January 2015 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Manners on the list?

by kilon alios

Boys dont be fooled , this is Skynet. The End is Nigh! On the subject of manners, you look like a sensible being even for an AI, just be polite. And yes replying to messages is a way to be polite also its not about manners, generally sharing your experience with pharo can help benefit all of us or some of us. There is a reason that I am registered to this mailing list and is way more just to answer my questions about Pharo , it is about learning through the experience of others. I have 3 rules that I demand others including me to follow 1) respect others 2) have fun as much as you can handle 3) be stubborn never give up Now of you of go back to making your army of terminators and I'll be back. On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Laura Risani <laura.risani(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Alexandre, i was born human. One day i fell in love and my heart was > broken. Not having found a fix, i remain since then a heartless bot. > > 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com > > wrote: > >> Guysâ¦ >> I am convinced that Laura is not a real person, but simply a bot. >> >> Laura, prove me I am wrong, how much is 2 + 3 ? >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> > On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Laura Risani <laura.risani(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > Thank you all for your responses. They led me to a founded criteria on >> posting behavior, one about which i was quite unsure before. >> > >> > >> > @Stephan Eggermont >> > I will always provide feedback. And try my best to format it. >> > >> > @stepharo >> > >because this is a challenge to answer questions and a really good way >> to learn >> > Interesting point, i haven't thought about. >> > >> > @ben >> > >My favourite reference is Eric S Raymond's "How To Ask Smart >> Questions". http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. >> > I like people who doesn't consider the basic to be trivial. >> > >> > @Hilaire >> > >it is useful to write an answer to your problem on the mailing list: >> the problem you met was or will be a problem for other, so it is a nice, >> > simple and effective way to contribute. >> > Should one embrace the policy of each time one gets a question answered >> or a problem solved on the list, make a self answering post on Stack >> Overflow to render it readably available to others and also as a practical >> display of gratitude? If the question gets closed it won't be matter (or >> just a little) >> > >> > Best, >> > Laura >> > >> > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: >> > Le 17/01/2015 00:48, Laura Risani a Ã©crit : >> > > It doesn't kind of feel right saying nothing when someone gives me a >> > > rather lengthly answer, unless it was the tacit agreement. >> > > >> > > So i'm facing questions whether or not to make a post, because i'm not >> > > sure which are the right/usual manners for this particular mail-list >> > > form of communication. >> > > >> > >> > One can guess the right manner is the same manner you will use in real >> > life: if you get help from a problem, you just say thank you. >> > >> > In the other hand, if you find yourself the answer to your problem, it >> > is useful to write an answer to your problem on the mailing list: the >> > problem you met was or will be a problem for other, so it is a nice, >> > simple and effective way to contribute. >> > >> > Hilaire >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu >> > iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu >> > >> > >> > >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >

Jan. 19, 2015

Hubcap questions

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi all, My goal is to search the contents of the Description form field in SmalltalkHub. I don't know if matches the design and idea of Hubcap (really nice package BTW). I wonder if anyone (Torsten?) tried to download all package metadata first and perform off-line search? Someone posted time ago a list of all repositories, can you share how to do it? Cheers, HernÃ¡n

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Essays

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:42 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We have a couple of essays published at Smalltalk renaissance > <https://smalltalkrenaissance.wordpress.com/category/essays/> . *We need > more.* > > This is our opportunity to answer the questions, concerns, and criticisms > of > non-Smalltalk developers, an opportunity afforded by the SRP, which is > drawing much new attention to Smalltalk. We should exploit this > opportunity and not waste it. > > Suggested essay topics include: > > - talk about actual use of Smalltalk in the enterprise > Sorry, I've not programmed for an enterprise - expand on the much-touted productivity advantage of Smalltalk (many > people are skeptical) > Really hard to say without empirical data, otherwise it is just subjective and hearsay. > - explain how the experience of using the Smalltalk environment is > superior to that of Eclipse, IntelliJ, Visual Studio, etc. > Never really used them. > - talk about future developments in Smalltalk, eg, concurrency features, > new IDEs, new tooling, etc. > This is where good things are happening - but others are better placed. > - any other topics you may deem noteworthy > > So, please, contribute an essay. /Without you, there is no campaign./ > > Send all submissions to my personal email: horrido.hobbies at gmail dot > com. > > Thanks. > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] NBSQLite3 on OS X - Pharo 3

by Mircea S.

Thank you for the fast response. 1. You are right. OS X 10.9 Mavericks and 10.10 Yosemite come with libsqlite3.dylib built in as SQLite3 is used in Safari and a number of other places. This is the reason Pharo and NBSQLite3 never complained about a missing library to start with. 2. The default location for the myfile.db still eludes me somehow. You are again right about NBSQLite3Connection on: '/Volumes/MacHDD/Users/Shared/myfile.db'. actually creating the file if none is found, however just using NBSQLite3Connection on: 'myfile.db'. without a path leaves me dumbfounded as to where this file is created, searching for produces no results. Maybe it's created inside the image itself somewhere? Pe 19 ian. 2015, la 11:12, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> a scris: > Hi Mircea, > > - About the library: > You can either install the sqlite library close to the VM or, as mac is a unix, in /usr/lib. I have for example mine in here: > > /usr/lib/libsqlite3.dylib > > The VM loads the libraries dinamically, so putting the library in one of those locations should IIRC by default look at those places. > > - about the db file: > > do you already have a db file you want to open? > Usually the db file is next to the image again IIRC ^^. > > What you can actually try is opening an unexistent database, what will create a new file for you. That will give you an idea of where the database file should be placed. > > Hope that helps, > Guille > > > El Mon Jan 19 2015 at 9:54:56 AM, Mircea S. <mircea(a)unom.ro> escribiÃ³: >> Forgot to mention I want to use a relative path if at all possible. >> >> >> >> Pe 19 ian. 2015, la 00:46, Mircea S. <mircea(a)unom.ro> a scris: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I was looking into NBSQLite3 using the guide on smalltalkhub, pasted it below. >>> >>> 1. NBSQLite3 seems to be missing from "Tools" -> "Configuration Browser" so I had to use the Gopher script. >>> >>> 2. I can't seem to get the around to installing the sqlite engine on my mac. What is the default folder there? Do I need this? >>> >>> 2a. On the same page with the one above. What is the location where the db.sqlite file must be copied to? On the mac I can put it in the same folder (no go) or "show package contents" on Pharo itself to see the folders inside the package, tried Contents/Resources there but no dice. >>> >>> No matter what I try I get a NBSQLite3Error: unable to open database file form one of the reasons above. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Mir S. >>> >>> Installation >>> >>> You can access NBSQLite3 from the Pharo configuration browser. Just select "Tools" -> "Configuration Browser" from the world menu, enter "NBSQLite3" and install the stable version. >>> >>> Alternatively to install the packages manually into your Pharo image just evaluate: >>> >>> Gofer new url: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/NBSQLite3/main'; package: 'ConfigurationOfNBSQLite3'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNBSQLite3) project stableVersion) load. >>> If you need access to the SQLite3 database engine you need at a minimum the "NBSQLite3-Core" package which is loaded by the ConfigurationOfNBSQLite3 class. >>> >>> This package includes all necessary API to access the sqlite engine. >>> >>> Use in your own application >>> >>> Providing the library files >>> >>> To use the sqlite3 database engine in own Pharo projects you need to install the "sqlite3" database engine first. Basically it is only a shared library component that has to be found by the Pharo virtual machine. >>> >>> For instance on Windows operating system you can download the "sqlite3.dll" component from http://www.sqlite.org/ and copy it into the same directory where the Pharo VM (Pharo.exe) is. >>> >>> After loading NBSQLite3 as described before you can run the unit tests to see if anything is correctly setup and the virtual machine is able to find the sqlite3 engine. >>> >>> Use in your code >>> >>> Creating a connection >>> >>> The most important class to use for creating a database is the class NBSQLite3Connection. For instance the following expression: >>> >>> NBSQLite3Connection on: 'myfile.db'.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Manners on the list?

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Yes, I thought about joking. But see, having this kind of e-mails with tone of accusation and request for proof... sounds horrible. This is not a nice welcome for newbies. HernÃ¡n 2015-01-19 11:34 GMT-03:00 Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl>: > > AI has come a long way in the last few years ! :-) > > (Sorry, I could not resist â¦ ) > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 05:49, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Alex, we exchanged some e-mails last week, I claim is human based on > e-mail contents. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > 2015-01-18 21:18 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>: > >> Guysâ¦ >> I am convinced that Laura is not a real person, but simply a bot. >> >> Laura, prove me I am wrong, how much is 2 + 3 ? >> >> Alexandre >> >> > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Manners on the list?

by Laura Risani

Alexandre, i was born human. One day i fell in love and my heart was broken. Not having found a fix, i remain since then a heartless bot. 2 + 3 = 3 + 2 On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Guysâ¦ > I am convinced that Laura is not a real person, but simply a bot. > > Laura, prove me I am wrong, how much is 2 + 3 ? > > Alexandre > > > > On Jan 18, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Laura Risani <laura.risani(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Thank you all for your responses. They led me to a founded criteria on > posting behavior, one about which i was quite unsure before. > > > > > > @Stephan Eggermont > > I will always provide feedback. And try my best to format it. > > > > @stepharo > > >because this is a challenge to answer questions and a really good way > to learn > > Interesting point, i haven't thought about. > > > > @ben > > >My favourite reference is Eric S Raymond's "How To Ask Smart > Questions". http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html. > > I like people who doesn't consider the basic to be trivial. > > > > @Hilaire > > >it is useful to write an answer to your problem on the mailing list: > the problem you met was or will be a problem for other, so it is a nice, > > simple and effective way to contribute. > > Should one embrace the policy of each time one gets a question answered > or a problem solved on the list, make a self answering post on Stack > Overflow to render it readably available to others and also as a practical > display of gratitude? If the question gets closed it won't be matter (or > just a little) > > > > Best, > > Laura > > > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 8:01 AM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > > Le 17/01/2015 00:48, Laura Risani a Ã©crit : > > > It doesn't kind of feel right saying nothing when someone gives me a > > > rather lengthly answer, unless it was the tacit agreement. > > > > > > So i'm facing questions whether or not to make a post, because i'm not > > > sure which are the right/usual manners for this particular mail-list > > > form of communication. > > > > > > > One can guess the right manner is the same manner you will use in real > > life: if you get help from a problem, you just say thank you. > > > > In the other hand, if you find yourself the answer to your problem, it > > is useful to write an answer to your problem on the mailing list: the > > problem you met was or will be a problem for other, so it is a nice, > > simple and effective way to contribute. > > > > Hilaire > > > > -- > > Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu > > iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu > > > > > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Luc Fabresse

2015-01-19 17:48 GMT+01:00 jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de <jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de> : > > Maybe you can share some facts before you say things like "I achieved more > in a few weeks than ESUG achieved in years". I'd be curious to see what you > are talking about and I guess I am not alone. sure, I am curious too! Luc

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

I think this whole discussion is about te get completely out of control. Anyone who wants to help promote Smalltalk in the IT world is welcome - whether he or she has been in the Community for ages or came to it just the other day. Richard has been doing Smalltalk for quite a few years now, so we can assume he knows what he's talking about. All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody. Let the facts speak and let's convince people with facts and deeds. Richard, you make very strong claims about your achievements and plans. There is nothing wrong with having plans, and we even love to see results. Maybe you can share some facts before you say things like "I achieved more in a few weeks than ESUG achieved in years". I'd be curious to see what you are talking about and I guess I am not alone. It would be great if what you say is true. Because it would mean you achieved something that many people have tried over the years now. So: just stop mixing your fascination for WWII and your efforts to promote Smalltalk. I guess this will be very helpful in finding people who cooperate and contribute - far more than the direction of this discussion thread seems to point to. Joachim

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Johan Fabry

Hehe â¦ good joke. But seriously, I would like to know what I missed. > On Jan 19, 2015, at 17:33, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > What does the wife of a public relations expert do when she has insomnia? > > She rolls over and says, âTell me again, darling, just what is it that you do for a living?â > >> On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:14, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >> >> >> I must be old and jaded, or living like a recluse, because I donât recall anything special beyond an article in Medium, the link to it in ycombinator, and a couple of posts on wordpress . Could you help me out and point me the rest? TIA. >> >>> On Jan 19, 2015, at 16:56, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just the >>> past several weeks. The excitement is palpable. >> >> >> >> ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- >> >> Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry >> PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >> >> > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

What does the wife of a public relations expert do when she has insomnia? She rolls over and says, âTell me again, darling, just what is it that you do for a living?â > On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:14, Johan Fabry <jfabry(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: > > > I must be old and jaded, or living like a recluse, because I donât recall anything special beyond an article in Medium, the link to it in ycombinator, and a couple of posts on wordpress . Could you help me out and point me the rest? TIA. > >> On Jan 19, 2015, at 16:56, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just the >> past several weeks. The excitement is palpable. > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

Jan. 19, 2015