November 2016 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 12:15, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> On 2 Nov 2016, at 11:32, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Oups sorry you meant just Pharo, I have a clean build of Pharo 6 (latest VM- latest image) every day so its easy to check the total size of the folder. >> >> Its 47 MBs for the image , 43 MBs for the vm (including plugins) and the rest is just 10 mbs of various things. > > ah, but this is fake (we have a bug shrinking the image). > real image is around 32m. > sources are also 32m. > changes are going to be zero on release. > > how you get 43m in vm? > my VMs (all of them, linux, win and mac), are never bigger than 12m > > cheers! > Esteban sorry, I forget: 32+32+11=75m to have: Java+javasrc.zip (I do not remember the name)+eclipse+tomcat+â¦ not bad :P (it is not bad at all being 100m either ;) ) Esteban

Nov. 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 11:32, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Oups sorry you meant just Pharo, I have a clean build of Pharo 6 (latest VM- latest image) every day so its easy to check the total size of the folder. > > Its 47 MBs for the image , 43 MBs for the vm (including plugins) and the rest is just 10 mbs of various things. ah, but this is fake (we have a bug shrinking the image). real image is around 32m. sources are also 32m. changes are going to be zero on release. how you get 43m in vm? my VMs (all of them, linux, win and mac), are never bigger than 12m cheers! Esteban

Nov. 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Dimitris Chloupis

obviously not, added them as a reference for the comparison ;) On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:19 PM Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > 2016-11-02 11:04 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > > So No, the Pharo installation is not large its actually small . You think > I am joking ? Ok lets take a look at some of the most popular programming > languages out there > > 1) Pharo = 100 MBs > 2) Cuis = 70 MBs > > > some of the most popular programming languages :) >

Nov. 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Dimitris Chloupis

Oups sorry you meant just Pharo, I have a clean build of Pharo 6 (latest VM- latest image) every day so its easy to check the total size of the folder. Its 47 MBs for the image , 43 MBs for the vm (including plugins) and the rest is just 10 mbs of various things.

Nov. 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Dimitris Chloupis

The numbers are widely available online , since most software comes with minimum system requirements. .NET was the only real challenge because Microsoft tries to mislead you into thinking its small by saying the installer is few MBs , BUT, the installer obviously is a web installer and it depends on previous installations of .NET. Here some links http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21230657/what-is-the-current-full-instal… https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-size-and-how-long-does-it-take-Visual-Stu… http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Seattle/en/Installation_Notes etc For Pharo, Cuis, Lua, Python, Ruby , Gambas and XCODE I have them installed so I can directly verify and confirm these number. I can also switch to my Windows boot to confirm Visual Studio and .NET but I dont have too since I have a rough idea because I installed the Windows boot a week ago and I remember how long the installs took. > >

Nov. 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Denis Kudriashov

2016-11-02 11:04 GMT+01:00 Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > So No, the Pharo installation is not large its actually small . You think > I am joking ? Ok lets take a look at some of the most popular programming > languages out there > > 1) Pharo = 100 MBs > 2) Cuis = 70 MBs > some of the most popular programming languages :)

Nov. 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 2 Nov 2016, at 11:04, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > So No, the Pharo installation is not large its actually small . You think I am joking ? Ok lets take a look at some of the most popular programming languages out there > > 1) Pharo = 100 MBs where do you get this number? (not to say that also Pharo is like Java+Eclipse+Tomcat+â¦) Esteban > 2) Cuis = 70 MBs > 3) Python = 100MBs > 4) Java = 120 MBbs > 5) .NET = 240Mbs > 6) Ruby , source code folder alone 92mb , with build 200mbs > 7) Javascript , Firefox = 200 MBs > > > and it does not stop there, because none of the above is similar to Pharo, they dont come with IDEs so lets take a look at programming languages packaged with IDEs > > 1) Visual Studio (C++, C#, Visual Basic etc) 7 GBs > 2) XCode (ObjC, Swift , C/C++ [clang]) 13 GBs > 3) Delphi = 2 GBs ( not including .NET) > 4) Gambas , source code alone 60 MBs (Visual Basic 6 free software clone) , cant build it on MacOS > 5) Cygwin , ranges from 100 mbs to 100 GBs > > Of course that does not mean that extremely small installs do not exist, they do > > An example is Lua, the Lua executable is only 300 KBs (300 times smaller than Pharo) but its super bare bones (no IDE, no GUI , no GUI API, no standard library, no version control, pretty much nothing)

Nov. 2, 2016

No, the installation of Pharo is not large its actually small

by Dimitris Chloupis

So No, the Pharo installation is not large its actually small . You think I am joking ? Ok lets take a look at some of the most popular programming languages out there 1) Pharo = 100 MBs 2) Cuis = 70 MBs 3) Python = 100MBs 4) Java = 120 MBbs 5) .NET = 240Mbs 6) Ruby , source code folder alone 92mb , with build 200mbs 7) Javascript , Firefox = 200 MBs and it does not stop there, because none of the above is similar to Pharo, they dont come with IDEs so lets take a look at programming languages packaged with IDEs 1) Visual Studio (C++, C#, Visual Basic etc) 7 GBs 2) XCode (ObjC, Swift , C/C++ [clang]) 13 GBs 3) Delphi = 2 GBs ( not including .NET) 4) Gambas , source code alone 60 MBs (Visual Basic 6 free software clone) , cant build it on MacOS 5) Cygwin , ranges from 100 mbs to 100 GBs Of course that does not mean that extremely small installs do not exist, they do An example is Lua, the Lua executable is only 300 KBs (300 times smaller than Pharo) but its super bare bones (no IDE, no GUI , no GUI API, no standard library, no version control, pretty much nothing)

Nov. 2, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Keeping data with an application

by Dale Henrichs

On 11/1/16 12:28 PM, sergio ruiz wrote: > Okay.. is Voyage ready to rock and/or roll? Voyage is definitely ready to rock and roll ... Voyage/Tugrik is ready to be rocked ... it is functional and passes the tests (on Pharo5.0). For this project, I want to make progress based on feedback from users ... there are lots of different directions that could be taken from this starting point and I want to be driven by user feedback ... so if you are willing to provide feedback I am willing to work with you ... The only change that I think I need to make is to improve the session pool logic ... it works fine, but the session boundary is not quite at right level to make the best use of GemStone sessions ... With "direct access" to the server objects via Voyage Server Blocks I think that query api provided by MongoTalk may not be that interesting, but this is the kind of information I am looking for from users ... If MongoTalk _is_ interesting then you should know that I did not try to fill out the full MongoDB query language, yet ... I implemented the features excercised by tests, so if you hit something that you you find lacking then I will plug the gap ... it is relatively straight forward to implement the MongoDB query language (except for the bits that rely directly on the javascript language:) so it shouldn't take too long to fill in holes:) > > is today your birthday? for some reason, i got a notification of > several things on my machine today.. one of those being your birthday.. > > if so, happy birthday! Tomorrow is my birthday, thanks:) > > if not.. happy un-birthday! > > Dale

Nov. 1, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Keeping data with an application

by sergio ruiz

Okay.. is Voyage ready to rock and/or roll? is today your birthday? for some reason, i got a notification of several things on my machine today.. one of those being your birthday.. if so, happy birthday! if not.. happy un-birthday! On November 1, 2016 at 2:16:57 PM, Dale Henrichs (dale.henrichs(a)gemtalksystems.com) wrote: You might take a look at the talk I gave on Voyage/Tugrik at ESUG(slides[1], video[2]). The project is in a functional, but roughed out stage ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary Public Key:Â http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 #BitMessageÂ BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV http://www.Village-Buzz.com http://www.ThoseOptimizeGuys.com http://www.coffee-black.com http://www.painlessfrugality.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

Nov. 1, 2016