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Re: [Pharo-users] VW Store access (Re: Pharo and GIT)

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:37 PM, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2016-07-26 11:23 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: >> >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Thierry Goubier >> <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Note, for those who miss VW Store, that Squeak has a Magma mapping for >> > code. >> >> This sounds useful. Could you describe it a bit more how to use and >> where to get it? > > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2665 > > Monticello integration > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5603 > > I think loading Magma from Squeak Map should give you that. I remember Eliot > saying that Chris did a whole database of all Squeak code at one point, but > I can't find that again. > > Thierry > >> >> cheers -ben >> > Thanks Thierry. But I didn't see "Store" mentioned on either of those pages. So I think I misunderstood your original comment to mean... Magma could access code in the VM Store. cheers -ben

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: >> Norbert Fortelny wrote: >>>Something I have not figured out how to do easily in the Pharo system >>>browser: I am looking at a method and want to see how a message that is used in this >>>method is implemented. >> >> Have a look at my Message Flow browser: >> >> http://forum.world.st/ANN-MessageFlowBrowser-td4849049.html >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRd_bzGocQg > > Great soundtrack! Takes me back to when I was travelling and settled > into the clubbing life in London for a while. > Sorry, I was too distracted to pay attention to what else was > happening in the demo :^] :^] > cheers -ben Had another look at it. Pretty cool. It might be a good drop in replacement to the "Implementers/Senders of" dialogs. When meta+m is pressed, open message flow pre-expanded at the relevant implementers/senders. cheers -ben

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?

by Norbert Fortelny

> Hi Norbert, > > As a newcomer, just curious about your impression of the double-key > shortcut "Ctrl/Cmd + B + M" shown against the "Implementers of..." > menu item? > Do you think you would have discovered yourself using meta+m like > Henrik describes if that was what was shown as the menu item shortcut > instead? > > cheers -ben > No, I wouldn't have, or rather maybe, if I had tried hard enough. As it is in 5.0 this is clear and easy. Being on a Mac it even shows me the â correctly, great! Pharo has come a long way. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/System-Browser-Implementors-of-drill-down-tp4907380p4… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Norbert Fortelny wrote: >>Something I have not figured out how to do easily in the Pharo system >>browser: I am looking at a method and want to see how a message that is used in this >>method is implemented. > > Have a look at my Message Flow browser: > > http://forum.world.st/ANN-MessageFlowBrowser-td4849049.html > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRd_bzGocQg Great soundtrack! Takes me back to when I was travelling and settled into the clubbing life in London for a while. Sorry, I was too distracted to pay attention to what else was happening in the demo :^] :^] cheers -ben

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Norbert Fortelny < norbert.fortelny(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What about just adding the method itself as the first item to the list. > Like it is in VW Smalltalk: attached. > Could I try my hand on this? > Does anyone know about possible pitfalls to be aware of? > Old hands: any thoughts? > I'm trying to hard to think whether I'd like that or not - but I'm not sure. If no one really objects, you should give it a go. Nothing like jumping in feet first to get to know a platform. cheers -ben

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?

by Ben Coman

> -----Original Message----- > From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Norbert Fortelny > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:55 PM > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down? > > Something I have not figured out how to do easily in the Pharo system > browser: > I am looking at a method and want to see how a message that is used in this method is implemented. In other Smalltalks (e.g. Cincoms) I use the menu item "Implementors of..." and get a list of all the messages that are used in this method and can choose one to drill down. > In Pharo I get an immediate answer but only the implementors of my original method. > Why are there those "..." at the end of this menu item indicating some further choice when there is none? > How to do this drilling down in Pharo? On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:03 AM, Henrik Nergaard <henrik.nergaard(a)uia.no> wrote: > This can be achieved by selecting the message/class from the text area and either right clicking and using the menu->submenu "Code search..." or you can use the shortcuts: meta+m for implementors, meta+n for senders, and meta+shift+n for references of it. > There is also a shortcut (meta+space) for selecting the whole text between separators from where the cursor is. > > "meta" is what <OSPlatform current defaultModifier> evaluates to (Ctrl on windows) . > > Best regards, > Henrik > Hi Norbert, As a newcomer, just curious about your impression of the double-key shortcut "Ctrl/Cmd + B + M" shown against the "Implementers of..." menu item? Do you think you would have discovered yourself using meta+m like Henrik describes if that was what was shown as the menu item shortcut instead? cheers -ben

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

I like the that one too. Cannot think of any pitfalls. HernÃ¡n 2016-07-26 5:15 GMT-03:00 Norbert Fortelny <norbert.fortelny(a)gmail.com>: > What about just adding the method itself as the first item to the list. > Like it is in VW Smalltalk: attached. > Could I try my hand on this? > Does anyone know about possible pitfalls to be aware of? > Old hands: any thoughts? > > On 26/07/2016 01:50, hernanmd [via Smalltalk] wrote: > > > See attachment > > > > HernÃ¡n > > > > > > 2016-07-24 18:19 GMT-03:00 stepharo <[hidden email] > > </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4907915&i=0>>: > > > > Hi hernan > > > > Could you send a screenshot so that I understand precisely what you > > mean? > > > > I tend to listen to grumbling people like you and me :) > > > > Stef > > > > > > Le 22/7/16 Ã 09:24, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : > >> This was actually implemented in older versions of Pharo (or > >> Squeak), the browser also included very handy buttons in the > >> middle to save precious clicks. > >> > >> The right thing to do is to replace the "..." non-sense with the > >> selected method selector, and to offer another menu item which > >> displays all method selectors of the currently selected method, > >> and let the user to decide which one to browse. > >> > >> HernÃ¡n > >> > >> 2016-07-21 14:54 GMT-03:00 Norbert Fortelny <[hidden email] > >> </user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4907915&i=1>>: > >> > >> Something I have not figured out how to do easily in the Pharo > >> system > >> browser: > >> I am looking at a method and want to see how a message that is > >> used in this > >> method is implemented. In other Smalltalks (e.g. Cincoms) I > >> use the menu > >> item "Implementors of..." and get a list of all the messages > >> that are used > >> in this method and can choose one to drill down. > >> In Pharo I get an immediate answer but only the implementors > >> of my original > >> method. > >> Why are there those "..." at the end of this menu item > >> indicating some > >> further choice when there is none? > >> How to do this drilling down in Pharo? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> View this message in context: > >> > http://forum.world.st/System-Browser-Implementors-of-drill-down-tp4907380.h… > >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at > >> Nabble.com. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > *CHB1.jpg* (134K) Download Attachment > > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4907915/0/CHB1.jpg> > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > > below: > > > http://forum.world.st/System-Browser-Implementors-of-drill-down-tp4907380p4… > > > > To unsubscribe from System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?, > > click here > > < > > NAML > > < > http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > > > > > > *Senders in VW ST.tiff* (1M) Download Attachment > <http://forum.world.st/attachment/4907955/0/Senders%20in%20VW%20ST.tiff> > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: System Browser "Implementors of..." > drill down? > <http://forum.world.st/System-Browser-Implementors-of-drill-down-tp4907380p4…> > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com. >

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] VW Store access (Re: Pharo and GIT)

by Thierry Goubier

2016-07-26 11:23 GMT+02:00 Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com>: > On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Thierry Goubier > <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Note, for those who miss VW Store, that Squeak has a Magma mapping for > code. > > This sounds useful. Could you describe it a bit more how to use and > where to get it? > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2665 Monticello integration http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5603 I think loading Magma from Squeak Map should give you that. I remember Eliot saying that Chris did a whole database of all Squeak code at one point, but I can't find that again. Thierry > cheers -ben > >

July 26, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] System Browser "Implementors of..." drill down?

by Esteban Lorenzano

message flow is cool. I would consider seriously to include it in the core tools and ship it with Pharo. Esteban > On 26 Jul 2016, at 11:18, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > > Norbert Fortelny wrote: >> Something I have not figured out how to do easily in the Pharo system >> browser: I am looking at a method and want to see how a message that is used in this >> method is implemented. > > Have a look at my Message Flow browser: > > http://forum.world.st/ANN-MessageFlowBrowser-td4849049.html > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRd_bzGocQg > > It should do the job you need. You can load it from Catalog. > It mimics a "dive in like" message browser that is found in SmalltalkMT but for Pharo. > > HernÃ¡n Morales Durand >> This was actually implemented in older versions of Pharo (or Squeak), the >> browser also included very handy buttons in the middle to save precious >> clicks. > > Yes - this was removed from Pharo but was useful. > > Stef wrote: >> I would also love to scope and manipulate the scope of the list. For >> example I would like > > Some Smalltalks had "Senders"/"Implementors" and "Local Senders"/"Local Implementors" > just checking the hierarchy upwards. > This was useful and we possibly should include such facilities (scoped to hierarchy, package, ...) > in the future again. > > Thanks > Torsten >

July 26, 2016

VW Store access (Re: Pharo and GIT)

by Ben Coman

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Note, for those who miss VW Store, that Squeak has a Magma mapping for code. This sounds useful. Could you describe it a bit more how to use and where to get it? cheers -ben

July 26, 2016