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Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [SURVEY] Pillar input/output files.

by Ben Coman

+1. I can't think of any detractions. On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If I understand correctly... then, why the pillar.conf is not just a > pillar file? (And the conf is the header if the file?) :) > > El lun., 4 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 2:50 p. m., Damien Cassou < > damien.cassou(a)inria.fr> escribiÃ³: > >> >> Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> writes: >> >> > Hi, >> > I'm currently working on the way we manage the input files and the >> output files. >> > The way we manage the files now makes hard some improvement of Pillar. >> > That's why with Damien we though about makes some changes. The changes >> > are big so I wanted to talk about that with you. >> > We propose to have always 1 file with all the work inside. That can >> > use the inputFile tag. For example: >> > >> > "${inputFile:Chapter1.pillar}$ >> > >> > ${inputFile:Chapter2.pillar}$ >> > >> > ${inputFile:Chapter3.pillar}$ >> > >> > ${inputFile:Chapter4.pillar}$" >> > >> > And the option "separateOutputFiles" will now create 1 file each time >> > we have a new Chapter. (!Level 1 header). >> > That will make simpler the way to number everything and to create >> > anchor because those 2 doesn't work well with the "separateOutputFile" >> > option. >> > >> > What do you thing? That would be good with you? >> >> this change proposes to remove the option inputFiles from Pillar. Pillar >> will now take only 1 Pillar input file that must include the rest. This >> will simplify pillar.conf, this will simplify compile.sh, this will make >> it easier for the author to understand the process, and this will >> simplify Pillar's implementation. With this in place, we think we can >> fix the problems with anchors and inter-chapter links. >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill >> >>

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >>> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> I am already enjoying GTSpotter every day. I cannot believe how good it >>>> is. And I tell you....I have been using this kind of tool since the first >>>> available one we have YEARS ago (Algernon, then Spotlight etc...). And >>>> GTSpotter is a life better than those. So...thank you VERY MUCH. >>>> >>>> My only problem right now is that I am afraid I am not yet using 100% >>>> of it's power. I think it has features that I read randomly in different >>>> emails and posts so I am afraid it has more... >>>> >>>> A couple of questions: >>>> >>>> 1) Is there a way to force GTSpotter preview via preferences or somehow >>>> via code so that I can build it as part of my app images? I know GTSpotter >>>> then remembers that but I would like to build images directly with that >>>> (some users of my images may now be aware of such features so I want them >>>> to see it out of the box). >>>> >>> >>> Right now there isn't a setting for that, which is a bug. >>> You can still execute 'GTSpotter showPreview' to enable the preview >>> >>> >> >> Thanks, that works perfect. >> >> >>> >>> >> >>>> 2) How does it work regex or similar when you search? I seem to see >>>> things like "M B" or "M #a" etc...so...which are all symbols (#, * , ^ >>>> etc) allowed? >>>> >>> >>> For the moment the query language that does not support regex. You can >>> just use # to filter the categories that are displayed. >>> If you enter 'copy #i' than you will only get implementors. >>> >> >> mmmm how can I filter the subclasses? I am trying "Collection #sub" and >> nothing. Then I try even diving into the class and then type "#sub" but >> still nothing. Am I doing something wrong? >> > > To filter for the subclasses of a class you have to: > - search for the class > - dive in the class > - enter #all > > Ohh right. Stupid me. > Right now the category containing subclasses is labeled 'All subclasses'. > Maybe a better name would be 'Subclasses (all)' > > I would yes. In fact, filtering by "All" brings everything filtering by all...including superclasses and others.. > Cheers, > Andrei > > > >> >>> >>> Still you can create your own custom searches that use regex. >>> For example look in spotterForCachedPlaygroundPagesFor:. In your >>> searches instead of GTFilterSubstring you can >>> you GTFilterRegex, GTFilterAlike, etc. >>> >> >> I think it would be super cool if you at least could implement by default >> the # and *. That would give us some power. (similar to what #matches:) >> does. >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 3) Are there more "actions" than the default action? For example, when >>>> browser classes, methods etc... default action opens a new system browser. >>>> So..are there OTHER possible actions? If true, which ones? How can I know >>>> all of the available ones? >>>> >>> >>> Again for the moment there aren't any extra actions. Just enter that >>> opens the entity in a browser/inspector/etc, and dive-in. >>> Specific actions for each type of element are on the way >>> >> >> Ok, good to hear about that. >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 4) GTPlayground seems to have tabs and it seems I can even rename a >>>> current playground. However...I cannot seem to be able to add more tabs and >>>> then easily move across tabs. I have to open other playgrounds for it. >>>> So...I am doing something wrong? If multiple tabs are not allow then I >>>> think the tabs are a bit confusing here. >>>> >>> >>> As others said for the moment you cannot add more tabs. >>> You can rename the tab label which will create a file with that name in >>> the play-stash folder in the image directory. >>> >>> >> Cool thanks. >> >> >> >>> Cheers, >>> Andrei >>> >>> >>>> >>>> 5) What are GTPlayground "Bindings" and in which case does the >>>> "Refresh" make sense? >>>> >>>> I probably have more questions but I wanted to ask this at least. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mariano >>>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Andrei Chis

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:52 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com > wrote: > > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I am already enjoying GTSpotter every day. I cannot believe how good it >>> is. And I tell you....I have been using this kind of tool since the first >>> available one we have YEARS ago (Algernon, then Spotlight etc...). And >>> GTSpotter is a life better than those. So...thank you VERY MUCH. >>> >>> My only problem right now is that I am afraid I am not yet using 100% of >>> it's power. I think it has features that I read randomly in different >>> emails and posts so I am afraid it has more... >>> >>> A couple of questions: >>> >>> 1) Is there a way to force GTSpotter preview via preferences or somehow >>> via code so that I can build it as part of my app images? I know GTSpotter >>> then remembers that but I would like to build images directly with that >>> (some users of my images may now be aware of such features so I want them >>> to see it out of the box). >>> >> >> Right now there isn't a setting for that, which is a bug. >> You can still execute 'GTSpotter showPreview' to enable the preview >> >> > > Thanks, that works perfect. > > >> >> > >>> 2) How does it work regex or similar when you search? I seem to see >>> things like "M B" or "M #a" etc...so...which are all symbols (#, * , ^ >>> etc) allowed? >>> >> >> For the moment the query language that does not support regex. You can >> just use # to filter the categories that are displayed. >> If you enter 'copy #i' than you will only get implementors. >> > > mmmm how can I filter the subclasses? I am trying "Collection #sub" and > nothing. Then I try even diving into the class and then type "#sub" but > still nothing. Am I doing something wrong? > To filter for the subclasses of a class you have to: - search for the class - dive in the class - enter #all Right now the category containing subclasses is labeled 'All subclasses'. Maybe a better name would be 'Subclasses (all)' Cheers, Andrei > >> >> Still you can create your own custom searches that use regex. >> For example look in spotterForCachedPlaygroundPagesFor:. In your searches >> instead of GTFilterSubstring you can you GTFilterRegex, GTFilterAlike, etc. >> > > I think it would be super cool if you at least could implement by default > the # and *. That would give us some power. (similar to what #matches:) > does. > > >> >> >>> >>> 3) Are there more "actions" than the default action? For example, when >>> browser classes, methods etc... default action opens a new system browser. >>> So..are there OTHER possible actions? If true, which ones? How can I know >>> all of the available ones? >>> >> >> Again for the moment there aren't any extra actions. Just enter that >> opens the entity in a browser/inspector/etc, and dive-in. >> Specific actions for each type of element are on the way >> > > Ok, good to hear about that. > > >> >> >>> >>> 4) GTPlayground seems to have tabs and it seems I can even rename a >>> current playground. However...I cannot seem to be able to add more tabs and >>> then easily move across tabs. I have to open other playgrounds for it. >>> So...I am doing something wrong? If multiple tabs are not allow then I >>> think the tabs are a bit confusing here. >>> >> >> As others said for the moment you cannot add more tabs. >> You can rename the tab label which will create a file with that name in >> the play-stash folder in the image directory. >> >> > Cool thanks. > > > >> Cheers, >> Andrei >> >> >>> >>> 5) What are GTPlayground "Bindings" and in which case does the "Refresh" >>> make sense? >>> >>> I probably have more questions but I wanted to ask this at least. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [SURVEY] Pillar input/output files.

by Guillermo Polito

If I understand correctly... then, why the pillar.conf is not just a pillar file? (And the conf is the header if the file?) :) El lun., 4 de may. de 2015 a la(s) 2:50 p. m., Damien Cassou < damien.cassou(a)inria.fr> escribiÃ³: > > Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > Hi, > > I'm currently working on the way we manage the input files and the > output files. > > The way we manage the files now makes hard some improvement of Pillar. > > That's why with Damien we though about makes some changes. The changes > > are big so I wanted to talk about that with you. > > We propose to have always 1 file with all the work inside. That can > > use the inputFile tag. For example: > > > > "${inputFile:Chapter1.pillar}$ > > > > ${inputFile:Chapter2.pillar}$ > > > > ${inputFile:Chapter3.pillar}$ > > > > ${inputFile:Chapter4.pillar}$" > > > > And the option "separateOutputFiles" will now create 1 file each time > > we have a new Chapter. (!Level 1 header). > > That will make simpler the way to number everything and to create > > anchor because those 2 doesn't work well with the "separateOutputFile" > > option. > > > > What do you thing? That would be good with you? > > this change proposes to remove the option inputFiles from Pillar. Pillar > will now take only 1 Pillar input file that must include the rest. This > will simplify pillar.conf, this will simplify compile.sh, this will make > it easier for the author to understand the process, and this will > simplify Pillar's implementation. With this in place, we think we can > fix the problems with anchors and inter-chapter links. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill > >

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] mac address on windows

by Ben Coman

As a complete newb to VM building I found this fairly straight forward (on a Mac btw). https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm cheers -ben On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:28 PM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, May 02, 2015 at 03:55:47PM +0200, Usman Bhatti wrote: >> > 1/ OSProcess: I tried (PipeableOSProcess command: 'ipconfig /all') >> output. >> >> I have used http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~hernan/ProcessWrapper >> successfully >> back when I was on Windows using some now-ancient version of Pharo. >> > > I had initially discarded the idea of using this project because it > required a plugin and the information of the plugin was outdated on > squeaksource. However, having evaluated superficially the complexity of > doing it with nativeboost (because too many external c struct involved in > the call), I would like to see if I am better off using this wrapper. > > I loaded it with: > > Gofer it > url: 'http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/hernan/ProcessWrapper/main'; > package: 'ProcessWrapper-Core'; > package: 'ProcessWrapper-Plugin'; > package: 'ProcessWrapper-Tests'; > load. > > But the plugins wont load because it requires the > class SmartSyntaxInterpreterPlugin and apparently this file is a part of > the VMMaker. Is there any recent config for VMMaker in Pharo because this > one looks outdated: > http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/book/Virtual-Machine/Building/VMMakerTool/ > > > > > >> >> Pierce >> >> >

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glamorous Toolkit questions

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 6:03 AM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 2:21 AM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> I am already enjoying GTSpotter every day. I cannot believe how good it >> is. And I tell you....I have been using this kind of tool since the first >> available one we have YEARS ago (Algernon, then Spotlight etc...). And >> GTSpotter is a life better than those. So...thank you VERY MUCH. >> >> My only problem right now is that I am afraid I am not yet using 100% of >> it's power. I think it has features that I read randomly in different >> emails and posts so I am afraid it has more... >> >> A couple of questions: >> >> 1) Is there a way to force GTSpotter preview via preferences or somehow >> via code so that I can build it as part of my app images? I know GTSpotter >> then remembers that but I would like to build images directly with that >> (some users of my images may now be aware of such features so I want them >> to see it out of the box). >> > > Right now there isn't a setting for that, which is a bug. > You can still execute 'GTSpotter showPreview' to enable the preview > > Thanks, that works perfect. > > >> 2) How does it work regex or similar when you search? I seem to see >> things like "M B" or "M #a" etc...so...which are all symbols (#, * , ^ >> etc) allowed? >> > > For the moment the query language that does not support regex. You can > just use # to filter the categories that are displayed. > If you enter 'copy #i' than you will only get implementors. > mmmm how can I filter the subclasses? I am trying "Collection #sub" and nothing. Then I try even diving into the class and then type "#sub" but still nothing. Am I doing something wrong? > > Still you can create your own custom searches that use regex. > For example look in spotterForCachedPlaygroundPagesFor:. In your searches > instead of GTFilterSubstring you can you GTFilterRegex, GTFilterAlike, etc. > I think it would be super cool if you at least could implement by default the # and *. That would give us some power. (similar to what #matches:) does. > > >> >> 3) Are there more "actions" than the default action? For example, when >> browser classes, methods etc... default action opens a new system browser. >> So..are there OTHER possible actions? If true, which ones? How can I know >> all of the available ones? >> > > Again for the moment there aren't any extra actions. Just enter that opens > the entity in a browser/inspector/etc, and dive-in. > Specific actions for each type of element are on the way > Ok, good to hear about that. > > >> >> 4) GTPlayground seems to have tabs and it seems I can even rename a >> current playground. However...I cannot seem to be able to add more tabs and >> then easily move across tabs. I have to open other playgrounds for it. >> So...I am doing something wrong? If multiple tabs are not allow then I >> think the tabs are a bit confusing here. >> > > As others said for the moment you cannot add more tabs. > You can rename the tab label which will create a file with that name in > the play-stash folder in the image directory. > > Cool thanks. > Cheers, > Andrei > > >> >> 5) What are GTPlayground "Bindings" and in which case does the "Refresh" >> make sense? >> >> I probably have more questions but I wanted to ask this at least. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [SURVEY] Pillar input/output files.

by Damien Cassou

Cyril Ferlicot <cyril.ferlicot(a)gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > I'm currently working on the way we manage the input files and the output files. > The way we manage the files now makes hard some improvement of Pillar. > That's why with Damien we though about makes some changes. The changes > are big so I wanted to talk about that with you. > We propose to have always 1 file with all the work inside. That can > use the inputFile tag. For example: > > "${inputFile:Chapter1.pillar}$ > > ${inputFile:Chapter2.pillar}$ > > ${inputFile:Chapter3.pillar}$ > > ${inputFile:Chapter4.pillar}$" > > And the option "separateOutputFiles" will now create 1 file each time > we have a new Chapter. (!Level 1 header). > That will make simpler the way to number everything and to create > anchor because those 2 doesn't work well with the "separateOutputFile" > option. > > What do you thing? That would be good with you? this change proposes to remove the option inputFiles from Pillar. Pillar will now take only 1 Pillar input file that must include the rest. This will simplify pillar.conf, this will simplify compile.sh, this will make it easier for the author to understand the process, and this will simplify Pillar's implementation. With this in place, we think we can fix the problems with anchors and inter-chapter links. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

May 4, 2015

Editing Pillar

by Norbert Hartl

I know there are few threads about Pillar these days. I'm sorry if I'm repeating another present question. What would be the best way to edit a pillar file in the image. Is there some nice rubric editor or the like where I can edit pillar syntax with highlighting? And has this something like the preview the class comment in pillar stuff offers? thanks, Norbert

May 4, 2015

[SURVEY] Pillar input/output files.

by Cyril Ferlicot

Hi, I'm currently working on the way we manage the input files and the output files. The way we manage the files now makes hard some improvement of Pillar. That's why with Damien we though about makes some changes. The changes are big so I wanted to talk about that with you. We propose to have always 1 file with all the work inside. That can use the inputFile tag. For example: "${inputFile:Chapter1.pillar}$ ${inputFile:Chapter2.pillar}$ ${inputFile:Chapter3.pillar}$ ${inputFile:Chapter4.pillar}$" And the option "separateOutputFiles" will now create 1 file each time we have a new Chapter. (!Level 1 header). That will make simpler the way to number everything and to create anchor because those 2 doesn't work well with the "separateOutputFile" option. What do you thing? That would be good with you? -- Cheers Cyril Ferlicot

May 4, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Issue with GT-Debugger

by Andrei Chis

I made a slice for backporting the fix to Pharo 4: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/15423/Backport-Pharo4-15422-SHTextStyler-… Can you load it and check that it fixes the problem. Cheers, Andrei On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Andrei Chis <chisvasileandrei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I need to double check again that the fix solves this problem and then > backport it from Pharo 5 to Pharo 4. > > Cheers, > Andrei > > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 10:12 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >> Indeed, it's a known issue and Andrei already investigated it. There is a >> discussion on the Pharo-dev mailing list. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Alexandre Bergel < >> alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> When tracing the execution in GT-debugger the text selection does not >>> always reflect the real position of the program counter. Consider the >>> following screenshot: >>> >>> I have simply pressed the step-into button, nothing more. The selection >>> is not meaningful. >>> Am I the only one to have noticed this? >>> It would be great to have it fixedâ¦ >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > >

May 4, 2015