October 2015 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Deleting methods

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Something is kind of broken, but the issues occur only in special cases when a method or a class is between existence and non-existence. Iâll try to change my code so that these cases will not "take place". Uko > On 09 Oct 2015, at 20:56, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Aa, it was you, Yuriy :) Then it is ok! I thought this exception happens because something deep inside pharo is broken :) > Thanks for looking into it > > Cheers, > Alex > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: > There is a new version of QA awaiting integration. I should resolve the problem. Iâll let you know when it is integrated, and then you can let me know if it worked out. > > Uko > > >> On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com <mailto:alex.syrel@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> The same happens to me! Annoying... >> >> On Oct 9, 2015 5:02 PM, "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> I am just deleting a lot of methodsâ¦ Maybe multiply deleting methods seems to be related (in a browser, select several methods, and press cmd-m-x) >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Ah, there was something about thatâ¦ >>> >>> Do you something specific to get this issue? Because I do not encounter it, but Iâd like to fix it. >>> >>> Uko >>> >>>> On 09 Oct 2015, at 16:47, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> When I select methods, I often get a MessageNotUnderstood: isDefault is sent to nil within: >>>> RBUnpackagedCodeRule>>isUnpackaged: >>>> >>>> Am I the only one to experience this? >>>> >>>> This is highly annoying :-( >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > >

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Deleting methods

by Aliaksei Syrel

Aa, it was you, Yuriy :) Then it is ok! I thought this exception happens because something deep inside pharo is broken :) Thanks for looking into it Cheers, Alex On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > There is a new version of QA awaiting integration. I should resolve the > problem. Iâll let you know when it is integrated, and then you can let me > know if it worked out. > > Uko > > > On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The same happens to me! Annoying... > On Oct 9, 2015 5:02 PM, "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > wrote: > >> I am just deleting a lot of methodsâ¦ Maybe multiply deleting methods >> seems to be related (in a browser, select several methods, and press >> cmd-m-x) >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: >> >> Ah, there was something about thatâ¦ >> >> Do you something specific to get this issue? Because I do not encounter >> it, but Iâd like to fix it. >> >> Uko >> >> On 09 Oct 2015, at 16:47, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> When I select methods, I often get a MessageNotUnderstood: isDefault is >> sent to nil within: >> RBUnpackagedCodeRule>>isUnpackaged: >> >> Am I the only one to experience this? >> >> This is highly annoying :-( >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Deleting methods

by Yuriy Tymchuk

There is a new version of QA awaiting integration. I should resolve the problem. Iâll let you know when it is integrated, and then you can let me know if it worked out. Uko > On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:54, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > The same happens to me! Annoying... > > On Oct 9, 2015 5:02 PM, "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: > I am just deleting a lot of methodsâ¦ Maybe multiply deleting methods seems to be related (in a browser, select several methods, and press cmd-m-x) > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Ah, there was something about thatâ¦ >> >> Do you something specific to get this issue? Because I do not encounter it, but Iâd like to fix it. >> >> Uko >> >>> On 09 Oct 2015, at 16:47, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi! >>> >>> When I select methods, I often get a MessageNotUnderstood: isDefault is sent to nil within: >>> RBUnpackagedCodeRule>>isUnpackaged: >>> >>> Am I the only one to experience this? >>> >>> This is highly annoying :-( >>> >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >> >

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Roassal3D is moving...

by Alexandre Bergel

Well, the example has been made in Roassal3d, built on top of Woden. Woden is low level. It may be suitable for game building, however for data visualization it is not the best. Let us know how it goes! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Oct 9, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > 2 reasons: > > 1) something is always incompatible (Iâve tried 2 times already) > 2) I have too many things hardcoded in Roassal3D subclasses. I have to move it into a proper model, and this will take time. > > Iâll take a look at the Orbiter. Although as far as I remember Roassal3D and Woden have different interfaces. > > Cheers. > Uko > > >> On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >> Ah sorry. >> Teseo has written the class OrbitController. I think you should be able to reuse it for Roassal3d Old. But why not trying to migrate to Woden instead? >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> No, the control the interaction that moves you around the object when you drag mouse instead of "rotating your headâ as in fps game. >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> >>>> On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:11, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> By flyover you mean having a text tooltip? >>>> >>>> Alexandre >>>> -- >>>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> No, honestly Iâd really appreciate if someone can help me to add this flyover interaction to ViDI, so we can run some kind of controlled experiment on it (and for now itâs not an option to move ViDI to Woden). >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Moose-dev mailing list >>>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Roassal3D is moving...

by Yuriy Tymchuk

2 reasons: 1) something is always incompatible (Iâve tried 2 times already) 2) I have too many things hardcoded in Roassal3D subclasses. I have to move it into a proper model, and this will take time. Iâll take a look at the Orbiter. Although as far as I remember Roassal3D and Woden have different interfaces. Cheers. Uko > On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:54, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > Ah sorry. > Teseo has written the class OrbitController. I think you should be able to reuse it for Roassal3d Old. But why not trying to migrate to Woden instead? > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >> >> No, the control the interaction that moves you around the object when you drag mouse instead of "rotating your headâ as in fps game. >> >> Uko >> >> >>> On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:11, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> By flyover you mean having a text tooltip? >>> >>> Alexandre >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No, honestly Iâd really appreciate if someone can help me to add this flyover interaction to ViDI, so we can run some kind of controlled experiment on it (and for now itâs not an option to move ViDI to Woden). >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Moose-dev mailing list >>> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >>> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev <https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Roassal3D is moving...

by Alexandre Bergel

Ah sorry. Teseo has written the class OrbitController. I think you should be able to reuse it for Roassal3d Old. But why not trying to migrate to Woden instead? Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Oct 9, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > No, the control the interaction that moves you around the object when you drag mouse instead of "rotating your headâ as in fps game. > > Uko > > >> On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:11, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com <mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: >> >> By flyover you mean having a text tooltip? >> >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >>> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> No, honestly Iâd really appreciate if someone can help me to add this flyover interaction to ViDI, so we can run some kind of controlled experiment on it (and for now itâs not an option to move ViDI to Woden). >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch <mailto:Moose-dev@iam.unibe.ch> >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Deleting methods

by Aliaksei Syrel

The same happens to me! Annoying... On Oct 9, 2015 5:02 PM, "Alexandre Bergel" <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > I am just deleting a lot of methodsâ¦ Maybe multiply deleting methods seems > to be related (in a browser, select several methods, and press cmd-m-x) > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > On Oct 9, 2015, at 11:49 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > Ah, there was something about thatâ¦ > > Do you something specific to get this issue? Because I do not encounter > it, but Iâd like to fix it. > > Uko > > On 09 Oct 2015, at 16:47, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > wrote: > > Hi! > > When I select methods, I often get a MessageNotUnderstood: isDefault is > sent to nil within: > RBUnpackagedCodeRule>>isUnpackaged: > > Am I the only one to experience this? > > This is highly annoying :-( > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > >

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Roassal3D is moving...

by Yuriy Tymchuk

No, the control the interaction that moves you around the object when you drag mouse instead of "rotating your headâ as in fps game. Uko > On 09 Oct 2015, at 19:11, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > By flyover you mean having a text tooltip? > > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu <http://www.bergel.eu/> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > >> On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: >> >> No, honestly Iâd really appreciate if someone can help me to add this flyover interaction to ViDI, so we can run some kind of controlled experiment on it (and for now itâs not an option to move ViDI to Woden). > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Roassal3D is moving...

by Alexandre Bergel

By flyover you mean having a text tooltip? Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > No, honestly Iâd really appreciate if someone can help me to add this flyover interaction to ViDI, so we can run some kind of controlled experiment on it (and for now itâs not an option to move ViDI to Woden).

Oct. 9, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Multiple method deletion

by Alexandre Bergel

Pharo 5, lastest version Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On Oct 9, 2015, at 1:00 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > > Which Pharo, Pharo4 ? > I loose confident in the Pharo class browser since mark 3. I hope it > will get better. > > Hilaire > > Le 09/10/2015 16:44, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >> Hi! >> >> When I select several methods in Nautilus, and press cmd-m-x it seems >> to delete more method that I have selected. It makes me lose code :-( >> >> Cheers, >> Alexandre >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Geo > http://drgeo.eu > http://google.com/+DrgeoEu > > >

Oct. 9, 2015