December 2015 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework

by ericvm

There is an AdventureShell class made with Spec. You use it like this: (AdventureShell world: (CDGameWorld new)) openWithSpec. It is pretty basic, but gets the job done. 2015-12-28 10:33 GMT-02:00 Robert Withers [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n4868638h29(a)n4.nabble.com>: > This looks interesting. How can it be used and made interactive? I would > like to launch the CDGameWorld that did load with this configuration as an > interactive session, to see how this package is used. > > cheers, > Robert > > On 12/27/2015 10:14 PM, Eric Velten de Melo wrote: > > I think I fixed the issues with Metacello. Therefore, you should be able > to load by using Gofer. > > Gofer new > url:'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/ericvm/Smallworlds/main'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfSmallworlds'; > load. > > ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSmallworlds) project version:'0.3') load. > > > 2015-12-27 23:14 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Bergel <[hidden email] > <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4868638&i=0>>: > >> Hi! >> >> Something is wrong. PetitParser is indeed loaded. I get an error: This >> package depends on the following classes: >> CommandParser >> You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these >> definitions: >> CCCommandParser >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> > On Dec 27, 2015, at 9:13 PM, ericvm <[hidden email] >> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4868638&i=1>> wrote: >> > >> > You need to have PetitParser installed for it to work. >> > >> > ColossalCave is not ported, should be removed. >> > >> > I was not able to get the metacello cobfiguration working properly. >> > >> > But installing PetitParser and loading last commit of Smallworlds >> package should be enough. >> > >> > To run cloak of darkness, type >> > (AdventureShell world: (CDGameWorld new)) openWithSpec. >> > >> > Em 27 de dez de 2015 17:29, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email]> >> escreveu: >> > hi! >> > >> > I would like to try it, but I am facing some issues: >> > - I cannot use your configuration on Pharo 5. I get an error >> when trying to load the stable version >> > - I therefore tried to manually load the two packages. But >> Smallworlds-ColossalCave does not load. Some classes are missing. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > Alexandre >> > >> > >> > > On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:03 PM, ericvm <[hidden email]> wrote: >> > > >> > > I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to do that, but I'd >> like to >> > > announce that I finished a stable implementation of a framework for >> > > developing Interactive Fiction in Pharo Smalltalk. >> > > >> > > It is based on an old code written by Bob Jarvis for Dolphin, but it >> has >> > > been changed so much that it is almost something new. >> > > >> > > This is my first project and I'm still working around Metacello and >> > > polishing stuff up. So I appreciate any code contributions, comments >> or >> > > thoughts about it. >> > > >> > > It is hosted on Smalltalkhub: >> > > (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ericvm/Smallworlds) >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > View this message in context: >> <http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560.h…> >> http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560.h… >> > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at >> Nabble.com. >> > > >> > -- >> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the >> discussion below: >> > >> http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560p4… >> > To unsubscribe from Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework, click >> here. >> > NAML >> > >> > View this message in context: Re: Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction >> Framework >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Robert > . .. ... ^,^ > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560p4… > To unsubscribe from Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework, click > here > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…> > . > NAML > <http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560p4… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

by Robert Withers

Ben, I appreciate your reply. We were both involved in establishing boundaries: yours in the negative (don't post such here) and mine in the positive (I'll feel free to post on such matters). I'll follow your lead and not respond anymore to this thread. Best, Robert On 12/28/2015 06:52 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Robert Withers > <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Sure Ben, I could. My apologies if the paradigm of spirituality bothers you >> but it is a perfectly legitimate source of analogy AND interactive fiction, >> having just been exposed to what that is. > I'm quite comfortable with spirituality in the right context. Its > just a *distraction* from the technical content. Your posts have > interesting technical questions but the spiritual padding obfuscates > them such that I can't understand what you are asking and makes me > feel unqualified to any answer - so can only ignore such posts. But > actually I don't like doing so, thus I sought to advise you in a > concise way that did not pollute the mail list too much. I'm sure > others in the community are in the same boat, so really you are > narrowing your opportunity for useful responses from the community. > >> In addition I am connecting this to an educational process >> and picture of some unique areas of Pharo. >> I don't seem to have a problem nor am I breaking any "rules" I am aware of >> unless you have dominion, agency and possession to be establishing such a rule at >> this time. > Interesting that you take such an adversarial position to a polite > request. Religion is divisive and any particular doctrine can > alienate community members of some other doctrine, similar maybe to > how you feel about my request. This divisiveness is best left to > other forums. > > There are no written rules and I'm not establishing a new one. But > any community has an established culture and expectations of content, > which anyone should be able discern from observation of the majority > posts. It behoves you to pay attention to this of your own accord. > Indeed my comment should not have been necessary - but entropy dilutes > community standards unless they are actively maintained. > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Robert Withers > <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it was enough >> for the list and was signing off further comment when Ben decided he really >> needed to add his two cents. It is unfortunate he did not spend his change >> in a positive manner but wished to be negative and critical. > It was a hard decision for me to speak out. Its a fine line balancing > community norms against open discussion and I don't want to be the > arbitrator. But again community standards don't maintain themselves. > Now it is was not that particular thread but rather the spiritual > padding pervading many of your posts. > >> I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on the >> substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is twice as >> long. Not my doing. Some things must be challenged. > Online communities cooperate together under many implicit rules, so > they sometimes can be missed. Rather I was explicitly bringing this > rule to your attention. I do this publicly to provide the opportunity > for other community members to correct me if I'm wrong. > >> Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion. > Or say yes to playing well with others. > >> If so, I will desist; otherwise I will continue to mine the >> ancient sources of psychology and sociology for application to the best damn >> little programming environment every other language fails to emulate. >> >> Once again, my apologies this upsets you. > Its not upsetting, just tedious to have to twice take my time to > advise to you of community expectations. > But this is only a request, and its not a productive discussion so > will be my last post on the topic. Take a free right of reply and > I'll follow up in private. > > cheers -ben > > >> Sincerely, >> Robert >> >> >> On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >>> Hi Robert, >>> >>> I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual >>> level, >>> but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters, >>> (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted >>> responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail >>> often hide) >>> >>> cheers -ben >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers >>> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have >>>> always >>>> thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. The >>>> VM >>>> is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image >>>> together, >>>> through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead. >>>> >>>> I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was >>>> the >>>> meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form. >>>> >>>> Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for >>>> #random. :) >>>> >>>> nameste, >>>> robert >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas): >>>> 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya), >>>> 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita), >>>> 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga), >>>> 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and >>>> 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as >>>> being death. >>>> (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha) >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote: >>>> >>>> I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was >>>> jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the >>>> analogy >>>> of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is >>>> there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that >>>> have >>>> no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:). >>>> >>>> cheers, >>>> robert >>>> >>>> --- >>>> >>>> And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. >>>> Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer >>>> of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am >>>> not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the >>>> very source of creation. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote: >>>> >>>> On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Robert, >>>> >>>> Good day SaÅ¡a, >>>> >>>> Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge >>>> sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and >>>> a good thing too. >>>> >>>> Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not >>>> understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating. >>>> >>>> I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration >>>> and >>>> effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge >>>> supplants older limited knowledge. >>>> >>>> >>>> As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: >>>> it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;) >>>> >>>> :-) >>>> >>>> Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is >>>> split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this >>>> speculation when you find #new! :-) >>>> >>>> Hare hare and Merry Christmas, >>>> >>>> Haribol and Happy New Year! >>>> >>>> Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat! >>>> >>>> --- >>>> But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My >>>> transcendental formâto them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what >>>> they >>>> have. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, >>>> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the >>>> transcendent self. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> -- Robert . .. ... ^,^

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Sure Ben, I could. My apologies if the paradigm of spirituality bothers you > but it is a perfectly legitimate source of analogy AND interactive fiction, > having just been exposed to what that is. I'm quite comfortable with spirituality in the right context. Its just a *distraction* from the technical content. Your posts have interesting technical questions but the spiritual padding obfuscates them such that I can't understand what you are asking and makes me feel unqualified to any answer - so can only ignore such posts. But actually I don't like doing so, thus I sought to advise you in a concise way that did not pollute the mail list too much. I'm sure others in the community are in the same boat, so really you are narrowing your opportunity for useful responses from the community. > In addition I am connecting this to an educational process > and picture of some unique areas of Pharo. > I don't seem to have a problem nor am I breaking any "rules" I am aware of > unless you have dominion, agency and possession to be establishing such a rule at > this time. Interesting that you take such an adversarial position to a polite request. Religion is divisive and any particular doctrine can alienate community members of some other doctrine, similar maybe to how you feel about my request. This divisiveness is best left to other forums. There are no written rules and I'm not establishing a new one. But any community has an established culture and expectations of content, which anyone should be able discern from observation of the majority posts. It behoves you to pay attention to this of your own accord. Indeed my comment should not have been necessary - but entropy dilutes community standards unless they are actively maintained. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it was enough > for the list and was signing off further comment when Ben decided he really > needed to add his two cents. It is unfortunate he did not spend his change > in a positive manner but wished to be negative and critical. It was a hard decision for me to speak out. Its a fine line balancing community norms against open discussion and I don't want to be the arbitrator. But again community standards don't maintain themselves. Now it is was not that particular thread but rather the spiritual padding pervading many of your posts. > I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on the > substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is twice as > long. Not my doing. Some things must be challenged. Online communities cooperate together under many implicit rules, so they sometimes can be missed. Rather I was explicitly bringing this rule to your attention. I do this publicly to provide the opportunity for other community members to correct me if I'm wrong. > Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion. Or say yes to playing well with others. > If so, I will desist; otherwise I will continue to mine the > ancient sources of psychology and sociology for application to the best damn > little programming environment every other language fails to emulate. > > Once again, my apologies this upsets you. Its not upsetting, just tedious to have to twice take my time to advise to you of community expectations. But this is only a request, and its not a productive discussion so will be my last post on the topic. Take a free right of reply and I'll follow up in private. cheers -ben > Sincerely, > Robert > > > On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >> >> Hi Robert, >> >> I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual >> level, >> but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters, >> (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted >> responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail >> often hide) >> >> cheers -ben >> >> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers >> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I am not quite sure where arupa is (without form), actually. I have >>> always >>> thought of it as namarupa (name and form) and never before as arupa. The >>> VM >>> is what deals with form/rupa and binds the names/nama of the image >>> together, >>> through dynamic lookup, versus static lookup. Alive & dead. >>> >>> I've never thought about the arupa of Pharo, yet I was thinking it was >>> the >>> meta layers, where everything has the same amorphic form. >>> >>> Perhaps the analogy starts to fall apart. My apologies...I'll try for >>> #random. :) >>> >>> nameste, >>> robert >>> >>> >>> -- >>> There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas): >>> 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya), >>> 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita), >>> 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga), >>> 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and >>> 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as >>> being death. >>> (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha) >>> >>> >>> On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote: >>> >>> I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was >>> jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the >>> analogy >>> of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is >>> there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that >>> have >>> no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:). >>> >>> cheers, >>> robert >>> >>> --- >>> >>> And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. >>> Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer >>> of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am >>> not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the >>> very source of creation. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: >>> >>> Hello Robert, >>> >>> Good day SaÅ¡a, >>> >>> Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge >>> sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and >>> a good thing too. >>> >>> Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not >>> understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating. >>> >>> I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration >>> and >>> effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge >>> supplants older limited knowledge. >>> >>> >>> As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: >>> it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;) >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is >>> split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this >>> speculation when you find #new! :-) >>> >>> Hare hare and Merry Christmas, >>> >>> Haribol and Happy New Year! >>> >>> Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat! >>> >>> --- >>> But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My >>> transcendental formâto them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what >>> they >>> have. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, >>> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the >>> transcendent self. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

by Robert Withers

On 12/28/2015 04:58 AM, Nicolai Hess wrote: > > > 2015-12-28 3:15 GMT+01:00 Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com > <mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com>>: > > Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it > was enough for the list and was signing off further comment when > Ben decided he really needed to add his two cents. It is > unfortunate he did not spend his change in a positive manner but > wished to be negative and critical. > > > > > Hi Robert, > usually, I don't comment on this kind of discussion. It wastes > resources we don't have. > I just want to let other peoples (like ben, phil, johan,...) know, > that I share their opinion. > I don't like if people argue with "I am censored", because someone > critisized you. > I don't like if people see every critic as a negative personel attack. > > you post on this list, and people suggest to stay ontopic resp. > explain how this things are related > to pharo. That's all. Which is exactly what I did, I posted how it is related and still caught a knee-jerk reaction. I am drawing a line. I will continue to reference religious and scriptural meta-models. There is coherent thought in these models and they are familiar to the majority of the people on the planet, the average person, even if the intellectuals fail to resonate with it. This familiarity makes it a good model for the average person to interact. Seems to be a lack of knowledge on the side of the intellectuals. Robert > > > nicolai > > I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on > the substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is > twice as long. Not my doing. Some things must be challenged. > > Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion. > > robert > > On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote: >> Hi Robert, >> >> I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level, >> but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters, >> (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted >> responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail >> often hide) >> >> cheers -ben >> >> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers >> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> <mailto:robert.w.withers@gmail.com> wrote: >>> *My apologies...I'll try for #random. :)* >>> >>> nameste, >>> robert >>> >>> >>> -- >>> There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas): >>> 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya), >>> 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita), >>> 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga), >>> 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and >>> 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as >>> being death. >>> (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha) >>> >>> >>> On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote: >>> >>> I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was >>> jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy >>> of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is >>> there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have >>> no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:). >>> >>> cheers, >>> robert >>> >>> --- >>> >>> And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. >>> Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer >>> of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am >>> not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the >>> very source of creation. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote: >>> >>> On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka<gour(a)atmarama.com> <mailto:gour@atmarama.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: >>> >>> Hello Robert, >>> >>> Good day SaÅ¡a, >>> >>> Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge >>> sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and >>> a good thing too. >>> >>> Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not >>> understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating. >>> >>> I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and >>> effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge >>> supplants older limited knowledge. >>> >>> >>> As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: >>> it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;) >>> >>> :-) >>> >>> Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is >>> split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this >>> speculation when you find #new! :-) >>> Hare hare and Merry Christmas, >>> >>> Haribol and Happy New Year! >>> >>> Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat! >>> >>> --- >>> But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My >>> transcendental formâto them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they >>> have. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, >>> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the >>> transcendent self. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- > Robert > . .. ... ^,^ > > -- Robert . .. ... ^,^

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] why Pillar

by SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka

On Ned, 2015-12-27 at 18:50 -0500, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: Hiya, > Seems that the reasons exposed in this tread are: It predated > markdown,Â so was already used inside the community, and gives us > finer control onÂ the overall markup language, including exporting > formats.Â Nothing against it, but some features like footnotes are simply 'must' for serious writing, at least in my domain. > Two projects implement this ideaÂ Pandoc[2]Â Yeah, Pandoc is great and it would be cool to have Pillar support for it. > and Grav[3] and both use a combination of markdown and yaml. Grav looks interesting, but I believe I simply want to leave PHP world. :-) > My bet is onÂ pandoc (markdown+yaml) for writing almost anything, with > some advantagesÂ over pillar: My main complaint to markdown is that it is not standard, despite many attempts (or extensions). > b. It has support for bibliographic references, footnotes a a moreÂ > complete feature set. I wonder how is it that despite being present for so long, it does miss such features... > I have been using Nikola myself and keeping myself under a more > cohesiveÂ python environment for making my publishing and > scripting/programmingÂ exploration. That changed after knowing > Pharo/Roassal/Moose and now IÂ try to "live inside" these technologies > most of the time for my ownÂ interactive documentation and > visualization project[6] and connect withÂ the external world via > standards & formats like Json, cvs, yaml andÂ markdown. That's why now > I'm using grav instead of Nikola for my webÂ publishing.Â Have you considered to use Pillar markup with Nikola? That's one option I'm considering if Pillar is going to get things liek footnotes etc. > Ecstatic have more powerful things like a logic-lessÂ > approach to templating via mustache, that is neutral to the > underlayingÂ language That would be another 'pro' for Pillar markup+Nikola, although I belive Jinja is sufficient for my web needs. Btw, let me say that I'm also inspired with Butterick and was considering to use Racket for my project, but ended up here. :-) > So, while I think that choosing Pharo technologies is better for > makingÂ them more mature, tested and used, I also think that is > important toÂ choose proper balance to know which combination of Pharo > technologiesÂ and external ones is adequate.Â I didn't mention, but I was playing with Golang's Hugo for some time which is also nice and, to me, preferrable over PHP. > Ps: Would you mind to share more details about your project. TheÂ > questions you're asking for it are pretty interesting. Well, I' considering to write extensive application for Vedic astrology (including calendaring app) which could be used for research purposes, e.g. having ability to seatch for different patterns present in charts stored in local (Sqlite3) databases. There is something similar here: http://saravali.de/maitreya.html but it's written in C++/wx, while I hope to make it with Pharo. Sincerely, Gour --Â Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow. AndÂ whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues. -- As a strong wind sweeps away a boat on the water, even one of the roaming senses on which the mind focuses can carry away a man's intelligence. http://www.atmarama.net | Hlapicina (Croatia) | GPG: 52B5C810

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

by Nicolai Hess

2015-12-28 3:15 GMT+01:00 Robert Withers <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com>: > Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it was > enough for the list and was signing off further comment when Ben decided he > really needed to add his two cents. It is unfortunate he did not spend his > change in a positive manner but wished to be negative and critical. > > Hi Robert, usually, I don't comment on this kind of discussion. It wastes resources we don't have. I just want to let other peoples (like ben, phil, johan,...) know, that I share their opinion. I don't like if people argue with "I am censored", because someone critisized you. I don't like if people see every critic as a negative personel attack. you post on this list, and people suggest to stay ontopic resp. explain how this things are related to pharo. That's all. nicolai > I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on the > substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is twice as > long. Not my doing. Some things must be challenged. > > Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion. > > robert > > On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > > Hi Robert, > > I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level, > but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters, > (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted > responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail > often hide) > > cheers -ben > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers<robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > *My apologies...I'll try for > #random. :)* > > nameste, > robert > > > -- > There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas): > 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya), > 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita), > 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga), > 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and > 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as > being death. > (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha) > > > On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote: > > I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was > jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy > of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is > there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have > no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:). > > cheers, > robert > > --- > > And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. > Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer > of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am > not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the > very source of creation. > > > > > On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote: > > On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: > > On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: > > Hello Robert, > > Good day SaÅ¡a, > > Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge > sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and > a good thing too. > > Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not > understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating. > > I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and > effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge > supplants older limited knowledge. > > > As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: > it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;) > > :-) > > Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is > split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this > speculation when you find #new! :-) > > Hare hare and Merry Christmas, > > Haribol and Happy New Year! > > Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat! > > --- > But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My > transcendental formâto them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they > have. > > > -- > As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, > whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the > transcendent self. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Robert > . .. ... ^,^ > >

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] up to date library to access facebook api

by Ben Coman

On Sun, Dec 27, 2015 at 7:11 PM, stvienna wiener <stvienna(a)gmail.com> wrote: > hi, > > is there a up to date library to access the facebook API ('graph api')? The > facebook api had major changes in April 2015, so any library that wasn't > updated in the last few months is probably not working at all. > > > I looked at this place to find a library: > http://smalltalkhub.com/list > > If there is not a library available, what libraries (e.g., rest client > libraries for accessing json APIs) should I use to build my own code? > > Best, > Steve > > PS: this is my first message to pharo mailing list, I'm new... hi Steve, and welcome. I hope you enjoy discovering Pharo. Unfortunately I don't know of any Facebook library for Pharo. The closest is probably [1] for the Google Service Discovery API https://www.min.at/prinz/?x=entry:entry150318-104537. @all, I found this interesting... http://nordicapis.com/api-discovery-11-ways-to-find-apis/ cheers -ben http://nordicapis.com/api-discovery-11-ways-to-find-apis/

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework

by Eric Velten de Melo

I think I fixed the issues with Metacello. Therefore, you should be able to load by using Gofer. Gofer new url:'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/ericvm/Smallworlds/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfSmallworlds'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfSmallworlds) project version:'0.3') load. 2015-12-27 23:14 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: > Hi! > > Something is wrong. PetitParser is indeed loaded. I get an error: This > package depends on the following classes: > CommandParser > You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load these > definitions: > CCCommandParser > > Alexandre > > > > On Dec 27, 2015, at 9:13 PM, ericvm <ericvmelo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > You need to have PetitParser installed for it to work. > > > > ColossalCave is not ported, should be removed. > > > > I was not able to get the metacello cobfiguration working properly. > > > > But installing PetitParser and loading last commit of Smallworlds > package should be enough. > > > > To run cloak of darkness, type > > (AdventureShell world: (CDGameWorld new)) openWithSpec. > > > > Em 27 de dez de 2015 17:29, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email]> > escreveu: > > hi! > > > > I would like to try it, but I am facing some issues: > > - I cannot use your configuration on Pharo 5. I get an error > when trying to load the stable version > > - I therefore tried to manually load the two packages. But > Smallworlds-ColossalCave does not load. Some classes are missing. > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > > On Dec 27, 2015, at 12:03 PM, ericvm <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > > > > I don't know if this is the appropriate venue to do that, but I'd like > to > > > announce that I finished a stable implementation of a framework for > > > developing Interactive Fiction in Pharo Smalltalk. > > > > > > It is based on an old code written by Bob Jarvis for Dolphin, but it > has > > > been changed so much that it is almost something new. > > > > > > This is my first project and I'm still working around Metacello and > > > polishing stuff up. So I appreciate any code contributions, comments or > > > thoughts about it. > > > > > > It is hosted on Smalltalkhub: > > > (http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~ericvm/Smallworlds) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560.h… > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > > http://forum.world.st/Smallworlds-Interactive-Fiction-Framework-tp4868560p4… > > To unsubscribe from Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction Framework, click > here. > > NAML > > > > View this message in context: Re: Smallworlds - Interactive Fiction > Framework > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar)

by Robert Withers

Here's the thing that gets my goat: I had already acknowledged it was enough for the list and was signing off further comment when Ben decided he really needed to add his two cents. It is unfortunate he did not spend his change in a positive manner but wished to be negative and critical. I was unwilling to let that go by as an implicit restriction on the substance of my posting, into the future. ...and the thread is twice as long. Not my doing. Some things must be challenged. Do you know what I mean, then? Just say no to intellectual coercion. robert On 12/27/2015 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > Hi Robert, > > I'm glad your found someone on the list to connect to on a spiritual level, > but could you please keep your public posts to technical matters, > (plus keep signatures short and trim old signatures from quoted > responses - which unfortunately threaded email clients like gmail > often hide) > > cheers -ben > > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 2:15 AM, Robert Withers > <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> *My apologies...I'll try for #random. :)* >> >> nameste, >> robert >> >> >> -- >> There are five kinds of coloring (kleshas): >> 1) forgetting, or ignorance about the true nature of things (avidya), >> 2) I-ness, individuality, or egoism (asmita), >> 3) attachment or addiction to mental impressions or objects (raga), >> 4) aversion to thought patterns or objects (dvesha), and >> 5) love of these as being life itself, as well as fear of their loss as >> being death. >> (avidya asmita raga dvesha abhinivesha pancha klesha) >> >> >> On 12/27/2015 09:44 AM, Robert Withers wrote: >> >> I was thinking about this on my drive home, more, and I think that I was >> jumping the duck. #new is related to named classes, therefore in the analogy >> of brahma-loka, this is more of a rupa level behavior. The arupa level is >> there (and there is a #new at that level) but it deals with things that have >> no form, but by name only (#allInstancesDo:). >> >> cheers, >> robert >> >> --- >> >> And yet everything that is created does not rest in Me. >> Behold My mystic opulence! Although I am the maintainer >> of all living entities and although I am everywhere, I am >> not a part of this cosmic manifestation, for My Self is the >> very source of creation. >> >> >> >> >> On 12/26/2015 08:50 PM, Robert Withers wrote: >> >> On Dec 26, 2015, at 2:26 AM, SaÅ¡a JaniÅ¡ka <gour(a)atmarama.com> wrote: >> >> On Pet, 2015-12-25 at 15:59 -0500, Robert Withers wrote: >> >> Hello Robert, >> >> Good day SaÅ¡a, >> >> Welcome to Pharo! I view use of Pharo (squeak) as a knowledge >> sacrifice eliminating bondage to Karma. This is not the mainstream and >> a good thing too. >> >> Nice comparison...although, being at the beginning I still do not >> understand/see it as a sacrifice, but can feel it is liberating. >> >> I suppose I think that the expenditure of time, resources, concentration and >> effort constitute said sacrifice of knowledge as new broader knowledge >> supplants older limited knowledge. >> >> >> As an example, where is the root implementation of #new defined? Hint: >> it is close to Pharo's arupa-brahma-loka, the highest planes. ;) >> >> :-) >> >> Well I do think the meta system is the realms of brahma-loka, and that is >> split into rupa and arupa. Please let us know your thoughts on this >> speculation when you find #new! :-) >> >> Hare hare and Merry Christmas, >> >> Haribol and Happy New Year! >> >> Dhiyo yo nah prachodayat! >> >> --- >> But those who always worship Me with exclusive devotion, meditating on My >> transcendental formâto them I carry what they lack, and I preserve what they >> have. >> >> >> -- >> As a lamp in a windless place does not waver, so the transcendentalist, >> whose mind is controlled, remains always steady in his meditation on the >> transcendent self. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- Robert . .. ... ^,^

Dec. 28, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Meta-models (Re: Transcendental #new (was Re: why Pillar))

by Robert Withers

Yes, here we are, all three models. Just like we have a bunch of languages from around the world, my wish is to see many meta-models for my higher stack layers, as many would not understand one or the other and can, in fact, create their own model through which they control their interactions with the One distriubuted cloud image-based Metaverse. Let us aim high. So to Pharo: How can I do this multi-model interactions on a real system, through multi-meme interactive fiction? Do you know what I mean, then? robert Military lens Cell lens Vedic lens On 12/27/2015 08:55 PM, Robert Withers wrote: > > > On 12/27/2015 01:50 PM, Johan Fabry wrote: >> On Dec 27, 2015, at 15:18, Robert Withers >> <robert.w.withers(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Alright, I ask you all. Which meta-model is acceptable for >>> practical work in my stack? I need a meta-model to describe it, or >>> rahter anyone should be able to skin the meta-model they want and >>> that makes most sense. These consciousness meta-models, or >>> meta-memes, from religious tradition are well-defined models. >> >> I have no opinion on this, this is a design question for your work, >> and not straightforwardly related to Pharo itself. In my opinion and >> apparently in the opinion of others as well, this is not a topic for >> this mailing list. Sending multiple mails to the list about it can be >> considered bad netiquette. > > I find it very unfortunate you sidestepped my question with a claim of > not only no opinion, but that it has no place on this list. > Intellectual dishonesty is a rather poor maneuver for one who claims > to be of an enlightened tribe. I object on the basis of principle. > > So, I would extend you another opportunity, which are valid > meta-models? Let's talk about meta-memes and meta-models within > Pharo's creative space. Shall it be the military analogy, then? How > unfortunate, I'd wish an alternative. > > Regards, > -- > Robert > . .. ... ^,^ -- Robert . .. ... ^,^

Dec. 28, 2015