November 2015 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Changing playground and monticello shortcuts

by Henrik Johansen

Ehm, or maybe fix event dispatch so it works properly? It should always end up testing for event handling By the leaf morph at the given event position and work its way up if unhandled, not check top-down like the change to dispatchEvent:with: has ended up doing... Cheers, Henry > On 11 Nov 2015, at 11:46 , Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > I actually think we should disable those shortcuts. > > The reason is that they âpollute" the global shortcut space: for example, you can now not use Cmd+o for any custom action in your own window, and that is less than ideal. > > The alternative is to use Spotter to spawn windows. The interesting thing there is that you do not need shortcuts for every specific windows because you can use regular search. For example, opening Playground is: Shift+Enter, p, Enter > > Cheers, > Doru > > >> On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2015-11-11 10:45 GMT+01:00 Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com>: >> Hi, >> >> currently to open a Playground via shortcut one has to type <cmd>+o+w, that's because it used to open Workspace. >> However since it now opens Playground the shortcut is no longer appropriate. >> >> So can we change it to <cmd>+o+p? >> (This shortcut is currently occupied by Monticello Browser, but that can be movd to <cmd>+o+m which is free.) >> >> cmd+o+m would be >> ctrl+o ctrl+m on windows, but ctrl+m does not work yet on windows. >> >> >> You could argue that people are used to this shortcut, however that will not be true for newcommers, who will just see it as random naming (which it currently is). >> >> Peter >> > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go." > > > >

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] How to make an input field with some formating abilities

by Tudor Girba

Hi, The only similarity is the need to have a more scriptable API for widgets. Other than that, the two engines have different goals and structure: Glamour is for browsers, Spec is for declarative user interfaces. Cheers, Doru > On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:58 AM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > how come Spec does not unite with Glamour and vice versa if the goals are similar ? > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:22 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > The same type of fluid interface is available in Glamour. > > That is why this quick prototyping has to make it in the base layer, not just in the libraries that are built on top (like Glamour or Spec). > > Doru > > > > On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:16 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > yes the dynamic building of spec guis is definetly better than morphic > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:11 PM Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > > No worries, no offense taken (at least on my part). I could just not resist posting a 3-liner that showed you that some things do work nicely in Spec :-) > > > >> On Nov 10, 2015, at 17:50, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> Just for the record when I say I dont like something is a mere stating of an opinion and in no way a chance to offend or downgrade the hard work that went to those libraries. Afterall most of the time I dont even like my own code. There is no right or wrong here, just personal taste. > >> > >> And I have recommended Spec to several people because its still the simpler way to build GUIs on the go. And I am grateful for the Morphic cleanup and Rubrics extra functionality. For the record my days with Delphi are long gone and I would not leave Pharo to go back to Delphi in a million years. I love Pharo because the things I like are far more than the things I dislike. Keep up the awesome work. You made Pharo my new home and I am here to stay :) > >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing should have the right to be different." > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Quality cannot be an afterthought."

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] How to make an input field with some formating abilities

by Dimitris Chloupis

how come Spec does not unite with Glamour and vice versa if the goals are similar ? On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 12:22 PM Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > The same type of fluid interface is available in Glamour. > > That is why this quick prototyping has to make it in the base layer, not > just in the libraries that are built on top (like Glamour or Spec). > > Doru > > > > On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:16 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > yes the dynamic building of spec guis is definetly better than morphic > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:11 PM Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> > wrote: > > > > No worries, no offense taken (at least on my part). I could just not > resist posting a 3-liner that showed you that some things do work nicely in > Spec :-) > > > >> On Nov 10, 2015, at 17:50, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Just for the record when I say I dont like something is a mere stating > of an opinion and in no way a chance to offend or downgrade the hard work > that went to those libraries. Afterall most of the time I dont even like my > own code. There is no right or wrong here, just personal taste. > >> > >> And I have recommended Spec to several people because its still the > simpler way to build GUIs on the go. And I am grateful for the Morphic > cleanup and Rubrics extra functionality. For the record my days with Delphi > are long gone and I would not leave Pharo to go back to Delphi in a > million years. I love Pharo because the things I like are far more than the > things I dislike. Keep up the awesome work. You made Pharo my new home and > I am here to stay :) > >> > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - > University of Chile > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing should have the right to be different." > > > > >

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Changing playground and monticello shortcuts

by Tudor Girba

I actually think we should disable those shortcuts. The reason is that they âpollute" the global shortcut space: for example, you can now not use Cmd+o for any custom action in your own window, and that is less than ideal. The alternative is to use Spotter to spawn windows. The interesting thing there is that you do not need shortcuts for every specific windows because you can use regular search. For example, opening Playground is: Shift+Enter, p, Enter Cheers, Doru > On Nov 11, 2015, at 10:49 AM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2015-11-11 10:45 GMT+01:00 Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > currently to open a Playground via shortcut one has to type <cmd>+o+w, that's because it used to open Workspace. > However since it now opens Playground the shortcut is no longer appropriate. > > So can we change it to <cmd>+o+p? > (This shortcut is currently occupied by Monticello Browser, but that can be movd to <cmd>+o+m which is free.) > > cmd+o+m would be > ctrl+o ctrl+m on windows, but ctrl+m does not work yet on windows. > > > You could argue that people are used to this shortcut, however that will not be true for newcommers, who will just see it as random naming (which it currently is). > > Peter > -- www.tudorgirba.com "We cannot reach the flow of things unless we let go."

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] How to make an input field with some formating abilities

by Tudor Girba

The same type of fluid interface is available in Glamour. That is why this quick prototyping has to make it in the base layer, not just in the libraries that are built on top (like Glamour or Spec). Doru > On Nov 10, 2015, at 10:16 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > yes the dynamic building of spec guis is definetly better than morphic > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 11:11 PM Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > No worries, no offense taken (at least on my part). I could just not resist posting a 3-liner that showed you that some things do work nicely in Spec :-) > >> On Nov 10, 2015, at 17:50, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Just for the record when I say I dont like something is a mere stating of an opinion and in no way a chance to offend or downgrade the hard work that went to those libraries. Afterall most of the time I dont even like my own code. There is no right or wrong here, just personal taste. >> >> And I have recommended Spec to several people because its still the simpler way to build GUIs on the go. And I am grateful for the Morphic cleanup and Rubrics extra functionality. For the record my days with Delphi are long gone and I would not leave Pharo to go back to Delphi in a million years. I love Pharo because the things I like are far more than the things I dislike. Keep up the awesome work. You made Pharo my new home and I am here to stay :) >> > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing should have the right to be different."

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Changing playground and monticello shortcuts

by Nicolai Hess

2015-11-11 10:45 GMT+01:00 Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > > currently to open a Playground via shortcut one has to type <cmd>+o+w, > that's because it used to open Workspace. > However since it now opens Playground the shortcut is no longer > appropriate. > > So can we change it to <cmd>+o+p? > (This shortcut is currently occupied by Monticello Browser, but that can > be movd to <cmd>+o+m which is free.) > cmd+o+m would be ctrl+o ctrl+m on windows, but ctrl+m does not work yet on windows. > > You could argue that people are used to this shortcut, however that will > not be true for newcommers, who will just see it as random naming (which it > currently is). > > Peter >

Nov. 11, 2015

Changing playground and monticello shortcuts

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, currently to open a Playground via shortcut one has to type <cmd>+o+w, that's because it used to open Workspace. However since it now opens Playground the shortcut is no longer appropriate. So can we change it to <cmd>+o+p? (This shortcut is currently occupied by Monticello Browser, but that can be movd to <cmd>+o+m which is free.) You could argue that people are used to this shortcut, however that will not be true for newcommers, who will just see it as random naming (which it currently is). Peter

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] How to make an input field with some formating abilities

by Stephan Eggermont

On 10-11-15 21:18, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Delphi continued with the new company but since > the new company has nowhere near the resources of Borland the decided to > embrace .NET while keeping VCL around purely for compatibility reasons. Now > Delphi works on .NET which follow a very similar design to Delphi anyway > and for the first time Delphi can run on all 3 OSes through Mono which the > company does actively support. Prism/Oxygene/Elements/Silver are from a different company (RemObjects) that originally delivered a remoting/database solution to Delphi. The original Delphi is now with Embarcadero, who used FreePascal for a while to build a cross-platform solution. Stephan

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal and custom morphs

by Dimitris Chloupis

Yeap this is perfect . I even tried it with a simple transparent Morph openInWorld and it draws Roassal elements in transparent background , exactly as I wanted because I play a lot with transparency with my custom GUIs. I also like the elegance of the Roassal API very much, looks like I will be using it for adding some extra dynamic graphics to my custom guis so I dont rely completely on static images. Thank you both :) On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:41 AM Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Excellent example :-) > > Alexandre > > > > On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Dimitris Chloupis < > kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Am I correct to assume that I can easily embed Roassal visualizations > inside morphs ? Also where is the official documentation ? is this still it > ? > > > > http://agilevisualization.com/#book > > > > Yes. > > > > Roassal itself is embedded inside a TRMorph, which is a ...morph. :) > > > > For example: > > > > [[[ > > |container button view es e| > > > > view := RTView new. > > container := BorderedMorph new. > > (button := PluggableButtonMorph new) > > label: 'I am a morph'; > > actionBlock: [ (view elements, view edges) do: [ :each | each > color: Color random. each signalUpdate ] ]. > > > > es := RTBox new color: Color black; size: 50; elementsOn: #(1 2). > > e := RTLine new color: Color black; edgeFrom: es first to: es second. > > view addAll: es; add: e. > > es second translateBy: 100 @ 200. > > > > container addMorph: view canvas buildMorph. > > container addMorph: button. > > > > container openInWindow. > > ]]] > > > > Peter > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

Nov. 11, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal and custom morphs

by Alexandre Bergel

Excellent example :-) Alexandre > On Nov 10, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Am I correct to assume that I can easily embed Roassal visualizations inside morphs ? Also where is the official documentation ? is this still it ? > > http://agilevisualization.com/#book > > Yes. > > Roassal itself is embedded inside a TRMorph, which is a ...morph. :) > > For example: > > [[[ > |container button view es e| > > view := RTView new. > container := BorderedMorph new. > (button := PluggableButtonMorph new) > label: 'I am a morph'; > actionBlock: [ (view elements, view edges) do: [ :each | each color: Color random. each signalUpdate ] ]. > > es := RTBox new color: Color black; size: 50; elementsOn: #(1 2). > e := RTLine new color: Color black; edgeFrom: es first to: es second. > view addAll: es; add: e. > es second translateBy: 100 @ 200. > > container addMorph: view canvas buildMorph. > container addMorph: button. > > container openInWindow. > ]]] > > Peter > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Nov. 10, 2015