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Re: [Pharo-users] Cover for PBE5

by Dimitris Chloupis

as you ordered , I throw in also a Seagull as a bonus :D https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/raw/master/Pharo%20demo/renders/render-… enjoy On Sun, Oct 30, 2016 at 10:34 AM stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > hi > > would it be possible to have > > by example in 3d below Pharo? > > Stef > > Le 29/10/16 Ã 16:27, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > > I did not want to go with the original design because frankly that is not > my style. I rather have something unique. > > Extruding the logo would look very boring and its definitely something I > dont want to do. > > I love the original design because it is really suits many scenarios > including icons and because its a good design. > > However here we dont talk about a simple logo to be used everywhere, this > is a book cover and plus Stef asked me to use this that I have created in > the past. The original design can continue to be around since it can serve > many other roles. > > Python books for example rarely use the python logo, usually they have > some painted snake or even mouse etc. By rarely I mean extremely rarely. > > https://goo.gl/b67ETW > > Another reason is that 3d graphics are quite hard to make , so its not > that simple for me to start from scratch and have something ready in 1 day. > The only thing I can do is tweak this to make it slightly better. > > On a question of form, its not a problem this is a 3d scene as such its > extremely flexible on how I can render this, it can be resized in any way > and change in proportion. > > In any case I have zero issues with going with the original cover or a > design not made by gets picked. I made this render because I will use it as > a background to my blog anyway so it wont go to waste. > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:05 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > > Nice, but I guess this was originally for something else since its not > in the book form factor which will change your composition. It would > be good to see a sample in book form factor. > > Also Pharo has its brand with the lighthouse in the big-O that I guess > it would be good to follow like the other books... > http://files.pharo.org/books/ > > How would it look to extrude logo.svg from here...? > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-flyers/tree/master/figures > > cheers -ben > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > So Stef reminded me that we are going to need a cover for PBE5 , so I > > decided to revive my now 2 year old pharo logo render and enhance it. I > > decided also to release all assets under MIT license as a present to the > > community. The repo can be found here > > > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/tree/master > > > > latest render can be found here > > > > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/raw/master/Pharo%20demo/renders/render-… > > > > this is not final render I have a few thing to improve but it is 90% > there. > > > > Hope you like, I leave the final decision on Stef. > > >

Oct. 30, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [vwnc] small examples to show the tools

by Norbert Hartl

Relax! 45 minutes is so less time. If you have more than one topic you will have a stressed schedule. Basic things of the language are good because that is what people are interested in. Using a complexer thing to show make sure most of the audience have understood the basics. Doing something across computers is not amazing at all if you do not know some of computer and network basics. Hope that helps a bit, Norbert > Am 30.10.2016 um 15:03 schrieb Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl>: > > I see the next talk is about docker, so live updating images sounds like the right thing to do. In Pharo I mostly show glamour, roassal and seaside. The rewrite engine might also be interesting to show. > > Stephan > > Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > >> Op 30 okt. 2016 om 08:39 heeft Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> het volgende geschreven: >> >> Hi all, >> >> in two weeks, I am going to give a little talk about Smalltalk: http://metameute.de/nook2016/ . >> It is 45 min with students who probably never heard of Smalltalk. >> I want to concentrate on the liveliness of the environment with the tools: Workspace, Inspector, Browser and Debugger. >> >> For this, I need a simple but nice example. >> >> I will use VisualWorks 8.2 and Mirko, a new Smalltalk lover, will use Pharo 5. >> We want to have the computers connected, maybe also a Pi, to show the platform independence of the image concept. >> >> The first idea was a chat client. A client and a server in one image. Then in two images on one machine, on two machines (also the Pi), maybe in two dialects (VW, Pharo). >> Possible to transfer code (blocks) across images (that should blow their minds J). >> This is cool, but I am not sure if this is not too much and distracting with other technologies. >> >> Another is to read a csv file or web service and parse it into objects. With the right kind of cool data it is fun to mold these objects for the tools. >> This not so sexy, but easy to do from scratch. Unfortunately, the different computers would not play a role. >> >> As you see, I am a bit lost and wanted to ask you guys for ideas. >> >> Happy hacking, >> Christian >> >> P.S. Here in LÃ¼beck, a town in northern Germany, the attitude towards Smalltalk is generally positive, interested and curious. Maybe it is time for a Smalltalk renaissance?

Oct. 30, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [vwnc] small examples to show the tools

by Stephan Eggermont

I see the next talk is about docker, so live updating images sounds like the right thing to do. In Pharo I mostly show glamour, roassal and seaside. The rewrite engine might also be interesting to show. Stephan Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone > Op 30 okt. 2016 om 08:39 heeft Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> het volgende geschreven: > > Hi all, > > in two weeks, I am going to give a little talk about Smalltalk: http://metameute.de/nook2016/ . > It is 45 min with students who probably never heard of Smalltalk. > I want to concentrate on the liveliness of the environment with the tools: Workspace, Inspector, Browser and Debugger. > > For this, I need a simple but nice example. > > I will use VisualWorks 8.2 and Mirko, a new Smalltalk lover, will use Pharo 5. > We want to have the computers connected, maybe also a Pi, to show the platform independence of the image concept. > > The first idea was a chat client. A client and a server in one image. Then in two images on one machine, on two machines (also the Pi), maybe in two dialects (VW, Pharo). > Possible to transfer code (blocks) across images (that should blow their minds J). > This is cool, but I am not sure if this is not too much and distracting with other technologies. > > Another is to read a csv file or web service and parse it into objects. With the right kind of cool data it is fun to mold these objects for the tools. > This not so sexy, but easy to do from scratch. Unfortunately, the different computers would not play a role. > > As you see, I am a bit lost and wanted to ask you guys for ideas. > > Happy hacking, > Christian > > P.S. Here in LÃ¼beck, a town in northern Germany, the attitude towards Smalltalk is generally positive, interested and curious. Maybe it is time for a Smalltalk renaissance?

Oct. 30, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [vwnc] small examples to show the tools

by Nicole de Graaf

Hi Chris, last year in Brussel (Fosdem 2015) Stephan Eggermond & me , did nearly the same . Your stepping in very high with your talk. (not a critic but observation last time I did it) Did you remember the âcool" thinks on Smalltalk: - Start with a SUnit Test - Create a method with accept in a Refactoring Browser (Both the same Pharo and VW) - Debugger is your friend - directly writing codeâ¦ The thinks you write down you can do with other languages too.. the question is more why using smalltalk. Success with you presentation :) Nic > On 30 Oct 2016, at 08:39, Christian Haider <christian.haider(a)smalltalked-visuals.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > in two weeks, I am going to give a little talk about Smalltalk: http://metameute.de/nook2016/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__metameute.de_nook2016_&…> . > It is 45 min with students who probably never heard of Smalltalk. > I want to concentrate on the liveliness of the environment with the tools: Workspace, Inspector, Browser and Debugger. > > For this, I need a simple but nice example. > > I will use VisualWorks 8.2 and Mirko, a new Smalltalk lover, will use Pharo 5. > We want to have the computers connected, maybe also a Pi, to show the platform independence of the image concept. > > The first idea was a chat client. A client and a server in one image. Then in two images on one machine, on two machines (also the Pi), maybe in two dialects (VW, Pharo). > Possible to transfer code (blocks) across images (that should blow their minds J). > This is cool, but I am not sure if this is not too much and distracting with other technologies. > > Another is to read a csv file or web service and parse it into objects. With the right kind of cool data it is fun to mold these objects for the tools. > This not so sexy, but easy to do from scratch. Unfortunately, the different computers would not play a role. > > As you see, I am a bit lost and wanted to ask you guys for ideas. > > Happy hacking, > Christian > > P.S. Here in LÃ¼beck, a town in northern Germany, the attitude towards Smalltalk is generally positive, interested and curious. Maybe it is time for a Smalltalk renaissance?

Oct. 30, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] small examples to show the tools

by stepharo

Hi christian cool to know. Pay attention not to do too much :) You can use teapot in Pharo for building a web app in one page of code and I found that quite cool. Stef Le 30/10/16 Ã 08:39, Christian Haider a Ã©crit : > > Hi all, > > in two weeks, I am going to give a little talk about Smalltalk: > http://metameute.de/nook2016/ . > > It is 45 min with students who probably never heard of Smalltalk. > > I want to concentrate on the liveliness of the environment with the > tools: Workspace, Inspector, Browser and Debugger. > > For this, I need a simple but nice example. > > I will use VisualWorks 8.2 and Mirko, a new Smalltalk lover, will use > Pharo 5. > > We want to have the computers connected, maybe also a Pi, to show the > platform independence of the image concept. > > The first idea was a chat client. A client and a server in one image. > Then in two images on one machine, on two machines (also the Pi), > maybe in two dialects (VW, Pharo). > > Possible to transfer code (blocks) across images (that should blow > their minds J). > > This is cool, but I am not sure if this is not too much and > distracting with other technologies. > > Another is to read a csv file or web service and parse it into > objects. With the right kind of cool data it is fun to mold these > objects for the tools. > > This not so sexy, but easy to do from scratch. Unfortunately, the > different computers would not play a role. > > As you see, I am a bit lost and wanted to ask you guys for ideas. > > Happy hacking, > > Christian > > P.S. Here in LÃ¼beck, a town in northern Germany, the attitude towards > Smalltalk is generally positive, interested and curious. Maybe it is > time for a Smalltalk renaissance? >

Oct. 30, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Cover for PBE5

by stepharo

hi would it be possible to have by example in 3d below Pharo? Stef Le 29/10/16 Ã 16:27, Dimitris Chloupis a Ã©crit : > I did not want to go with the original design because frankly that is > not my style. I rather have something unique. > > Extruding the logo would look very boring and its definitely something > I dont want to do. > > I love the original design because it is really suits many scenarios > including icons and because its a good design. > > However here we dont talk about a simple logo to be used everywhere, > this is a book cover and plus Stef asked me to use this that I have > created in the past. The original design can continue to be around > since it can serve many other roles. > > Python books for example rarely use the python logo, usually they have > some painted snake or even mouse etc. By rarely I mean extremely rarely. > > https://goo.gl/b67ETW > > Another reason is that 3d graphics are quite hard to make , so its not > that simple for me to start from scratch and have something ready in 1 > day. The only thing I can do is tweak this to make it slightly better. > > On a question of form, its not a problem this is a 3d scene as such > its extremely flexible on how I can render this, it can be resized in > any way and change in proportion. > > In any case I have zero issues with going with the original cover or a > design not made by gets picked. I made this render because I will use > it as a background to my blog anyway so it wont go to waste. > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:05 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com > <mailto:btc@openinworld.com>> wrote: > > Nice, but I guess this was originally for something else since its not > in the book form factor which will change your composition. It would > be good to see a sample in book form factor. > > Also Pharo has its brand with the lighthouse in the big-O that I guess > it would be good to follow like the other books... > http://files.pharo.org/books/ > > How would it look to extrude logo.svg from here...? > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-flyers/tree/master/figures > > cheers -ben > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > So Stef reminded me that we are going to need a cover for PBE5 , > so I > > decided to revive my now 2 year old pharo logo render and > enhance it. I > > decided also to release all assets under MIT license as a > present to the > > community. The repo can be found here > > > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/tree/master > > > > latest render can be found here > > > > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/raw/master/Pharo%20demo/renders/render-… > > > > this is not final render I have a few thing to improve but it is > 90% there. > > > > Hope you like, I leave the final decision on Stef. >

Oct. 30, 2016

small examples to show the tools

by Christian Haider

Hi all, in two weeks, I am going to give a little talk about Smalltalk: http://metameute.de/nook2016/ . It is 45 min with students who probably never heard of Smalltalk. I want to concentrate on the liveliness of the environment with the tools: Workspace, Inspector, Browser and Debugger. For this, I need a simple but nice example. I will use VisualWorks 8.2 and Mirko, a new Smalltalk lover, will use Pharo 5. We want to have the computers connected, maybe also a Pi, to show the platform independence of the image concept. The first idea was a chat client. A client and a server in one image. Then in two images on one machine, on two machines (also the Pi), maybe in two dialects (VW, Pharo). Possible to transfer code (blocks) across images (that should blow their minds :)). This is cool, but I am not sure if this is not too much and distracting with other technologies. Another is to read a csv file or web service and parse it into objects. With the right kind of cool data it is fun to mold these objects for the tools. This not so sexy, but easy to do from scratch. Unfortunately, the different computers would not play a role. As you see, I am a bit lost and wanted to ask you guys for ideas. Happy hacking, Christian P.S. Here in LÃ¼beck, a town in northern Germany, the attitude towards Smalltalk is generally positive, interested and curious. Maybe it is time for a Smalltalk renaissance?

Oct. 30, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Pharo By Example 5.0

by Dimitris Chloupis

I forgot to add that the final render of the book cover can be found here https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/raw/master/Pharo%20demo/renders/render-… have fun :) On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 9:38 PM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > As promised I released PBE5.0 just now, which basically puts a tag to our > github repository to mark the beginning of version 5 and also provided a > release in a fork of separate downloads for the book and the repository > itself which anything that is required to build the book. > > If you want just to read , downloading the pdf is enough. You can get the > release from here > > > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/releases/t… > > Unfortunately I was not able to port the Reflection chapter , it needs a > ton of work , probably a complete rewrite but since its a late chapter and > we already have achieved a 80% updating I think it was the right time now > that pharo 7 is starting developing . > > Still till PBE6.0 we have a long way to go but I think we can get there > far easier than we got from PBE1.4 to PBE5.0. > > The rest of the details are in the link. > > Salute to fellow Guardians of the Light :) >

Oct. 29, 2016

[ANN] Pharo By Example 5.0

by Dimitris Chloupis

As promised I released PBE5.0 just now, which basically puts a tag to our github repository to mark the beginning of version 5 and also provided a release in a fork of separate downloads for the book and the repository itself which anything that is required to build the book. If you want just to read , downloading the pdf is enough. You can get the release from here https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/releases/t… Unfortunately I was not able to port the Reflection chapter , it needs a ton of work , probably a complete rewrite but since its a late chapter and we already have achieved a 80% updating I think it was the right time now that pharo 7 is starting developing . Still till PBE6.0 we have a long way to go but I think we can get there far easier than we got from PBE1.4 to PBE5.0. The rest of the details are in the link. Salute to fellow Guardians of the Light :)

Oct. 29, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Cover for PBE5

by Dimitris Chloupis

I did not want to go with the original design because frankly that is not my style. I rather have something unique. Extruding the logo would look very boring and its definitely something I dont want to do. I love the original design because it is really suits many scenarios including icons and because its a good design. However here we dont talk about a simple logo to be used everywhere, this is a book cover and plus Stef asked me to use this that I have created in the past. The original design can continue to be around since it can serve many other roles. Python books for example rarely use the python logo, usually they have some painted snake or even mouse etc. By rarely I mean extremely rarely. https://goo.gl/b67ETW Another reason is that 3d graphics are quite hard to make , so its not that simple for me to start from scratch and have something ready in 1 day. The only thing I can do is tweak this to make it slightly better. On a question of form, its not a problem this is a 3d scene as such its extremely flexible on how I can render this, it can be resized in any way and change in proportion. In any case I have zero issues with going with the original cover or a design not made by gets picked. I made this render because I will use it as a background to my blog anyway so it wont go to waste. On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 5:05 PM Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Nice, but I guess this was originally for something else since its not > in the book form factor which will change your composition. It would > be good to see a sample in book form factor. > > Also Pharo has its brand with the lighthouse in the big-O that I guess > it would be good to follow like the other books... > http://files.pharo.org/books/ > > How would it look to extrude logo.svg from here...? > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-flyers/tree/master/figures > > cheers -ben > > On Sat, Oct 29, 2016 at 8:36 PM, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > So Stef reminded me that we are going to need a cover for PBE5 , so I > > decided to revive my now 2 year old pharo logo render and enhance it. I > > decided also to release all assets under MIT license as a present to the > > community. The repo can be found here > > > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/tree/master > > > > latest render can be found here > > > > > https://gitlab.com/Kilon/pbe5-cover/raw/master/Pharo%20demo/renders/render-… > > > > this is not final render I have a few thing to improve but it is 90% > there. > > > > Hope you like, I leave the final decision on Stef. > >

Oct. 29, 2016