January 2015 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Running Pharo headless

by olivier auverlot

Yes, don't forget no-quit My starting file for Seaside is: #!/bin/sh USER="www-data" VM="/usr/bin/pharo" VM_PARAMS="--mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" IMAGE="/opt/myApp/Pharo3.0.image" exec \ setuidgid "$USER" \ "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" \ --no-quit Olivier ;-) 2015-01-21 12:14 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > > On 21 Jan 2015, at 10:31, nacho <0800nacho(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > philippeback wrote > >> why running pharo with a squeakvm? > >> > >> I do it, in my Raspberry Pi :p and its slowwww > >> > >> > >> I am runnin headless with PharoVM here. > >> > >> Your vm params look like weird. > >> > >> I'll give you a copy of my CLI when I have access to my Pc. > >> > >> Phil > >> Le 21 janv. 2015 03:59, "sergio_101" < > > > >> sergio.rrd@ > > > >> > a Ã©crit : > >> > >>> #!/bin/bash > >>> > >>> # settings > >>> USER="badgesoup" > >>> VM="/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm" > >>> VM_PARAMS="-mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" > >>> IMAGE="/home/badgesoup/badgesoup_image/Pharo3.0.image" > >>> > >>> # start the vm > >>> exec \ > >>> setuidgid "$USER" \ > >>> "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" > >>> > >>> On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 9:32:04 PM Esteban A. Maringolo < > >>> > > > >> emaringolo@ > > > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> What is in the 'run' file? > >>>> > >>>> Esteban A. Maringolo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> 2015-01-20 23:26 GMT-03:00 sergio_101 < > > > >> sergio.rrd@ > > > >> >: > >>>>> i am ready to put my seaside app online, and am finding that all the > >>>>> information i am finding is outdated. > > where are you looking for such information? > > >>>>> > >>>>> I am running the latest Pharo (as of last night), and ubuntu14.04. > >>>>> > >>>>> when i try to run using squeakvm, i get: > >>>>> > >>>>> $ sudo ./run > >>>>> 'Your VM is too old for this image. Please download the latest VM.' > >>>>> 'Pharo cannot locate the sources file named > >>>>> /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/PharoV30.sources. > >>>>> > >>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the > >>>>> same directory as this image.' > >>>>> A PharoCommandLineHandler is xxxxxxxxx. > >>>>> > >>>>> everywhere i look, the information seems several years old.. > >>>>> > >>>>> ideas? thanks! > > you should not use it a squeak vm with pharo ;) > why would you do that? > > Esteban > > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Nacho > > Smalltalker apprentice. > > Buenos Aires, Argentina. > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Running-Pharo-headless-tp4800750p4800768.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > >

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Running Pharo headless

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 21 Jan 2015, at 10:31, nacho <0800nacho(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > philippeback wrote >> why running pharo with a squeakvm? >> >> I do it, in my Raspberry Pi :p and its slowwww >> >> >> I am runnin headless with PharoVM here. >> >> Your vm params look like weird. >> >> I'll give you a copy of my CLI when I have access to my Pc. >> >> Phil >> Le 21 janv. 2015 03:59, "sergio_101" < > >> sergio.rrd@ > >> > a Ã©crit : >> >>> #!/bin/bash >>> >>> # settings >>> USER="badgesoup" >>> VM="/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm" >>> VM_PARAMS="-mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" >>> IMAGE="/home/badgesoup/badgesoup_image/Pharo3.0.image" >>> >>> # start the vm >>> exec \ >>> setuidgid "$USER" \ >>> "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" >>> >>> On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 9:32:04 PM Esteban A. Maringolo < >>> > >> emaringolo@ > >>> wrote: >>> >>>> What is in the 'run' file? >>>> >>>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>>> >>>> >>>> 2015-01-20 23:26 GMT-03:00 sergio_101 < > >> sergio.rrd@ > >> >: >>>>> i am ready to put my seaside app online, and am finding that all the >>>>> information i am finding is outdated. where are you looking for such information? >>>>> >>>>> I am running the latest Pharo (as of last night), and ubuntu14.04. >>>>> >>>>> when i try to run using squeakvm, i get: >>>>> >>>>> $ sudo ./run >>>>> 'Your VM is too old for this image. Please download the latest VM.' >>>>> 'Pharo cannot locate the sources file named >>>>> /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/PharoV30.sources. >>>>> >>>>> Please check that the file is named properly and is in the >>>>> same directory as this image.' >>>>> A PharoCommandLineHandler is xxxxxxxxx. >>>>> >>>>> everywhere i look, the information seems several years old.. >>>>> >>>>> ideas? thanks! you should not use it a squeak vm with pharo ;) why would you do that? Esteban >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> > > > > > > ----- > Nacho > Smalltalker apprentice. > Buenos Aires, Argentina. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Running-Pharo-headless-tp4800750p4800768.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Running Pharo headless

by Esteban Lorenzano

> On 21 Jan 2015, at 11:01, ClÃ©ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2015-01-21 10:31 GMT+01:00 nacho <0800nacho(a)gmail.com <mailto:0800nacho@gmail.com>>: > philippeback wrote > > why running pharo with a squeakvm? > > > > I do it, in my Raspberry Pi :p and its slowwww > > Actually I think only the UI is slow on the Pi because on the squeak VM made by Tim he reimplemented differently BitBlt. AFAIK, in our builds JB included Timâs additions into raspbian (FastBlt changes). Real slowness is because morphic is slow (also BitBlt is not the fastest technology neither). > > Is it also slower in headless ? It shouldnât. wellâ¦ slowness is subjective, of course :) I think in headless mode its speed is âreasonableâ, but of course, it canât be compared to a regular machine. Esteban > > > > > > > I am runnin headless with PharoVM here. > > > > Your vm params look like weird. > > > > I'll give you a copy of my CLI when I have access to my Pc. > > > > Phil > > Le 21 janv. 2015 03:59, "sergio_101" < > > > sergio.rrd@ > > > > a Ã©crit : > > > >> #!/bin/bash > >> > >> # settings > >> USER="badgesoup" > >> VM="/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm" > >> VM_PARAMS="-mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" > >> IMAGE="/home/badgesoup/badgesoup_image/Pharo3.0.image" > >> > >> # start the vm > >> exec \ > >> setuidgid "$USER" \ > >> "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" > >> > >> On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 9:32:04 PM Esteban A. Maringolo < > >> > > > emaringolo@ > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> What is in the 'run' file? > >>> > >>> Esteban A. Maringolo > >>> > >>> > >>> 2015-01-20 23:26 GMT-03:00 sergio_101 < > > > sergio.rrd@ > > > >: > >>> > i am ready to put my seaside app online, and am finding that all the > >>> > information i am finding is outdated. > >>> > > >>> > I am running the latest Pharo (as of last night), and ubuntu14.04. > >>> > > >>> > when i try to run using squeakvm, i get: > >>> > > >>> > $ sudo ./run > >>> > 'Your VM is too old for this image. Please download the latest VM.' > >>> > 'Pharo cannot locate the sources file named > >>> > /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/PharoV30.sources. > >>> > > >>> > Please check that the file is named properly and is in the > >>> > same directory as this image.' > >>> > A PharoCommandLineHandler is xxxxxxxxx. > >>> > > >>> > everywhere i look, the information seems several years old.. > >>> > > >>> > ideas? thanks! > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > ----- > Nacho > Smalltalker apprentice. > Buenos Aires, Argentina. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Running-Pharo-headless-tp4800750p4800768.html <http://forum.world.st/Running-Pharo-headless-tp4800750p4800768.html> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com <http://nabble.com/>.

Jan. 21, 2015

Spec: how to add borders

by Mark Rizun

Hi, I want to have a border around, for example, two TextModel(s) and one ButtonModel. Is it possible to do just with Spec or I have to do it some other way? Best regards, Mark -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Spec-how-to-add-borders-tp4800778.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] New versions of the Pharo Launcher for Windows and MacOS

by Ben Coman

I had experienced the same thing. It was a bug that Nicolai fixed. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:53 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > thanks damien > I will now because my old version is taking 3 min to open. > > Le 20/1/15 14:58, Damien Cassou a Ã©crit : > > Hi everyone, >> >> I've just updated the Windows and MacOS packages of the Pharo Launcher. >> Please update: >> >> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher >> >> > >

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Running Pharo headless

by ClÃ©ment Bera

2015-01-21 10:31 GMT+01:00 nacho <0800nacho(a)gmail.com>: > philippeback wrote > > why running pharo with a squeakvm? > > > > I do it, in my Raspberry Pi :p and its slowwww > Actually I think only the UI is slow on the Pi because on the squeak VM made by Tim he reimplemented differently BitBlt. Is it also slower in headless ? It shouldn't. > > > > > > I am runnin headless with PharoVM here. > > > > Your vm params look like weird. > > > > I'll give you a copy of my CLI when I have access to my Pc. > > > > Phil > > Le 21 janv. 2015 03:59, "sergio_101" < > > > sergio.rrd@ > > > > a Ã©crit : > > > >> #!/bin/bash > >> > >> # settings > >> USER="badgesoup" > >> VM="/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm" > >> VM_PARAMS="-mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" > >> IMAGE="/home/badgesoup/badgesoup_image/Pharo3.0.image" > >> > >> # start the vm > >> exec \ > >> setuidgid "$USER" \ > >> "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" > >> > >> On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 9:32:04 PM Esteban A. Maringolo < > >> > > > emaringolo@ > > >> wrote: > >> > >>> What is in the 'run' file? > >>> > >>> Esteban A. Maringolo > >>> > >>> > >>> 2015-01-20 23:26 GMT-03:00 sergio_101 < > > > sergio.rrd@ > > > >: > >>> > i am ready to put my seaside app online, and am finding that all the > >>> > information i am finding is outdated. > >>> > > >>> > I am running the latest Pharo (as of last night), and ubuntu14.04. > >>> > > >>> > when i try to run using squeakvm, i get: > >>> > > >>> > $ sudo ./run > >>> > 'Your VM is too old for this image. Please download the latest VM.' > >>> > 'Pharo cannot locate the sources file named > >>> > /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/PharoV30.sources. > >>> > > >>> > Please check that the file is named properly and is in the > >>> > same directory as this image.' > >>> > A PharoCommandLineHandler is xxxxxxxxx. > >>> > > >>> > everywhere i look, the information seems several years old.. > >>> > > >>> > ideas? thanks! > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > > > > > > ----- > Nacho > Smalltalker apprentice. > Buenos Aires, Argentina. > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Running-Pharo-headless-tp4800750p4800768.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Running Pharo headless

by ClÃ©ment Bera

2015-01-21 9:29 GMT+01:00 Michal Balda <lists(a)michalbalda.cz>: > Hi all, > is there any difference between -vm-display-null and --no-display (and > using both)? > no-display is deprecated, whereas vm-display-null is not. It does the same but use vm-display-null or your script will stop working in the future. > > I used this command to successfully run a Seaside app on a headless Linux > server, with a standard Pharo VM (not the Squeak one from the repositories): > > ./pharo-vm/pharo \ > -vm-display-null \ > -vm-sound-null \ > --plugins ./pharo-vm \ > --encoding utf8 \ > ./image/Seaside.image \ > --no-quit > > Or, to run a script at startup to initialize the app/server: > > ./pharo-vm/pharo \ > -vm-display-null \ > -vm-sound-null \ > --plugins ./pharo-vm \ > --encoding utf8 \ > ./image/Seaside.image \ > st ./startServer.st \ > --no-quit > > Apart from running it under a limited user/group, it is also possible to > chroot it for an extra security measure. > > > Michal > > > > > On 21.1.2015 09:16, ClÃ©ment Bera wrote: > > Just a detail. When you run headless with the latest pharo-vm (that you > can download here: http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/ in your OS directory, > file stable.zip), add --no-quit after --no-display in the VM start-up > options. > > 2015-01-21 7:21 GMT+01:00 phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>: > >> why running pharo with a squeakvm? >> >> I am runnin headless with PharoVM here. >> >> Your vm params look like weird. >> >> I'll give you a copy of my CLI when I have access to my Pc. >> >> Phil >> Le 21 janv. 2015 03:59, "sergio_101" <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : >> >> #!/bin/bash >>> >>> # settings >>> USER="badgesoup" >>> VM="/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm" >>> VM_PARAMS="-mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" >>> IMAGE="/home/badgesoup/badgesoup_image/Pharo3.0.image" >>> >>> # start the vm >>> exec \ >>> setuidgid "$USER" \ >>> "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" >>> >>> On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 9:32:04 PM Esteban A. Maringolo < >>> emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> What is in the 'run' file? >>>> >>>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>>> >>>> >>>> 2015-01-20 23:26 GMT-03:00 sergio_101 <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com>: >>>> > i am ready to put my seaside app online, and am finding that all the >>>> > information i am finding is outdated. >>>> > >>>> > I am running the latest Pharo (as of last night), and ubuntu14.04. >>>> > >>>> > when i try to run using squeakvm, i get: >>>> > >>>> > $ sudo ./run >>>> > 'Your VM is too old for this image. Please download the latest VM.' >>>> > 'Pharo cannot locate the sources file named >>>> > /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/PharoV30.sources. >>>> > >>>> > Please check that the file is named properly and is in the >>>> > same directory as this image.' >>>> > A PharoCommandLineHandler is xxxxxxxxx. >>>> > >>>> > everywhere i look, the information seems several years old.. >>>> > >>>> > ideas? thanks! >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >>>> > >

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Running Pharo headless

by nacho

philippeback wrote > why running pharo with a squeakvm? > > I do it, in my Raspberry Pi :p and its slowwww > > > I am runnin headless with PharoVM here. > > Your vm params look like weird. > > I'll give you a copy of my CLI when I have access to my Pc. > > Phil > Le 21 janv. 2015 03:59, "sergio_101" < > sergio.rrd@ > > a Ã©crit : > >> #!/bin/bash >> >> # settings >> USER="badgesoup" >> VM="/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm" >> VM_PARAMS="-mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" >> IMAGE="/home/badgesoup/badgesoup_image/Pharo3.0.image" >> >> # start the vm >> exec \ >> setuidgid "$USER" \ >> "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" >> >> On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 9:32:04 PM Esteban A. Maringolo < >> > emaringolo@ >> wrote: >> >>> What is in the 'run' file? >>> >>> Esteban A. Maringolo >>> >>> >>> 2015-01-20 23:26 GMT-03:00 sergio_101 < > sergio.rrd@ > >: >>> > i am ready to put my seaside app online, and am finding that all the >>> > information i am finding is outdated. >>> > >>> > I am running the latest Pharo (as of last night), and ubuntu14.04. >>> > >>> > when i try to run using squeakvm, i get: >>> > >>> > $ sudo ./run >>> > 'Your VM is too old for this image. Please download the latest VM.' >>> > 'Pharo cannot locate the sources file named >>> > /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/PharoV30.sources. >>> > >>> > Please check that the file is named properly and is in the >>> > same directory as this image.' >>> > A PharoCommandLineHandler is xxxxxxxxx. >>> > >>> > everywhere i look, the information seems several years old.. >>> > >>> > ideas? thanks! >>> > >>> > >>> >>> ----- Nacho Smalltalker apprentice. Buenos Aires, Argentina. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Running-Pharo-headless-tp4800750p4800768.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and X11 primary selection (aka middle mouse button paste)

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi, there are several things at play here as far as I was able to find out. I was researching this issue when I was frustrated with pasting from Chrome and was able to figure at out at least a temporarily solution. Here's my original post http://forum.world.st/Re-Copy-past-doesn-t-work-sometimes-in-Chrome-semifix… I also opened an issue today, however I'm not familiar with VM so I cannot conclusively say what is correct. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14759/Linux-X11-VM-default-encoding-shoul… As far as middle mouse pasting goes there are two sides of it: 1. Does Pharo VM (C-side) support it? 2. Does Pharo (Smalltalk-side) support it? I believe the answer to the first one is yes, the code does make mentions of primary selection, however the code is quite complex for me (my investigation was pretty much trial & error)... https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/platforms/unix/vm-dis… However the answer to second one is probably not, at least I was not able to find any bindings between middle mouse button and pasting - but again, I'm not familiar with Pharo internals. I could open an issue for this also, however considering the code is quite old (years) and nobody fixed it yet, nobody seems to be really bothered by it. I for example prefer ctrl+c clipboard selection over middle mouse primary selection, but if you have the knowledge to fix this (which I don't have), then feel free. :) Peter

Jan. 21, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Running Pharo headless

by Michal Balda

Hi all, is there any difference between -vm-display-null and --no-display (and using both)? I used this command to successfully run a Seaside app on a headless Linux server, with a standard Pharo VM (not the Squeak one from the repositories): ./pharo-vm/pharo \ -vm-display-null \ -vm-sound-null \ --plugins ./pharo-vm \ --encoding utf8 \ ./image/Seaside.image \ --no-quit Or, to run a script at startup to initialize the app/server: ./pharo-vm/pharo \ -vm-display-null \ -vm-sound-null \ --plugins ./pharo-vm \ --encoding utf8 \ ./image/Seaside.image \ st ./startServer.st \ --no-quit Apart from running it under a limited user/group, it is also possible to chroot it for an extra security measure. Michal On 21.1.2015 09:16, ClÃ©ment Bera wrote: > Just a detail. When you run headless with the latest pharo-vm (that > you can download here: http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/ in your OS > directory, file stable.zip), add --no-quit after --no-display in the > VM start-up options. > > 2015-01-21 7:21 GMT+01:00 phil(a)highoctane.be > <mailto:phil@highoctane.be> <phil(a)highoctane.be > <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>>: > > why running pharo with a squeakvm? > > I am runnin headless with PharoVM here. > > Your vm params look like weird. > > I'll give you a copy of my CLI when I have access to my Pc. > > Phil > > Le 21 janv. 2015 03:59, "sergio_101" <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com > <mailto:sergio.rrd@gmail.com>> a Ã©crit : > > #!/bin/bash > > # settings > USER="badgesoup" > VM="/usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/squeakvm" > VM_PARAMS="-mmap 256m -vm-sound-null -vm-display-null" > IMAGE="/home/badgesoup/badgesoup_image/Pharo3.0.image" > > # start the vm > exec \ > setuidgid "$USER" \ > "$VM" $VM_PARAMS "$IMAGE" > > On Tue Jan 20 2015 at 9:32:04 PM Esteban A. Maringolo > <emaringolo(a)gmail.com <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>> wrote: > > What is in the 'run' file? > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2015-01-20 23:26 GMT-03:00 sergio_101 > <sergio.rrd(a)gmail.com <mailto:sergio.rrd@gmail.com>>: > > i am ready to put my seaside app online, and am finding > that all the > > information i am finding is outdated. > > > > I am running the latest Pharo (as of last night), and > ubuntu14.04. > > > > when i try to run using squeakvm, i get: > > > > $ sudo ./run > > 'Your VM is too old for this image. Please download the > latest VM.' > > 'Pharo cannot locate the sources file named > > /usr/lib/squeak/4.10.2-2614/PharoV30.sources. > > > > Please check that the file is named properly and is in the > > same directory as this image.' > > A PharoCommandLineHandler is xxxxxxxxx. > > > > everywhere i look, the information seems several years old.. > > > > ideas? thanks! > > > > > >

Jan. 21, 2015