entry point, others will give you better guidance though ^^. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There must be a place that defines that scroll should happen by a line > height, rather than continuously... Does anyone know where to look? > > -- Siemen > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] making scroll smooth

by Siemen Baader

There must be a place that defines that scroll should happen by a line height, rather than continuously... Does anyone know where to look? -- Siemen

Jan. 13, 2017