September 2016 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] ZÃ¼rich Smalltalkers' Meetup November 8th, 2016?

by Dimitris Chloupis

I think I am not the only interested into reading news about what happened in these meet ups. What did you guys discuss, what were your conclusions, any interesting projects, complains and critic , etc So that we who cannot attend may benefit from them ;) On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 at 22:46, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de < jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> wrote: > Dear Smalltalkers in the ZÃ¼rich Area, > > > it's probably time to get together again. It's been too much fun the > last few times to just miss this opportunity. > > So I suggest November 8, 2016 as the date for our next meetup. The > Steinfels has proven to be a suitable place, but if anybody has a better > idea, let me know. > > If you are interested, please send me a note and I'll keep you updated > on when, how, what and who. > > Hope to meet as many old and new Smalltalk enthusiasts and wannabes as > possible! > > > Joachim > > >

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo users count / estimate ?

by Alexandre Bergel

>From http://smalltalkhub.com 3463 repositories, 2704 users registered and 245751 packages uploaded. Alexandre > On Sep 14, 2016, at 12:15 PM, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > Hi all, > > for some silly report that I need to write I wanted to add an estimate of how many people worldwide use Pharo. I tried to find number of downloads of e.g. Pharo 5 to use that as a basis for estimation but I could not find this info online. Does the Pharo team have any usable statistics that can be shared ? > > TIA > -- > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Sept. 14, 2016

ZÃ¼rich Smalltalkers' Meetup November 8th, 2016?

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Dear Smalltalkers in the ZÃ¼rich Area, it's probably time to get together again. It's been too much fun the last few times to just miss this opportunity. So I suggest November 8, 2016 as the date for our next meetup. The Steinfels has proven to be a suitable place, but if anybody has a better idea, let me know. If you are interested, please send me a note and I'll keep you updated on when, how, what and who. Hope to meet as many old and new Smalltalk enthusiasts and wannabes as possible! Joachim

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo users count / estimate ?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

There are "smart" enough log analyzers to separate unique visitors, by IP, UA, etc. Because otherwise INRIA's CI would count as 300 hits ;-) Esteban A. Maringolo 2016-09-14 16:26 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > I count as 12 , just saying > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:25 PM Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Getting HTTP logs from SmalltalkHub should give us some hints on the >> most requested projects. >> The same goes for the get.pharo.org files. >> Esteban A. Maringolo >> >> >> 2016-09-14 12:15 GMT-03:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > for some silly report that I need to write I wanted to add an estimate >> > of how many people worldwide use Pharo. I tried to find number of downloads >> > of e.g. Pharo 5 to use that as a basis for estimation but I could not find >> > this info online. Does the Pharo team have any usable statistics that can be >> > shared ? >> > >> > TIA >> > -- >> > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! >> > Please see http://emailcharter.org . >> > >> > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - >> > University of Chile >> > >> > >> >

Sept. 14, 2016

Extending live coding beyond Pharo

by Dimitris Chloupis

Live coding on Pharo is great, easy , simple and working out of the box. An extremely useful tool to be able to code an application while it runs, change and improve code with no interruptions. However there will be cases that Pharo wont be enough, that can be because pharo code is not as fast as you want it to be, or plainly you found a great library in C or C++ you wanna use from Pharo and there is literally a ton of them. However there is a catch , you kiss goodbye to live coding , you say hello to slow compiles and crashes because of bad memory management. Unfortunately that is the nature of C/C++. However live coding is gaining ground lately and more and more languages use it for super fast development. Some C++ coders have wondered whether they can bring this feature back to C++ and they have succeed. One example is Unreal game engine I am using .It can compile code on the fly and load it back even though the game is keep running. It calls this process "hot reloading". But for people that dont want to bother with Unreal there is this project http://runtimecompiledcplusplus.blogspot.gr/ The nice things about this is that not only it allows for live coding and very fast compiles but also its able to catch crashes with system exceptions, in a case of a crash the application keeps running because the crashy code is exchanged with the previous version of the code that did not crash and the crash is captured with an exception, you can use the debugger to debug it , correct the code and continue like you would with Pharo. There are disadvantages though, because RCPP makes no compromises when it comes to performance that means that it needs a very specific way of coding to accomodate for live coding, usually a main loop should exist and there is an API that must be used to track changes to the files and reload code on demand. But generally it does work very well and its also used by commercial projects all around the world. This will be a real nice addition to the toolbox of people who like to extend Pharo with C/C++ but do not want to live the comforts of live coding and have low tolerance for slow compile times and crashes.

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Class shown in _UnpackagedPackage but belongs to package

by stepharo

Hi esteban I would love to know how you did it, to fix it. Even my bad power that break anything I touch did not succeed recently to get this bug back :) Stef Le 14/9/16 Ã 05:58, Esteban A. Maringolo a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > After renaming, promoting as tag, moving to package and other > non-secuential operations in Nautilus which screwed up the packaging, > now all classes are shown in _UnpackagedPackage but when browsed via > Spotter they show the right package in the class template. > > SequenceableCollection subclass: #OrderedCollection > instanceVariableNames: 'array firstIndex lastIndex' > classVariableNames: '' > package: 'Collections-Sequenceable' > > Any pointers on how to fix/rebuild whatever is needed? > It took me two classes and less than 5 minutes to screw it, I guess > it's a new record. :) > > Regards! > > ps: this happens with the latest 5.0 image and vm version. > > Esteban A. Maringolo > >

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo users count / estimate ?

by Dimitris Chloupis

I count as 12 , just saying On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 10:25 PM Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Getting HTTP logs from SmalltalkHub should give us some hints on the > most requested projects. > The same goes for the get.pharo.org files. > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2016-09-14 12:15 GMT-03:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > Hi all, > > > > for some silly report that I need to write I wanted to add an estimate > of how many people worldwide use Pharo. I tried to find number of downloads > of e.g. Pharo 5 to use that as a basis for estimation but I could not find > this info online. Does the Pharo team have any usable statistics that can > be shared ? > > > > TIA > > -- > > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! > Please see http://emailcharter.org . > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - > University of Chile > > > > > >

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo users count / estimate ?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

I think that a better metric to complement those ones, would be the people who ended the MOOC. Cheers, Offray On 14/09/16 21:15, stepharo wrote: > Difficult to say > > We got 100 committers for Pharo 50 > > We got 3411 registrered participants to the mooc (whatever it means). > > > Le 14/9/16 Ã 17:15, Johan Fabry a Ã©crit : >> Hi all, >> >> for some silly report that I need to write I wanted to add an >> estimate of how many people worldwide use Pharo. I tried to find >> number of downloads of e.g. Pharo 5 to use that as a basis for >> estimation but I could not find this info online. Does the Pharo team >> have any usable statistics that can be shared ? >> >> TIA >> -- >> Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be >> rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - >> University of Chile >> >> >> > > >

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo users count / estimate ?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Getting HTTP logs from SmalltalkHub should give us some hints on the most requested projects. The same goes for the get.pharo.org files. Esteban A. Maringolo 2016-09-14 12:15 GMT-03:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > Hi all, > > for some silly report that I need to write I wanted to add an estimate of how many people worldwide use Pharo. I tried to find number of downloads of e.g. Pharo 5 to use that as a basis for estimation but I could not find this info online. Does the Pharo team have any usable statistics that can be shared ? > > TIA > -- > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Sept. 14, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo users count / estimate ?

by stepharo

Difficult to say We got 100 committers for Pharo 50 We got 3411 registrered participants to the mooc (whatever it means). Le 14/9/16 Ã 17:15, Johan Fabry a Ã©crit : > Hi all, > > for some silly report that I need to write I wanted to add an estimate of how many people worldwide use Pharo. I tried to find number of downloads of e.g. Pharo 5 to use that as a basis for estimation but I could not find this info online. Does the Pharo team have any usable statistics that can be shared ? > > TIA > -- > Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I donât mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > >

Sept. 14, 2016