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Re: [Pharo-users] New Success Story: Sysmocom: Free Software for Mobile Communication

by Esteban A. Maringolo

It is really cool and impressive. Is any of the supporting libraries open-source? (like ASN.1) Regards! Esteban A. Maringolo 2016-05-23 11:20 GMT-03:00 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com>: > Wow, that is pretty nice! Nice to see another success story and we hope > there are more to come. > > Best, > > On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > >> Sysmocom: Free Software for Mobile Communication >> http://pharo.org/success/Sysmocom >> >> >> "Sysmocom is a leading provider of Free Software Mobile Communication >> solutions. In 2012 we have started a long term project to develop a >> complete ASN1, TCAP, MAP, CAP, GSN stack using the Pharo Object >> Environment. We have decided to use Pharo because of the increased >> productivity, the great tooling, the live inspection and if necessary >> modification of a running system to deploy a critical bugfix. Pharo has >> allowed us to focus on what is important. >> >> The stack was used to uncover security and privacy issues inherent to the >> MAP protocol design in 2014/2015. We have used the stack to build a >> carrier-grade AuthenticationCenter (AuC) and helped a customer to move >> their production traffic off a proprietary system to ours. We look forward >> to move a HomeLocationRegister (HLR) into production this year. said Holger >> Freyther CEO." >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OT - an opinion on node.js

by Bob Clark

On 05/23/2016 02:09 PM, Jimmie Houchin wrote: > > > On 05/23/2016 01:05 PM, Bob Clark wrote: >> >> On 05/23/2016 09:50 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> The video is intentionally inflammatory and I don't really see a >>>> reason why >>>> we would need to either start a flame war (if there are node.js >>>> devs reading >>>> it), or an echo chamber (so we all just put ourselves on the back >>>> hour great >>>> our Pharo is). >>>> >>>>> Never used it. >>>>> I'd be interested to hear any counter opinons. >>>> wtf? >>> you a right. I'm embarrassed I didn't think it through. >>> I apologise, it was out of line. >>> -ben >> >> Thanks for posting this, I got to really laughing and my morning is >> much better now. I didn't quite hear what he said, I thought I heard >> LIPS? Did he say It's because of you ... we are all using LIPS? Is >> that slang for Pharo? Does Pharo have some project named LIPS? I am a >> little confused. What is it? >> > > I don't know if you are serious or are being funny. Either way he > said, LISP. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language) > > An older and interesting language. > > Jimmie > Well, yes, :) I wass trying to be funny but also to link to pharo. I think lisp co-evolved with smalltalk-80 yes, so there's a connection. Lets think about what LiPS could be in pharo... I thinkits the Little Presentation System, a minimal & modular UI/Ux than can be loaded into a headless image, and expanded as needed. Then when a headless instance gets hurt, we'd add some Lips to make it better. We have a better mythology. > > An older and interesting language. very. bob

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OT - an opinion on node.js

by Dimitris Chloupis

I think from what I have heard at least people use Node.js because its well designed and because they can use a language many people are familiar with Javascript. Personally I have little interest in web development . I cant say I find the video funny since it seems to draw a caricature over people who prefer one technology over another. Afterall you could as well make a video about Pharo vs other languages and IDEs and debate that the boosted productivity is not much and in cases much slower than using other languages. The answer to those matters is never simple anyway. And In the end what it counts is the end results, all those tools are just means to an end. So try to convince people about which is best, is kinda pointless as it is this video. We can all be friendly make our own choices without offending other people. On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 8:43 PM Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Personally, I don't think it is out of line. Off topic, as you stated, > but not out of line. > > Here is the deal. The people on this mailing list form a community. We > get to know each other in a manner. We trust and value the opinions of > at least some of the people in this community. To me it is okay to ask > off topic question and opinions within limits. If that were the only > contribution to the community. The person might be more like a troll. > You my friend are no troll. You are a regular and valued member of the > community and deserve some liberty for off topic conversation. :) > > Just one community member's opinion. > > No opinion on the video (haven't watched it yet) nor node.js (never used > it). > > Jimmie > > > On 05/23/2016 08:50 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> The video is intentionally inflammatory and I don't really see a reason > why > >> we would need to either start a flame war (if there are node.js devs > reading > >> it), or an echo chamber (so we all just put ourselves on the back hour > great > >> our Pharo is). > >> > >>> Never used it. > >>> I'd be interested to hear any counter opinons. > >> wtf? > > you a right. I'm embarrassed I didn't think it through. > > I apologise, it was out of line. > > -ben > > > > >

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OT - an opinion on node.js

by Jimmie Houchin

On 05/23/2016 01:05 PM, Bob Clark wrote: > > On 05/23/2016 09:50 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> The video is intentionally inflammatory and I don't really see a >>> reason why >>> we would need to either start a flame war (if there are node.js devs >>> reading >>> it), or an echo chamber (so we all just put ourselves on the back >>> hour great >>> our Pharo is). >>> >>>> Never used it. >>>> I'd be interested to hear any counter opinons. >>> wtf? >> you a right. I'm embarrassed I didn't think it through. >> I apologise, it was out of line. >> -ben > > Thanks for posting this, I got to really laughing and my morning is > much better now. I didn't quite hear what he said, I thought I heard > LIPS? Did he say It's because of you ... we are all using LIPS? Is > that slang for Pharo? Does Pharo have some project named LIPS? I am a > little confused. What is it? > I don't know if you are serious or are being funny. Either way he said, LISP. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(programming_language) An older and interesting language. Jimmie

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OT - an opinion on node.js

by Bob Clark

On 05/23/2016 09:50 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> The video is intentionally inflammatory and I don't really see a reason why >> we would need to either start a flame war (if there are node.js devs reading >> it), or an echo chamber (so we all just put ourselves on the back hour great >> our Pharo is). >> >>> Never used it. >>> I'd be interested to hear any counter opinons. >> wtf? > you a right. I'm embarrassed I didn't think it through. > I apologise, it was out of line. > -ben Thanks for posting this, I got to really laughing and my morning is much better now. I didn't quite hear what he said, I thought I heard LIPS? Did he say It's because of you ... we are all using LIPS? Is that slang for Pharo? Does Pharo have some project named LIPS? I am a little confused. What is it? - B

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OT - an opinion on node.js

by Jimmie Houchin

Personally, I don't think it is out of line. Off topic, as you stated, but not out of line. Here is the deal. The people on this mailing list form a community. We get to know each other in a manner. We trust and value the opinions of at least some of the people in this community. To me it is okay to ask off topic question and opinions within limits. If that were the only contribution to the community. The person might be more like a troll. You my friend are no troll. You are a regular and valued member of the community and deserve some liberty for off topic conversation. :) Just one community member's opinion. No opinion on the video (haven't watched it yet) nor node.js (never used it). Jimmie On 05/23/2016 08:50 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> The video is intentionally inflammatory and I don't really see a reason why >> we would need to either start a flame war (if there are node.js devs reading >> it), or an echo chamber (so we all just put ourselves on the back hour great >> our Pharo is). >> >>> Never used it. >>> I'd be interested to hear any counter opinons. >> wtf? > you a right. I'm embarrassed I didn't think it through. > I apologise, it was out of line. > -ben >

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OT - an opinion on node.js

by David T. Lewis

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 09:50:32PM +0800, Ben Coman wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Peter Uhn??k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The video is intentionally inflammatory and I don't really see a reason why > > we would need to either start a flame war (if there are node.js devs reading > > it), or an echo chamber (so we all just put ourselves on the back hour great > > our Pharo is). > > > >> Never used it. > >> I'd be interested to hear any counter opinons. > > > > wtf? > > you a right. I'm embarrassed I didn't think it through. > I apologise, it was out of line. > -ben Don't feel too badly, I for one got a good laugh out of it :-) Dave

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] New Success Story: Sysmocom: Free Software for Mobile Communication

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Wow, that is pretty nice! Nice to see another success story and we hope there are more to come. Best, On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 8:05 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Sysmocom: Free Software for Mobile Communication > http://pharo.org/success/Sysmocom > > > "Sysmocom is a leading provider of Free Software Mobile Communication > solutions. In 2012 we have started a long term project to develop a > complete ASN1, TCAP, MAP, CAP, GSN stack using the Pharo Object > Environment. We have decided to use Pharo because of the increased > productivity, the great tooling, the live inspection and if necessary > modification of a running system to deploy a critical bugfix. Pharo has > allowed us to focus on what is important. > > The stack was used to uncover security and privacy issues inherent to the > MAP protocol design in 2014/2015. We have used the stack to build a > carrier-grade AuthenticationCenter (AuC) and helped a customer to move > their production traffic off a proprietary system to ours. We look forward > to move a HomeLocationRegister (HLR) into production this year. said Holger > Freyther CEO." > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] OT - an opinion on node.js

by Ben Coman

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 4:44 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The video is intentionally inflammatory and I don't really see a reason why > we would need to either start a flame war (if there are node.js devs reading > it), or an echo chamber (so we all just put ourselves on the back hour great > our Pharo is). > >> Never used it. >> I'd be interested to hear any counter opinons. > > wtf? you a right. I'm embarrassed I didn't think it through. I apologise, it was out of line. -ben

May 23, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Panama Papers: a case for reproducible research, data activism and frictionless data (powered by Pharo)

by GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio

Thanks for your details answer. I will review your blog post, I have to learn Roassal too so it's a good way to begin... If you can yes please share these scripts :) Yes it seem to be the same webinar that I indicated in my previos mail ;) Regards. 2016-05-21 0:27 GMT-03:00 Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < offray.luna(a)mutabit.com>: > Thanks GastÃ³n for your interest. > > I used csv and imported to sqlite, because that's the way the ICIJ > released their info and let me query aggregated information in an easy way. > I bridge SQLite with Pharo using UDBC and then the choropleth map was made > on Roassal. Details are in the blog post ;-). > > My first attempt was trying to load all nodes in (Entities in the offshore > leaks database) in Roassal and query/visualize directly from it, but with > over 150k nodes the environment started to lag and doesn't was as > responsive as I want for exploring the dataset. That's why I switched > quickly to sqlite. I think that this keeps the environment agile and covers > a pretty good amount of the cases when you work with tabular data and even > some specific graphs could be replicated from the exported CVS files > containing the entities and their relationships. My focus was more on > accuracy of the visualization, trying to put the rest of the territories in > a Roassal map. If you're interested I can put a quick script to run the > visualization/notebook in your Moose image. > > I have not used Neo4J, but there will be a seminar on how it was used in > the Panama Papers next Tuesday: > > http://info.neo4j.com/0526-register.html > > Cheers, > > Offray > > > On 20/05/16 16:42, GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio wrote: > > Hi. Looks good :) > > Just out of curiosity, what data format you used? csv, sqlite? > > I am interested in using Neo4j from pharo ( > <http://smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7EMasashiUmezawa/Neo4reSt> > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~MasashiUmezawa/Neo4reSt) with a large > database, and few days ago and found the ICIJ used Neo4j to relate > information. In a few days they will give a webinar: > > http://info.neo4j.com/05262016-ICIJandPanamaPapersOnDemand_Registration.html > > A question, you can use Neo4reSt to store data and Pharo/Roassal for > display on a more or less friendly way? or there is a lot impedance between > graph models? > > > > 2016-05-20 13:44 GMT-03:00 Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < > <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com>offray.luna(a)mutabit.com>: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm glad to share my recent work with Pharo/Roassal in the form of a >> minisite[1] and a detailed blog entry[2] arguing about interactive >> environments for increasing understanding and participation in data >> phenomena: >> >> [1] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/panama-papers/doc/tip/index.html >> [2] http://mutabit.com/offray/blog/en/entry/panama-papers-1 >> >> Using a relatively simple visualization I advocate for this case. The >> bigger issues here were not related with visualization, but with >> accuracy/completion of the information. For example the original RTSVGPath >> includes only 167 world territories, but Panama Papers mentions over 210. >> Improving accuracy lead to hunting a bug and to its bugfix. So we have a >> more cleaver reader for SVG in Roassal. I was fighting for several days >> with newbie errors (like the one on the download bar not advancing, despite >> of the download being made). >> >> I think that this are good exemplars on how Pharo Roassal is a superb >> moldable and affordable platform on the issues of data oriented >> reproducible research (in journalism and/or activism and others). >> >> Comments and suggestions are welcomed, as always. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Offray >> >> > >

May 23, 2016