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Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Ben Coman

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am already enjoying GTSpotter every day. I cannot believe how good it > is. And I tell you....I have been using this kind of tool since the first > available one we have YEARS ago (Algernon, then Spotlight etc...). And > GTSpotter is a life better than those. So...thank you VERY MUCH. > > My only problem right now is that I am afraid I am not yet using 100% of > it's power. I think it has features that I read randomly in different > emails and posts so I am afraid it has more... > > A couple of questions: > > 1) Is there a way to force GTSpotter preview via preferences or somehow > via code so that I can build it as part of my app images? I know GTSpotter > then remembers that but I would like to build images directly with that > (some users of my images may now be aware of such features so I want them > to see it out of the box). > > 2) How does it work regex or similar when you search? I seem to see things > like "M B" or "M #a" etc...so...which are all symbols (#, * , ^ etc) > allowed? > > 3) Are there more "actions" than the default action? For example, when > browser classes, methods etc... default action opens a new system browser. > So..are there OTHER possible actions? If true, which ones? How can I know > all of the available ones? > > 4) GTPlayground seems to have tabs and it seems I can even rename a > current playground. However...I cannot seem to be able to add more tabs and > then easily move across tabs. I have to open other playgrounds for it. > So...I am doing something wrong? If multiple tabs are not allow then I > think the tabs are a bit confusing here. > +1. I find myself wanting multiple tabs, even though I'm not sure of the semantics. > > 5) What are GTPlayground "Bindings" and in which case does the "Refresh" > make sense? > Maybe even <Bindings> could create a new tab of its own. cheers -ben

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] XMLParser GTInspector extensions

by Ben Coman

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 3:18 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Indeed, we would like to encourage the packaging of GT extensions in the > same project as the code they extend. So, in this case, > GT-InspectorExtensions-XML would be better suited to be in the PharoExtras/XMLParser > repository under XML-Parser-GT-InspectorExtensions. > > Actually, given that most of these extensions are not more complicated > than a printOn:, I would even argue that in many cases it would be more > suitable to have them in the same package as the class they extend. I know > it sounds like bad dependency management, but the GT-Inspector is here to > stay (and the API will likely remain compatible in the future), so the risk > is minimal and I think in many situations you will this approach more > pragmatic. > This had crossed my mind. The upside is that #gtDisplay its unlikely to clash with another platform maybe that its easier to load a single package, but the Configuration should handle this anyhow. The downside is that unneccessary methods pollute other platforms. In this case being under PharoExtras maybe thats not so much a worry, but was XMLParser pulled from somewhere that we should be synchronising with? > > So, Ben: could you push the package as you described (only call it please > XML-Parser-GT-InspectorExtensions)? > Thanks for the go ahead. Will do. Now considering further that that GT-Inspector is here to stay :) perhaps we should go more generic and call the package XML-Parser-PharoCompatibility ? cheers -ben > > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 4:28 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> Hi ben >>> >>> we could update the configurationOfXMLReader. >>> But the right solution is to define a new configuration loading >>> GT-Tools, XMLReader and your extensions. >>> In pharo 40 we could consider that GT-Tools is loaded. >>> Now I think that making the dependencies explicit is important. >>> >>> >>> So what do you think of... >>> * Updating ConfigurationOfXMLParser to automatically load the extensions >>> for Pharo4. >>> * Moving the package into the XML-Parser repository so it sits next to >>> other compatibility packages like XML-Parser-GemstoneCompatability -- and >>> possibly renaming it something like XML-Parser-GT-Extensions. >>> >>> The package I maintain with monty is in PharoExtras so I would prefer >>> not to change its location. >>> >> >> I meant moving GT-InspectorExtensions-XML..mcz from Smalltalkhub >> Moose/GToolkit >> to Smalltalkhub PharoExtras/XMLParser renamed >> XML-Parser-GTExtensions..mcz , >> but that might not suit the GT Team. >> >> Actually in off-list correspondence with monty I learnt of >> XMLPluggableElementFactory, which seems to suit my need better than my >> proposed GT extensions for XMLParser. >> cheers -ben >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I happened to need to use and XML Parser for the first time and >>>>> found inspecting the structure awkward, so I added some GTInspector >>>>> extensions to XML-Parser. This is uploaded as XML-Parser-BenComan.304 to >>>>> http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~PharoExtras/XMLParser. Could someone who >>>>> uses XML regularly check if these are reasonable? >>>>> >>>>> Now should these methods be packaged separately somehow, since they >>>>> are likely not of interest to other Smalltalk flavours? >>>>> >>>>> btw I gave them a protocol of "GT-Extensions" - but I also >>>>> considered "moldable-tools" and "tools-extensions". If there a >>>>> preference? This will likely be a common occurrence across the community, >>>>> so we should try for a consistent convention across the community for such >>>>> extensions. >>>>> >>>>> btw2, I notice that #gtDisplayOn: implementors are fairly evenly >>>>> split between [GT-InspectorExtensions-Core] and >>>>> [GT-SpotterExtensions-Core]. Are they really separated like this in their >>>>> use? >>>>> >>>>

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo 4 Playground open file menu

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 04 May 2015, at 01:03, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > philippeback wrote >> One note: scripts are saved with the CR (or ^M) line ending by Pharo. >> Now, vim in Linux positively hates that (showing a single line with ^M s >> all over). >> I think we should be much better LF (\n) citizens in the Linux world. > > Yes! Same with fileouts on Mac via MacVim - one long incomprehensible line > strewn with special characters. Should we save using the line ending of the > underlying platform? Or is there one that's, if not universal, workable > (i.e. least offensive) on all major platforms? NeoCSV, NeoJSON and STON all can output using any EOL convention, but they traditionally use CR like the rest of Pharo. Maybe we should make the default LF like I believe they did in Cuis ?

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:54 PM, Sergio Fedi <sergio.fedi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Does these new changes justify an edit of that blog entry? > > Maybe a link? > > â(I'm reading it right now) > ufff yeah, should be at least half re-written hahahahaha. Lots of things have improved since then -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Sergio Fedi

Does these new changes justify an edit of that blog entry? Maybe a link? â(I'm reading it right now)

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am already enjoying GTSpotter every day. I cannot believe how good it > is. And I tell you....I have been using this kind of tool since the first > available one we have YEARS ago (Algernon, then Spotlight etc...). And > GTSpotter is a life better than those. So...thank you VERY MUCH. > > What is so funny is that I was reviewing an old blog of mine: https://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/05/19/pharo-tips-and-tricks/ and the new gt tools and latest Pharo 4.0 almost removes half of my needed "tricks"

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:51 PM, Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 4 May 2015 at 02:21, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi guys, > > > > I am already enjoying GTSpotter every day. I cannot believe how good it > is. > > And I tell you....I have been using this kind of tool since the first > > available one we have YEARS ago (Algernon, then Spotlight etc...). And > > GTSpotter is a life better than those. So...thank you VERY MUCH. > > > > My only problem right now is that I am afraid I am not yet using 100% of > > it's power. I think it has features that I read randomly in different > emails > > and posts so I am afraid it has more... > > > > A couple of questions: > > > > 1) Is there a way to force GTSpotter preview via preferences or somehow > via > > code so that I can build it as part of my app images? I know GTSpotter > then > > remembers that but I would like to build images directly with that (some > > users of my images may now be aware of such features so I want them to > see > > it out of the box). > > > > 2) How does it work regex or similar when you search? I seem to see > things > > like "M B" or "M #a" etc...so...which are all symbols (#, * , ^ etc) > > allowed? > > > > 3) Are there more "actions" than the default action? For example, when > > browser classes, methods etc... default action opens a new system > browser. > > So..are there OTHER possible actions? If true, which ones? How can I know > > all of the available ones? > > > > 4) GTPlayground seems to have tabs and it seems I can even rename a > current > > playground. However...I cannot seem to be able to add more tabs and then > > easily move across tabs. I have to open other playgrounds for it. So...I > am > > doing something wrong? If multiple tabs are not allow then I think the > tabs > > are a bit confusing here. > > > > Hi, > for the playground I found it weird too. The tab and the name are not > for multi tab. > If you name a tab and save the content (alt + s), if you close the tab > you can reopen it with GTSpotter. (for example if you name your tab > "MarianoWorkToDo" and you look for "MarianoWorkToDo" on GTSpotter > you'll fin your playground. > You can apparently also name your tab "customScript" and that will > save your script into you "package-stash" folder. (you can change the > folder into the settings of glamour). > Indeed. Thanks for reminding me about that. I wonder if there is a less confusing way of defining a name than using a one single tab. Cheers, > > > > 5) What are GTPlayground "Bindings" and in which case does the "Refresh" > > make sense? > > > > I probably have more questions but I wanted to ask this at least. > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > -- > Cheers > Cyril Ferlicot > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Sergio Fedi <sergio.fedi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am by no means an expert but I know some things. > > Part of the Pharo philosophy is that there isn't stupid questions and another is that no one should be afraid of answering. > I share a lot of your questions too. > > 5) What are GTPlayground "Bindings" and in which case does the "Refresh" >> make sense? >> > > The bindings show which variables have been defined in the Playground's > workspace and which object are they linked to. > > Variables are created when you execute code such as: > > *number := 24.* > > Have you executed code like below: > > *| text |* > *text := 'Hello ninjas'.* > > This wouldn't generate a binding. > > To know what's binded is important so you know if you are leaking objects > or if you have unwittingly declared a variable and you script is working > oddly. > Thanks Sergio, it clearly was that. And it explains why I never see it filled....because I never eve use bindings ( I always define the temp vars). But why I do that is another off topic reason ;) -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Idea icon pack now in Configuration Browser

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

+1 to Sven and Norbert. I will integrate them to my app. By the way the smallPrintItIcon and the smallDoItIcon look pretty similar, so some kind of change would be nice. Good work, Offray El 30/04/15 a las 05:46, Sven Van Caekenberghe escribiÃ³: > Very nice and a super clean install procedure, I love it when things come together ! > >> On 30 Apr 2015, at 12:11, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I made a configuration to install the new Idea Icon Pack from configurations browser for Pharo 4. >> You can install it and then choose your new icon set in settings. >> >> You can also manual install them by: >> >> Gofer it >> smalltalkhubUser: 'Pharo' project: 'MetaRepoForPharo40'; >> configurationOf: 'IdeaIcons'; >> loadStable. >> >> ThemeIcons current: #IdeaUIThemeIcons asClass new. >> âIn Pharo 4, you might need to execute thisâ >> AbstractNautilusUI resetIconCaches. >> >> This icon pack works also for Pharo 3 >> >> If you lost it, here a couple of screenshots: >> >> <Screen Shot 2015-04-30 at 12.01.20.png> >> >> <Screen Shot 2015-04-30 at 12.01.57.png> > > >

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Cyril Ferlicot

On 4 May 2015 at 02:21, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am already enjoying GTSpotter every day. I cannot believe how good it is. > And I tell you....I have been using this kind of tool since the first > available one we have YEARS ago (Algernon, then Spotlight etc...). And > GTSpotter is a life better than those. So...thank you VERY MUCH. > > My only problem right now is that I am afraid I am not yet using 100% of > it's power. I think it has features that I read randomly in different emails > and posts so I am afraid it has more... > > A couple of questions: > > 1) Is there a way to force GTSpotter preview via preferences or somehow via > code so that I can build it as part of my app images? I know GTSpotter then > remembers that but I would like to build images directly with that (some > users of my images may now be aware of such features so I want them to see > it out of the box). > > 2) How does it work regex or similar when you search? I seem to see things > like "M B" or "M #a" etc...so...which are all symbols (#, * , ^ etc) > allowed? > > 3) Are there more "actions" than the default action? For example, when > browser classes, methods etc... default action opens a new system browser. > So..are there OTHER possible actions? If true, which ones? How can I know > all of the available ones? > > 4) GTPlayground seems to have tabs and it seems I can even rename a current > playground. However...I cannot seem to be able to add more tabs and then > easily move across tabs. I have to open other playgrounds for it. So...I am > doing something wrong? If multiple tabs are not allow then I think the tabs > are a bit confusing here. > Hi, for the playground I found it weird too. The tab and the name are not for multi tab. If you name a tab and save the content (alt + s), if you close the tab you can reopen it with GTSpotter. (for example if you name your tab "MarianoWorkToDo" and you look for "MarianoWorkToDo" on GTSpotter you'll fin your playground. You can apparently also name your tab "customScript" and that will save your script into you "package-stash" folder. (you can change the folder into the settings of glamour). > 5) What are GTPlayground "Bindings" and in which case does the "Refresh" > make sense? > > I probably have more questions but I wanted to ask this at least. > > Thanks in advance, > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com -- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot

May 4, 2015