January 2015 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

The SRP Has Moved

by horrido

By now, every Smalltalker and his dog have heard about the Smalltalk Renaissance Program. So it is no longer necessary to stay in the Pharo forum. I have moved all future SRP-related discussions to the /English/ forum at forum.world.st. I ask everyone who is even remotely interested in the campaign to join the English forum (aka Smalltalk Research <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-research> ). I remind everyone that the SRP is about you and your community. Without you, there is no campaign. Please participate. Thank you. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/The-SRP-Has-Moved-tp4801141.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 23, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] The Smalltalk Report issue

by Marcus Denker

We have them in the ESUG archive: http://esug.org/data/HistoricalDocuments/TheSmalltalkReport/ <http://esug.org/data/HistoricalDocuments/TheSmalltalkReport/> but this is only till 1996. > On 22 Jan 2015, at 23:02, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > currently uploading ST issues at > http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/TheSmalltalkReport/ > grab them when they will be available :) > We should put them on torrents > > Stef > > Le 22/1/15 00:52, Rafael Luque a Ã©crit : >> Hi Pharoers, >> >> I'm looking for The Smalltalk Report volume 6 issue 4 (1997) because I'd like to read the first article mentioning refactoring by Kent Beck: "Make it run, Make it right: Desing through Refactoring" published in this number. >> >> I've found the following archive from 1991 to 1996: http://www.macqueen.us/stIndex.html >> >> Anyone know where can I found this old issue or at least the article? >> >> Thank you. > >

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

by offray＠riseup.net

Hi, On 2015-01-22 16:27, horrido wrote: > Offray wrote >> I think that SRP has a "flaw" of showing itself as some kind of way to >> save Smalltalk of its unpopular destiny, not being on top 10 of TIOBE >> or >> being a niche platform, but for me that's not a cruel destiny and if >> it >> were that's not the best way to fight against it, but by building >> stuff >> that more people can use. Talking by making instead of talking by >> talking. We can start with some small community and spread from there >> (interactive documentation is my approach). > > This is the popular "if you build it, they will come" philosophy. It > /may/ > work, but I seriously doubt it. > No. I don't believe in the build -> come assumption. Is more like non-popular but meaninful in the context I care about by the transformations it empowers on that context and with the potential to go beyond that context. Think small, but interconnected. >> So may be the best way of SRP to serve Smalltalk could be to not be so >> "self-serving" about its own goals (popularity, jvm, javascript, >> enterprise, TIOBE) and show the diversity of views and concerns of the >> Smalltalk community. To be a place for diversity in Smalltalk (may be >> a >> curator of dispersed experiences elsewhere). > > I don't understand what you mean by "self-serving". The SRP does not > serve > itself â it serves *you*, the Smalltalk community. It's sole purpose is > to > promote your language, to raise it in the public consciousness, to get > people to try it. There is no other agenda. > > Of course, whether or not you /want/ this attention is a different > question. > I mean self-serving in the sense that is about making Smalltalk popular, advocating for enterprise, jvm or javascript, which are goals traced by the project itself. I don't think that they're not important (at least for some in the community), but I think that they don't reflect the various concerns and potentials that can help to Smalltalk as a broader community. Trying to listen the community __before__ tracing the goals for SRP is my main message here. A more "etnographer" approach instead of the "saleman" one, if I can make the analogy. Cheers, Offray

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Glorp on Pharo 4

by Craig

Sven, It took a bit, but I figured it out. If you try to login with a login that has previously been used, then you get this DNU message. I was following your "reddit-st-in-10-cool-pharo-classes" and it happened when I ran the first test. This was the second time that the DefaultLogin was used (it was lazily initialised by the create tables call). When I nill-ed out the DefaultLogin the tests all passed. Craig -----Original Message----- From: Pharo-users [mailto:pharo-users-bounces@lists.pharo.org] On Behalf Of Sven Van Caekenberghe Sent: 22 January 2015 10:19 AM To: Any question about pharo is welcome Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Glorp on Pharo 4 A comma is indeed a (binary) message. It concatenates two Collections, like Strings. Please provide more details on how you try to connect and what error you get, exactly. > On 22 Jan 2015, at 08:26, Craig <craig(a)hivemind.net> wrote: > > From: Sven Van Caekenberghe > Sent: 22 January 2015 08:37 AM > >> What exactly do you mean ? >> >> Reading the link above that seems to be correct, at first glance, >> maybe I > don't see it. > > Sven, > > Forgive me, I'm new to Pharo, but I'm sure that in Pharo you don't use > commas to separate parameters in a message. I don't know of any > syntactical significance of the comma. > I saw this after I got the ", does not understand connectionArgs" > message when trying to connect to my Postgres database. I take this > to mean that Pharo tried to send the connectionArgs message to the ',' > ByteString. > > Craig > >

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] The Smalltalk Report issue

by stepharo

currently uploading ST issues at http://sdmeta.gforge.inria.fr/TheSmalltalkReport/ grab them when they will be available :) We should put them on torrents Stef Le 22/1/15 00:52, Rafael Luque a Ã©crit : > Hi Pharoers, > > I'm looking for The Smalltalk Report volume 6 issue 4 (1997) because > I'd like to read the first article mentioning refactoring by Kent > Beck: "Make it run, Make it right: Desing through Refactoring" > published in this number. > > I've found the following archive from 1991 to 1996: > http://www.macqueen.us/stIndex.html > > Anyone know where can I found this old issue or at least the article? > > Thank you.

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] The Smalltalk Report issue

by stepharo

Hi Raphael bring a USB at PharoDays and bother me and you will get all the Smalltalk Report pdfs :) > Hi Pharoers, > > I'm looking for The Smalltalk Report volume 6 issue 4 (1997) because > I'd like to read the first article mentioning refactoring by Kent > Beck: "Make it run, Make it right: Desing through Refactoring" > published in this number. > > I've found the following archive from 1991 to 1996: > http://www.macqueen.us/stIndex.html > > Anyone know where can I found this old issue or at least the article? > > Thank you.

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

by horrido

Offray wrote > I think that SRP has a "flaw" of showing itself as some kind of way to > save Smalltalk of its unpopular destiny, not being on top 10 of TIOBE or > being a niche platform, but for me that's not a cruel destiny and if it > were that's not the best way to fight against it, but by building stuff > that more people can use. Talking by making instead of talking by > talking. We can start with some small community and spread from there > (interactive documentation is my approach). This is the popular "if you build it, they will come" philosophy. It /may/ work, but I seriously doubt it. > So may be the best way of SRP to serve Smalltalk could be to not be so > "self-serving" about its own goals (popularity, jvm, javascript, > enterprise, TIOBE) and show the diversity of views and concerns of the > Smalltalk community. To be a place for diversity in Smalltalk (may be a > curator of dispersed experiences elsewhere). I don't understand what you mean by "self-serving". The SRP does not serve itself â it serves *you*, the Smalltalk community. It's sole purpose is to promote your language, to raise it in the public consciousness, to get people to try it. There is no other agenda. Of course, whether or not you /want/ this attention is a different question. > I hope it helps, > > Offray -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Mea-Culpa-tp4800840p4801113.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

by stepharo

We changed a lot between 20 and 30 and still mariano migrated all its development in one afternoon. So changing does not mean breaking systematically api. Stef

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Mea Culpa

by horrido

In fact, I did look for previous attempts to "market" Smalltalk. I found nothing. All previous attempts to popularize Smalltalk have been grassroots, ie, using word of mouth; giving talks and seminars at conferences and local user groups; a scattered (and somewhat chaotic) collection of blogs and websites. Nothing that /focuses/ attention. A personal note: it was word of mouth that got me hooked on Smalltalk. A close friend of mine from Cherniak Software persuaded me to look into Smalltalk. If not for him, I'd *still* think Smalltalk was a dying language today. blake wrote >>>Without the ability to address the largest number of Smalltalkers, the SRP > cannot make any progress.<< > > Did you do any research on this before embarking? You may not be the first > person who has attempted what you're trying. > â > Often when I'm trying to accomplish something that hasn't previously been > attempted or, if attempted, not attained, I find that I've misunderstood > where the difficulty lies. In very few cases is it merely a matter of > determination. > > Looking at others' failures can be instructive. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Mea-Culpa-tp4800840p4801107.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 22, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by stepharo

Le 22/1/15 21:56, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas a Ã©crit : > Hi Stef, > > Do you have the Pillar file for this one? I would like to see how do > you deal with image positioning. It is made with omnigraffle. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > El 22/01/15 a las 15:36, stepharo escribiÃ³: >> One on Voyage :) > > >

Jan. 22, 2015