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Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and VPS

by Stephan Eggermont

On 15-10-15 17:22, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> On 15 Oct 2015, at 17:17, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am exploring getting a VPS similar to the 1GB option. >> https://www.linode.com/pricing >> >> I have not selected a company or service at this time so this is simply an example and one of my options. >> >> I have not used such a service before. >> >> How suitable is Pharo currently for such an use case? We run a few pharo images with a pier site each behind nginx on the smallest ($5/mnd) DigitalOcean VPS. Stephan

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and VPS

by olivier auverlot

Hi, OVH have a very cool plan with Debian7 or 8. https://www.ovh.com/fr/vps/vps-ssd.xml Olivier ;-) 2015-10-15 17:40 GMT+02:00 Andres Fortier <andres.fortier(a)gmail.com>: > As an alternative, Openshift has a free plan that includes 3 small gears > (512RAM - 1GB storage IIRC). I've used to host different things (mostly RoR > apps) but I think there should be no problem on hosting a Pharo app with a > DIY cartridge. > > Just 2 cts. > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am exploring getting a VPS similar to the 1GB option. >>> https://www.linode.com/pricing >>> >>> I have not selected a company or service at this time so this is simply >>> an example and one of my options. >>> >>> I have not used such a service before. >>> >>> >> I am using Linode and running Pharo and GemStone there (CentOS 7). So far >> no problem and Linode seem very very cool. >> >> >>> How suitable is Pharo currently for such an use case? >>> Will Pharo and its polling and constant minimum cpu usage be a problem? >>> >> >> It's not in my case. Linode does invoice for cpu cycles, you simply has >> CPU assigned and you do not care if it is 100% 24 hours a day or 10% used. >> Other services like amazon etc do care about CPU cycles (the price is based >> somehow on that I think), but not in Linode or other VPS-like. >> >> >>> >>> I am wanting to learn to use VPS/Cloud services. I am wanting to play >>> with a web server, wiki, blog. I want control of my tools and not the >>> standard LAMP setup that so commonly offered. >>> >> >> I am very happy with Linode. It supports many nice things like having >> multiple virtual images, clone them, backups, etc. >> For example, I have a Linode template VM that is "ready to run my app" >> and then I can clone such VM for each site (app instance) we deploy. >> We have a daily backup, weekly, monthly and one more free slot. >> >> >>> Any wisdom on Pharo in such an environment, pros and cons, greatly >>> appreciated. >>> >>> >> I think it depends on the type of app. For my case, I do not want to host >> myself anymore. So I would go for cloud based for sure. Then, you have the >> VPS like or the amazon-like. Both allow you to grow. I guess you may choose >> this depending on your type of app. In any case, you end up having a OS >> where you simply install Pharo and that's it. >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > >

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

by Dimitris Chloupis

thanks guys I can compromise for the time being with the user not going to the website , searching for doc and founding documentation for pharo 1.4 while the version he/she has is pharo 5 when we already have a book that is fairly up to date. Is there anyone responsible for the PBE website ? Can we make the change ? Also please use this thread to post your blog posts and own tutorials I could use for UPBE. I am in the process of reading the humaneassesment documentation but I welcome also others. Any form of tutorial or article is welcomed. On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 6:31 PM Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > Hi Dimitris, > > Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> writes: > > > First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation. > > > > Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE, we dont > > need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here > > I agree UPBE is important. I want to finish EnterprisePharo and the Mooc > first and then focus on UPBE. I want to get printed copies of it in book > stores as we did we the other books. This will take time, but with your > help and the help of the community, we will get there. > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill > >

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Thanks a lot Dimitris! It was really needed. Now I can point to updated documentation in my data week workshops here. Cheers, Offray On 15/10/15 08:47, Tudor Girba wrote: > +1! > > Doru > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu > <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > > Thank you for taking care of this update, this is a very important > community resource. > > > On 15 Oct 2015, at 14:42, Dimitris Chloupis > <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > First of all thanks to all the people helping with the > documentation. > > > > Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE , we > dont need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here > > > > > https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/UpdatedPharoByExample… > > > > Because UPBE at this moment is light years ahead of PBE. I just > added doc for Spotter, Dark Theme, and the new Nautilus icons. > > > > If any of you wants to fix something on UPBE and does not have > the confidence to do it directly , because you dont understand > Pillar or you dont feel confident yet with Pharo you can still > help me tremendously by adding your comment , your corrected text > or your addition documentation as github issue here and I will put > it in the book ASAP. > > > > > https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/UpdatedPharoByExample/issues > > > > I will be resolving at least one issue per week from now on to > make sure that UPBE is being pushed forward and remains by far the > most up to date documentation of Pharo anywhere in this universe. > But I cannot guarantee for other universes. > > > > So please help , even a tiny bit of help is great because we can > all make Pharo far easier for newcomers with much better > documentation and expand UPBE to every direction. > > > > All hail Pharo ! > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] Re: Data Kitchen: A data visualization project powered by Pharo. Feedback welcomed.

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

On 15/10/15 08:57, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Done! > I did my bit! > > Give your heart guys! It takes 2 minutes. > +1 (please share your love, only 2 minutes). BTW, I answered your comment. From yesterday to today the project went from almost 300 views to almost 500. Still away from views leaders, but nice to know this communities (Moose, Pharo, OKNF) can be so responsive. Cheers, Offray

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Data Kitchen: A data visualization project powered by Pharo. Feedback welcomed.

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi Serge, [...] On 15/10/15 02:43, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > I really like the idea of using Pharo/ROASSAL for data viz especially > in the context of southern countries (you talk about about Global > South in your document). Having a portable environment is definitively > a plus in the context of countries where the bandwidth is really limited. Yes. That is the case here. Even is cities like BogotÃ¡ (Colombia), connectivity can be a pain in the arse. Having p2p or pocket solutions that can work off-line and then sync and be ran from a usb thumdrive is a context sensitive case. As I said in the call, most of the data visualization solutions have complicated, web based, multilayered infrastructures, while Pharo is a medium that goes the other way around: light, understandable, self contained. Hopefully we will made a case for a more diverse data visualization ecosystem that explore the opposite of the current data trend (big data, web based tools). > My lab is working with developing countries (including south-america) > and we could exchange some private emails on how to sustain such a > project. I'm interested by such tool in the context of health and/or > crisis issues for example. Regards, I plan to show more examples, the first related with political activism and twitter, and the second one (at the end of the call) on medicine information published by government agencies. We have worked on Open and community innovation in health issues. A draft document (wrote entirely on grafoscopio) on this experience can be found, in Spanish, on [1]. There I talk about digital infrastructures that support open/community innovation in health and specifically on data narratives and visualization (and even talk about IPython and grafoscopio). [1] http://mutabit.com/repos.fossil/piamed/doc/tip/Libro/libro.pdf So yes, I'm pretty interested in such talk and I have a shared interest with health information. Lets continue in private. Just give me these 6 days until News Challenge call is over (any help sharing the link at [2] meanwhile and with feedback is really appreciated). [2] https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/data/evaluation/data-kitchen-fricti… Thanks, Offray

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and VPS

by Andres Fortier

As an alternative, Openshift has a free plan that includes 3 small gears (512RAM - 1GB storage IIRC). I've used to host different things (mostly RoR apps) but I think there should be no problem on hosting a Pharo app with a DIY cartridge. Just 2 cts. On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am exploring getting a VPS similar to the 1GB option. >> https://www.linode.com/pricing >> >> I have not selected a company or service at this time so this is simply >> an example and one of my options. >> >> I have not used such a service before. >> >> > I am using Linode and running Pharo and GemStone there (CentOS 7). So far > no problem and Linode seem very very cool. > > >> How suitable is Pharo currently for such an use case? >> Will Pharo and its polling and constant minimum cpu usage be a problem? >> > > It's not in my case. Linode does invoice for cpu cycles, you simply has > CPU assigned and you do not care if it is 100% 24 hours a day or 10% used. > Other services like amazon etc do care about CPU cycles (the price is based > somehow on that I think), but not in Linode or other VPS-like. > > >> >> I am wanting to learn to use VPS/Cloud services. I am wanting to play >> with a web server, wiki, blog. I want control of my tools and not the >> standard LAMP setup that so commonly offered. >> > > I am very happy with Linode. It supports many nice things like having > multiple virtual images, clone them, backups, etc. > For example, I have a Linode template VM that is "ready to run my app" and > then I can clone such VM for each site (app instance) we deploy. > We have a daily backup, weekly, monthly and one more free slot. > > >> Any wisdom on Pharo in such an environment, pros and cons, greatly >> appreciated. >> >> > I think it depends on the type of app. For my case, I do not want to host > myself anymore. So I would go for cloud based for sure. Then, you have the > VPS like or the amazon-like. Both allow you to grow. I guess you may choose > this depending on your type of app. In any case, you end up having a OS > where you simply install Pharo and that's it. > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and VPS

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:17 PM, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I am exploring getting a VPS similar to the 1GB option. > https://www.linode.com/pricing > > I have not selected a company or service at this time so this is simply an > example and one of my options. > > I have not used such a service before. > > I am using Linode and running Pharo and GemStone there (CentOS 7). So far no problem and Linode seem very very cool. > How suitable is Pharo currently for such an use case? > Will Pharo and its polling and constant minimum cpu usage be a problem? > It's not in my case. Linode does invoice for cpu cycles, you simply has CPU assigned and you do not care if it is 100% 24 hours a day or 10% used. Other services like amazon etc do care about CPU cycles (the price is based somehow on that I think), but not in Linode or other VPS-like. > > I am wanting to learn to use VPS/Cloud services. I am wanting to play with > a web server, wiki, blog. I want control of my tools and not the standard > LAMP setup that so commonly offered. > I am very happy with Linode. It supports many nice things like having multiple virtual images, clone them, backups, etc. For example, I have a Linode template VM that is "ready to run my app" and then I can clone such VM for each site (app instance) we deploy. We have a daily backup, weekly, monthly and one more free slot. > Any wisdom on Pharo in such an environment, pros and cons, greatly > appreciated. > > I think it depends on the type of app. For my case, I do not want to host myself anymore. So I would go for cloud based for sure. Then, you have the VPS like or the amazon-like. Both allow you to grow. I guess you may choose this depending on your type of app. In any case, you end up having a OS where you simply install Pharo and that's it. -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Updated Pharo By Example

by Damien Cassou

Hi Dimitris, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> writes: > First of all thanks to all the people helping with the documentation. > > Now I think its the time to replace the old PBE with UPBE, we dont > need to change the website just link to the newest pdf here I agree UPBE is important. I want to finish EnterprisePharo and the Mooc first and then focus on UPBE. I want to get printed copies of it in book stores as we did we the other books. This will take time, but with your help and the help of the community, we will get there. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." --Winston Churchill

Oct. 15, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and VPS

by Jimmie Houchin

Thanks. That is exactly what I wanted to know. Jimmie On 10/15/2015 10:22 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> On 15 Oct 2015, at 17:17, Jimmie Houchin <jlhouchin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I am exploring getting a VPS similar to the 1GB option. >> https://www.linode.com/pricing >> >> I have not selected a company or service at this time so this is simply an example and one of my options. >> >> I have not used such a service before. >> >> How suitable is Pharo currently for such an use case? > as far as you install all the 32bits libraries, you are ok :) > >> Will Pharo and its polling and constant minimum cpu usage be a problem? > no, I have similar services. > I have more problems with the obsession of MongoDB to take over my RAM than with Pharo (and I run 4 pharo boxes in 1gb memory) :) > > Esteban > >> I am wanting to learn to use VPS/Cloud services. I am wanting to play with a web server, wiki, blog. I want control of my tools and not the standard LAMP setup that so commonly offered. >> >> Any wisdom on Pharo in such an environment, pros and cons, greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jimmie >> >

Oct. 15, 2015