July 2015 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by stepharo

+1 Le 4/7/15 19:36, Peter UhnÃ¡k a Ã©crit : > > Is Bloc a user interface markup language? > Or a graphic framework like Morphic? > > > Bloc is replacement for Morphic. > Smalltalk is the markup language; it gives you much more > expressiveness compared to static DSLs.

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by stepharo

Le 4/7/15 19:04, Glenn CavarlÃ© a Ã©crit : > Hannes Hirzel wrote >> Is Bloc a user interface markup language? >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language >> >> Or a graphic framework like Morphic? > Bloc is a graphical core framework, it provides the basics features to build > UI/Animation frameworks on top of it. A markup language or a declarative > syntaxe is not part of Bloc but can be a good idea to experiment when a > first widget framework will be released. I'm not sure that we need a DSL. > This is a point that particularly interests me, especially regarding > declarative syntax. > > > Hannes Hirzel wrote >> I assume Android and iOS are part of them... >> >>> So, i hope that Pharo will become mobile soon ! ;) >> 3 months? > Yes, but unfortunately not in 3 month (for my part)... Not for Brick too :) > > Regards, > Glenn. > > > > > ----- > Glenn CavarlÃ© > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Kivy-tp4835739p4835775.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] NeoCSVReader and an empty field at the very end of a file

by stepharo

>> Hi thierry >> >> mark will arriv at Lille saturday for a month. He is working with >> Camille on a new tree pattern matching algorithm > > A generic algorithm or one tied to the RB AST? A generic algo. We will talk with Camille monday > >> because we lost energy on RB matcher. > > What was your analysis? JC did his Phd on code transformation and with anne they try to really document how the unification works in RB and ... after tears and pain they gave up. So we really want to see if we cannot do something better. > > Thanks, > > Thierry > >> >> Stef >> >> Le 1/7/15 21:29, Thierry Goubier a Ã©crit : >>> Le 01/07/2015 21:16, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de a Ã©crit : >>>> You mean RewriteRules? I was planning to do that, for this exact >>>> reason. >>>> But you know how things go when there is a long list of priorities. >>>> I know it saves a lot of time and makes porting so much more safe, but >>>> it needs an up-front investment in time... >>> >>> Yes, rewrite rules. Mark Rizun GUI attempts are a very interesting >>> direction to handle that... >>> >>> Oh, by the way, Mark, if you're listening... I did what you were >>> trying to do by changing AST nodes positions in Pharo, but on a SmaCC >>> based AST for another language. I have to admit that you were right to >>> try to do it that way, but that the Pharo/RB AST infrastructure wasn't >>> suitable whereas SmaCC infrastructure is. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Building a Morphic Card Wall, Part 3: SVG export & WebSocket

by H. Hirzel

Hello Stephane Thank you for the 3rd video. This is a great demo! As it is SVG export http://localhost:1701/cardwall-client adapts nicely when resizing the browser window. This includes the text size which now matches the one in Pharo. An issue still is that text does not wrap in the cards. StringMorphs are used inside a subclass of Morph. I remember that having wrapped text Squeak is possible, probably still is in Pharo as well. --Hannes On 7/3/15, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > https://vimeo.com/132548781 > > >

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by Hilaire

Le 04/07/2015 15:58, stepharo a Ã©crit : > For the information we are working on touch and OSWindow improvements. > Alain is imporving Bloc the future graphic layer of Pharo, people from > bern are working on new widgets. > We are working on cleaning widgets. Now we also accept help. > > Stef > > Le 4/7/15 15:36, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >> For the record, a friend told me about this >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy >> >> Will it be cool to have something like that? >> >> Hilaire >> > > > Sure I know. The constituting parts does not make the whole however. I mean a larger plan could help structuring the parts and give a focus. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo http://drgeo.eu http://google.com/+DrgeoEu

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

> > Is Bloc a user interface markup language? > Or a graphic framework like Morphic? > Bloc is replacement for Morphic. Smalltalk is the markup language; it gives you much more expressiveness compared to static DSLs.

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by Glenn CavarlÃ©

Hannes Hirzel wrote > Is Bloc a user interface markup language? > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language > > Or a graphic framework like Morphic? Bloc is a graphical core framework, it provides the basics features to build UI/Animation frameworks on top of it. A markup language or a declarative syntaxe is not part of Bloc but can be a good idea to experiment when a first widget framework will be released. This is a point that particularly interests me, especially regarding declarative syntax. Hannes Hirzel wrote > I assume Android and iOS are part of them... > >> So, i hope that Pharo will become mobile soon ! ;) > > 3 months? Yes, but unfortunately not in 3 month (for my part)... Regards, Glenn. ----- Glenn CavarlÃ© -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Kivy-tp4835739p4835775.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by H. Hirzel

On 7/4/15, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > For the record, a friend told me about this > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kivy > > Will it be cool to have something like that? > > Hilaire Yes, and what about other options https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language ? --Hannes > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > http://google.com/+DrgeoEu > > > >

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by H. Hirzel

On 7/4/15, Glenn CavarlÃ© <glenn(a)cavarle.fr> wrote: > Kivy embed a Python interpreter in a native mobile app. All is developed in > Python in association with their own declarative language : the kivy > language. > To do the same thing with Smalltalk, i think you have CogDroid or > PharoDroid > that embed a smalltalk vm in a native mobile app. When Bloc Widgets will be > available, it should be easy to provide a "wonderful" mobile-specific > widget > layer. > You can already do things like that with Bloc : > > <http://forum.world.st/file/n4835762/BwtMobile.png> > > (I'm using it as a simulator for mobile apps developed in Pharo) Is Bloc a user interface markup language? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface_markup_language Or a graphic framework like Morphic? > In another way, I'm working on a mobile development environment based on > Pharo (part of my phd thesis). The goal is to use Pharo such as a modeling, > development and validation environment in order to finally generate fully > native mobile applications for several platforms. I assume Android and iOS are part of them... > So, i hope that Pharo will become mobile soon ! ;) 3 months? Regards Hannes > > ----- > Glenn CavarlÃ© > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Kivy-tp4835739p4835762.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

July 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Kivy

by stepharo

> Kivy embed a Python interpreter in a native mobile app. All is developed in > Python in association with their own declarative language : the kivy > language. This is cool because with the bootstrap and modularPharo then it can be really interesting. I think that we will see all our efforts paying in all kind of directions. > > To do the same thing with Smalltalk, i think you have CogDroid or PharoDroid > that embed a smalltalk vm in a native mobile app. When Bloc Widgets will be > available, it should be easy to provide a "wonderful" mobile-specific widget > layer. > > You can already do things like that with Bloc : > > <http://forum.world.st/file/n4835762/BwtMobile.png> > > (I'm using it as a simulator for mobile apps developed in Pharo) > > In another way, I'm working on a mobile development environment based on > Pharo (part of my phd thesis). The goal is to use Pharo such as a modeling, > development and validation environment in order to finally generate fully > native mobile applications for several platforms. > > So, i hope that Pharo will become mobile soon ! ;) Me too. > > Regards, > Glenn. > > > > ----- > Glenn CavarlÃ© > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Kivy-tp4835739p4835762.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >

July 4, 2015