January 2016 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Docs website broken

by David Allouche

I could argue about how I agree with you, but only in part. But the simple fact is this: the documentation is advertised in large letter on this page: http://pharo.org/documentation If it's broken, it should be fixed. If the people with the technical access to fix it do not care, it should be removed from such a highly visible page. As it is, it is confusing for new users, who need it most, and reflects badly on the state of Pharo in general. > On 10 Jan 2016, at 22:25, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dear David, > > yes this maybe broken, but most of the time, a Pharo developer will > never have a look to such a static documentation. > You can browse the class and the related methods very easily inside > the Pharo image, without relying on an external tool. > > Regards, > > On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:08 PM, David Allouche <david(a)allouche.net> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> It seems the pharodocs website is broken. Pages for classes are rendered, >> but the documentation does not display the messages, only their docstrings. >> That makes it quite unusable. >> >> http://files.pharo.org/doc/4.0/#packageList=package.html&classList=package/… >> >> I remember I looked at it once when I started and thought "whee, that's >> confusing, I'll play around and come back later". Now I understand why that >> was confusing... >> >> Who can fix that? > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/ >

Jan. 10, 2016

gtdebugger - icons with text and a couple of others

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Andrei and I took your feedback into account, and now we have this in the last version: - actions have text (this is a feature introduced in Glamour now) - the order of the code actions is better (accept is next to cancel) On top of that, there are a couple of extra features that we did not talk about until now: - whenever there is another kind of debugger available, a new button appears on the top right. When the Bytecode Debugger is loaded, you can always switch to it. Or, when you get in a situation in which the SUnit is available, you can switch to it. - the selection from the inspector is preserved when you move back and forth in the stack. - the panes in the inspector can be closed - stack highlighting is not on by default (it never was actually) - if you âInspect and Goâ, you inspect in place instead of the inspector at the bottom (no extra window) There are probably still glitches, but we think they are fixable. We still would like to add a couple of more features if there is time: - having a table in the stack to show class / method / package - having multiple inspectors in tabs when you inspect in place to not remove the original inspector Please let us know what you think. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Every thing has its own flow."

Jan. 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] I am David Allouche, let me introduce myself.

by Alexandre Bergel

Welcome David! Alexandre > On Jan 10, 2016, at 6:37 PM, David Allouche <david(a)allouche.net> wrote: > > Hello folks. > > Some people have already seen me on Twitter and Slack, but I believe there might be some people on the mailing list that did not see those conversations. > > As I have done on Slack, I am writing this introduction so people have an idea where I come from and what is my business with Pharo. > > I am a professional programmer. My current job is tech on a small company I run with two associates (by the way, we are hiring a good Python web dev with a passion for good code). The product is a SaaS web application for recruiters. They call that an Application Tracking System, it is a workflow, communication and archival system for job applications and candidates. > > I started programming 25 years ago with HyperCard, and since I have at least played with Pascal, C, Prograph, asm68k, HP-48 (RPL, Saturn asm), Java, bash, C++, LaTeX, XSLT, Delphi, Scheme, elisp, JavaScript. > > I have contributed to GNU TeXmacs where I made important contributinos during about 2 years, as I completed by training as an software engineer, and worked at CNRS in Rennes. Then I got involved in GNU Arch (wrote a Python driver), Bazaar (bzr scm) where I worked with the founding team at Canonical while working on the version control aspect of launchpad.net. After that, I had mostly no contribution to free software, working on financial modeling at a bank and then on my current business. I made a presentation on SQLAlchemy at PyCon.fr 2015. > > I am a fan Design Patterns (GoF) and the Refactoring book. My mentor at Canonical (Robert Collins) is heavily influenced by Smalltalk and championed XP there. I always had strong interests in software systems design, programming language design, typography, and user interface design. I feel strongly for the concept of software craftsmanship. > > My current job is nice, good pay, lots of independence ; after 6 years working on the same project, I need some fresh intellectual stimulation. And I was recently impressed by the presentation "Nothing is Something", by Sandi Metz, who is heavily influenced by Smalltalk. > > http://confreaks.tv/videos/bathruby2015-nothing-is-something > > So, I here I came, bumbling my way around the system, looking for intellectual stimulation, and for a way to make a positive contribution. > > I was very impressed by the nice welcome I have received. And I see there is lots of useful work to do here. > > So that's where I come from when you see me chipping in the conversation here. > > Regards. -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] I am David Allouche, let me introduce myself.

by Dimitris Chloupis

Welcome , David, thats a quite a resume. HyperCard looks like its shares quite a lot in common with Smalltalk. From what you write I think you will love Pharo, its a very active, passionate smalltalk community and Pharo is moving forward very fast since we are constantly growing. I think you love pharo and have great fun using it as I do. As Tudor said, fire away your questions we love questions and we love to help newcomers because we know how important is to grow. I think when people referring to Smalltalk refer to Smalltalk as the language or OOP itself, but thats only the tip of the iceberg, Pharo tries to stay true to vision of smalltalk creating the virtual enviroment where the user can easily create his or her own tools or modifying the existing ones, something that I feel no other language out there can emulate because they follow a non monolithic approach where there is a deep dichotomy between language, libraries and the environment itself. You could say that Smalltalk is the anti-Unix architecture , a great example of monolithic design that works great in practice yet its easy to modify and extend. Of course the big exception is Lisp which Smalltalk so close to as a philosophy. Whether this approach is good or bad for you, only you can decide , but is certainly quite different and I think that is what it counts the most. On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 11:53 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Welcome! > > To get faster to the intellectual stimulation, pick a task / project and > start asking questions. And have fun :). > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Jan 10, 2016, at 11:37 PM, David Allouche <david(a)allouche.net> wrote: > > > > Hello folks. > > > > Some people have already seen me on Twitter and Slack, but I believe > there might be some people on the mailing list that did not see those > conversations. > > > > As I have done on Slack, I am writing this introduction so people have > an idea where I come from and what is my business with Pharo. > > > > I am a professional programmer. My current job is tech on a small > company I run with two associates (by the way, we are hiring a good Python > web dev with a passion for good code). The product is a SaaS web > application for recruiters. They call that an Application Tracking System, > it is a workflow, communication and archival system for job applications > and candidates. > > > > I started programming 25 years ago with HyperCard, and since I have at > least played with Pascal, C, Prograph, asm68k, HP-48 (RPL, Saturn asm), > Java, bash, C++, LaTeX, XSLT, Delphi, Scheme, elisp, JavaScript. > > > > I have contributed to GNU TeXmacs where I made important contributinos > during about 2 years, as I completed by training as an software engineer, > and worked at CNRS in Rennes. Then I got involved in GNU Arch (wrote a > Python driver), Bazaar (bzr scm) where I worked with the founding team at > Canonical while working on the version control aspect of launchpad.net. > After that, I had mostly no contribution to free software, working on > financial modeling at a bank and then on my current business. I made a > presentation on SQLAlchemy at PyCon.fr 2015. > > > > I am a fan Design Patterns (GoF) and the Refactoring book. My mentor at > Canonical (Robert Collins) is heavily influenced by Smalltalk and > championed XP there. I always had strong interests in software systems > design, programming language design, typography, and user interface design. > I feel strongly for the concept of software craftsmanship. > > > > My current job is nice, good pay, lots of independence ; after 6 years > working on the same project, I need some fresh intellectual stimulation. > And I was recently impressed by the presentation "Nothing is Something", by > Sandi Metz, who is heavily influenced by Smalltalk. > > > > http://confreaks.tv/videos/bathruby2015-nothing-is-something > > > > So, I here I came, bumbling my way around the system, looking for > intellectual stimulation, and for a way to make a positive contribution. > > > > I was very impressed by the nice welcome I have received. And I see > there is lots of useful work to do here. > > > > So that's where I come from when you see me chipping in the conversation > here. > > > > Regards. > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Presenting is storytelling." > > >

Jan. 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] I am David Allouche, let me introduce myself.

by Tudor Girba

Welcome! To get faster to the intellectual stimulation, pick a task / project and start asking questions. And have fun :). Cheers, Doru > On Jan 10, 2016, at 11:37 PM, David Allouche <david(a)allouche.net> wrote: > > Hello folks. > > Some people have already seen me on Twitter and Slack, but I believe there might be some people on the mailing list that did not see those conversations. > > As I have done on Slack, I am writing this introduction so people have an idea where I come from and what is my business with Pharo. > > I am a professional programmer. My current job is tech on a small company I run with two associates (by the way, we are hiring a good Python web dev with a passion for good code). The product is a SaaS web application for recruiters. They call that an Application Tracking System, it is a workflow, communication and archival system for job applications and candidates. > > I started programming 25 years ago with HyperCard, and since I have at least played with Pascal, C, Prograph, asm68k, HP-48 (RPL, Saturn asm), Java, bash, C++, LaTeX, XSLT, Delphi, Scheme, elisp, JavaScript. > > I have contributed to GNU TeXmacs where I made important contributinos during about 2 years, as I completed by training as an software engineer, and worked at CNRS in Rennes. Then I got involved in GNU Arch (wrote a Python driver), Bazaar (bzr scm) where I worked with the founding team at Canonical while working on the version control aspect of launchpad.net. After that, I had mostly no contribution to free software, working on financial modeling at a bank and then on my current business. I made a presentation on SQLAlchemy at PyCon.fr 2015. > > I am a fan Design Patterns (GoF) and the Refactoring book. My mentor at Canonical (Robert Collins) is heavily influenced by Smalltalk and championed XP there. I always had strong interests in software systems design, programming language design, typography, and user interface design. I feel strongly for the concept of software craftsmanship. > > My current job is nice, good pay, lots of independence ; after 6 years working on the same project, I need some fresh intellectual stimulation. And I was recently impressed by the presentation "Nothing is Something", by Sandi Metz, who is heavily influenced by Smalltalk. > > http://confreaks.tv/videos/bathruby2015-nothing-is-something > > So, I here I came, bumbling my way around the system, looking for intellectual stimulation, and for a way to make a positive contribution. > > I was very impressed by the nice welcome I have received. And I see there is lots of useful work to do here. > > So that's where I come from when you see me chipping in the conversation here. > > Regards. -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Presenting is storytelling."

Jan. 10, 2016

I am David Allouche, let me introduce myself.

by David Allouche

Hello folks. Some people have already seen me on Twitter and Slack, but I believe there might be some people on the mailing list that did not see those conversations. As I have done on Slack, I am writing this introduction so people have an idea where I come from and what is my business with Pharo. I am a professional programmer. My current job is tech on a small company I run with two associates (by the way, we are hiring a good Python web dev with a passion for good code). The product is a SaaS web application for recruiters. They call that an Application Tracking System, it is a workflow, communication and archival system for job applications and candidates. I started programming 25 years ago with HyperCard, and since I have at least played with Pascal, C, Prograph, asm68k, HP-48 (RPL, Saturn asm), Java, bash, C++, LaTeX, XSLT, Delphi, Scheme, elisp, JavaScript. I have contributed to GNU TeXmacs where I made important contributinos during about 2 years, as I completed by training as an software engineer, and worked at CNRS in Rennes. Then I got involved in GNU Arch (wrote a Python driver), Bazaar (bzr scm) where I worked with the founding team at Canonical while working on the version control aspect of launchpad.net <http://launchpad.net/>. After that, I had mostly no contribution to free software, working on financial modeling at a bank and then on my current business. I made a presentation on SQLAlchemy at PyCon.fr <http://pycon.fr/> 2015. I am a fan Design Patterns (GoF) and the Refactoring book. My mentor at Canonical (Robert Collins) is heavily influenced by Smalltalk and championed XP there. I always had strong interests in software systems design, programming language design, typography, and user interface design. I feel strongly for the concept of software craftsmanship. My current job is nice, good pay, lots of independence ; after 6 years working on the same project, I need some fresh intellectual stimulation. And I was recently impressed by the presentation "Nothing is Something", by Sandi Metz, who is heavily influenced by Smalltalk. http://confreaks.tv/videos/bathruby2015-nothing-is-something <http://confreaks.tv/videos/bathruby2015-nothing-is-something> So, I here I came, bumbling my way around the system, looking for intellectual stimulation, and for a way to make a positive contribution. I was very impressed by the nice welcome I have received. And I see there is lots of useful work to do here. So that's where I come from when you see me chipping in the conversation here. Regards.

Jan. 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Docs website broken

by Serge Stinckwich

Dear David, yes this maybe broken, but most of the time, a Pharo developer will never have a look to such a static documentation. You can browse the class and the related methods very easily inside the Pharo image, without relying on an external tool. Regards, On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:08 PM, David Allouche <david(a)allouche.net> wrote: > Hello, > > It seems the pharodocs website is broken. Pages for classes are rendered, > but the documentation does not display the messages, only their docstrings. > That makes it quite unusable. > > http://files.pharo.org/doc/4.0/#packageList=package.html&classList=package/… > > I remember I looked at it once when I started and thought "whee, that's > confusing, I'll play around and come back later". Now I understand why that > was confusing... > > Who can fix that? -- Serge Stinckwich UCBN & UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC) Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://www.doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [ann] gtdebugger in pharo 5.0

by Johan Fabry

It looks much better to me, yes. I would need to use it some time before I could give more detailed feedback. (And I canât really do that until the FFI is fixed, because all my development crashes the VM since I am using Roassal. So I am still on the last Pharo version before the VM switch.) One last thing is that I am not convinced on having the âproceedâ, âstep intoâ, âstep overâ et cetera buttons on the stack pane. To me they are more related to the source code pane, as you always see the results of pressing those buttons there, but on the stack not always, e.g. the âstep overâ actions. > On Jan 9, 2016, at 19:06, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Thanks. What do you think of the new solution? Is it sufficient? > > Doru > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec: Populating a playground with a particular content (was Re: Spec: Binding widgets how to)

by Johan Fabry

Sorry for the lateness and short reply but Iâm involved in a bunch of other things that are taking almost all of my time ... >From what I understand and what I can see in your code, you want to modify a widget when the UI is open. However you never trigger the rebuilding of the window. For example, see the Spec docs that I sent, where in 9.1 there is code that calls buildWithSpecLayout: . Actually, I am not sure you need to subclass DynamicComposableModel since the number of widgets never changes. You can use a normal ComposableModel subclass and use what is detailed in 9.1 to change the layout between the two options you want to have (a TextModel or a GlamourPresentationModel). > On Jan 8, 2016, at 23:07, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas <offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > Shouldn't be #right dynamically defined according to the values of 'item' and be replaced on the m2 layout? ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 10, 2016

Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] gtdebugger in pharo 5.0

by stepharo

How come? It would be nice to think that such statements will be read by people not from our world and such statements are WRONG! > a) Lack of substantial documentation > b) Complete lack of begineer orientated documentation > c) Lack of substantial begineer friendly libraries > d) Lack of Libraries in general > e) Small community with limited support > f) Lack of support of other languages > g) Completely diffirent coding paradigm from familar approaches > etc etc

Jan. 10, 2016