January 2015 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Hubcap questions

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

2015-01-19 15:07 GMT-03:00 Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl>: > HernÃ¡n wrote: > >My goal is to search the contents of the Description form field in > SmalltalkHub. > >I don't know if matches the design and idea of Hubcap (really nice > package BTW). > >I wonder if anyone (Torsten?) tried to download all package metadata > first and perform off-line search? > > What I did was take a look at mcx history and try to derive the latest > one, and then use the > Moose mczimporter to derive a list of signatures of (possibly) sent > messages. > The idea was to find out when packages change in a non-compatible way. > > Sorry Stephan, I wasn't clear enough. I want to search over SmalltalkHub projects metadata, not the Monticello metadata. When you click "Edit infos" in SmalltalkHub you see a web form with a "Description" field. That's the data I want to gather. I know it could be done with web scraping, the question is if someone tried to do it before. HernÃ¡n

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] [Moose-dev] [Pharo-dev] OpenStreetMap integration

by Alexandre Bergel

Yes, I agree. This is on our todo. Cheers, Alexandre > On Jan 19, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Hi Alex, > > I strongly believe that the concrete implementation that links Roassal to the data format should be moved to a separate package and ideally, to another configuration. > > The generic engine should be decoupled from concrete data sources. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > It should yes > > Roassal2 now depends on NeoJSON by the way. > > Alexandre > > > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > > Is this in the latest moose 5.1 build ? > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by jtuchel＠objektfabrik.de

Sven, I got Richardâs message about ESUG and I asked for facts. It seems you didn't read my full postâ¦ Joachim Von: Sven Van Caekenberghe Gesendet: âMontagâ, â19â. âJanuarâ â2015 â19â:â17 An: Any question about pharo is welcome > On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > > All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody. I am sorry, Joachim, but that is not true: he just said (ok, implicitly) that ESUG is worthless. And he said many more quite hurtful things by stating 'facts' or comparing (as equal or unequal) or rating different projects. Yes, since he wrote his first 'essay', it seems that he knows more or less what Smalltalk is, further than that I am sceptical.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk

by Alain Rastoul

Le 19/01/2015 13:34, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : > > We really need a âsmalltalk-talkâ mailing list. > > Marcus +1 other lists could be helpful pharo-vm : vm, vmmaker, compiler, plugins, whatever system level pharo-general : orientation of pharo, general open questions I don't think a chat is needed, self education and some mercy and comments on errors should do, people are overworked but not flaming would be nice ... because it burns ;) -- Regards, Alain

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by nacho

Great!! Great!! Kilon, Please let me help you, at least reading the drafts or whatever I can be usefull to. I'm eager to learn morphic!!! cheers Nacho ----- Nacho Smalltalker apprentice. Buenos Aires, Argentina. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/What-we-have-with-our-community-near-indestructible-t… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Ben Coman

On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 11:56 PM, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Consider all the positive publicity that I've drawn to Smalltalk in just > the > past several weeks. The excitement is palpable. > > Up until recently, Smalltalk has been all but forgotten in the IT community > at large. Do you need evidence? > > Consider that organizations such as the Smalltalk Foundation or ESUG have > not achieved even this much in 9 months, or several years! Just how quick > should progress be in your mind? > The thing is... by over-promoting yourself, you implicitly put down these groups, which consist of the very same people that are the leaders of this community. That is not very astute. You are not marketing yourself very well to the community you purport to represent. > > You have no conception of the amount of work I've put into the SRP. You > are quick to dismiss it all as, what, hot air? > > The other thing is... you don't see much other people on the list bemoaning that they've done so much. Constructively, I'd ask you to pay attention to this... http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#keepcool -ben P.S. Earlier I meant to provide you this link to the "Blub Paradox", you might like to refer to in your writings. http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Blitzkrieg!

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 19 Jan 2015, at 17:48, jtuchel(a)objektfabrik.de wrote: > > All that's been said so far is that some people do not like the use of some military terms, no matter where they come from and whether people know what these mean or not. We are not on a crusade, and this is not about conquering anything or anybody. I am sorry, Joachim, but that is not true: he just said (ok, implicitly) that ESUG is worthless. And he said many more quite hurtful things by stating 'facts' or comparing (as equal or unequal) or rating different projects. Yes, since he wrote his first 'essay', it seems that he knows more or less what Smalltalk is, further than that I am sceptical.

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] What we have with our community: near indestructible

by kilon alios

I am very happy with Pharo and of course I love it. I love Pharo because it is very good, and its very good because people have worked hard to improve it. New libraries, new bug fixes, new tools , even pharo is small its actually quite hard to follow its evolution because it surprisingly active. Another positive factor is that the community is really open to contributions and new ideas, it may sound like implied for an open source project but is not always the case. I feel sad at time because my lack of knowledge holds me back from contributing more, learning is hard because there is not tons of documentation like other languages so there a lot that one have to figure out by himself. But I dont mind the hard work , its fun. I have figured out sockets, regex, Spec and even played with the Dark theme this past year. Now I try to figure out petitparser and how to parse python types to pharo objects. I want to help newcomers to love pharo with updated documentation and new tools to simplify workflow. I contributed to the new Pharo By example by porting 5 chapters to Pharo 3 and also created almost 4 hours of Pharo video tutorials. I move slowly but I am moving :) My goal for 2015 is also to start documenting Morphic. Pharo is my fun hour ;) On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 8:03 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our > community. > > There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of individuals > dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say "love"?) it. > > That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding it and > making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the community pretty much > indestructible. > > We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, flexible, > nimble, ... I don't know. > > That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. > > I came on board with 1.3. > The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a great > piece of software. And things are accelerating. > > I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. But then > there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made to work". And it > is true as we have full control on the tool. > > Just wanted to share. > > Peace. > > Phil >

Jan. 19, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Hubcap questions

by Stephan Eggermont

HernÃ¡n wrote: >My goal is to search the contents of the Description form field in SmalltalkHub. >I don't know if matches the design and idea of Hubcap (really nice package BTW). >I wonder if anyone (Torsten?) tried to download all package metadata first and perform off-line search? What I did was take a look at mcx history and try to derive the latest one, and then use the Moose mczimporter to derive a list of signatures of (possibly) sent messages. The idea was to find out when packages change in a non-compatible way. >Someone posted time ago a list of all repositories, can you share how to do it? The code for that is in http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/StephanEggermont/DeprecationFinder/main The code is deliberately slowed down to not bring down smalltalkhub. Stephan

Jan. 19, 2015

What we have with our community: near indestructible

by phil＠highoctane.be

I was reflecting on the PR efforts and the scale and nature of our community. There is one single thing that is our core: we are a bunch of individuals dedicated to Pharo and we deeply like (should I say "love"?) it. That very fact that we are committed to investing in understanding it and making it better, and that, no matter what, makes the community pretty much indestructible. We do not care about fame, we care about something else. Solid, flexible, nimble, ... I don't know. That's a case of QWAN indeed. But Pharo has it. I came on board with 1.3. The progress has been massive. Pharo 4 is going to be a hell of a great piece of software. And things are accelerating. I am proud to be part of the community. I've my moments of doubt. But then there is an inner voice saying: "come on, it can be made to work". And it is true as we have full control on the tool. Just wanted to share. Peace. Phil

Jan. 19, 2015