January 2015 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

by stepharo

Le 24/1/15 22:46, Sebastian Sastre a Ã©crit : > >> On Jan 24, 2015, at 4:22 AM, vfclists . <vfclists(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:vfclists@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into Pharo >> itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in the same >> environment. Is it like that already? > > Offering /an easy install in one shot/ would be really nice but if you > do a compulsive preinstall youâll alienate the ones that use pharo as > headless servers that want to stay lean. oh yes :) > > > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Nautilus plugin with new menu entries

by stepharo

I will add on my todo to have a look at the way you added menus. I think that the changes I did in Pharo 40 should work in 30. In fact some plugin swere broken. I think that we should probably remove some of them. Stef Le 19/1/15 04:52, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : > Attached a screenshot with menu changes. > > If anyone has an idea to implement I could give a try. > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > 2015-01-18 14:51 GMT-03:00 HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com <mailto:hernan.morales@gmail.com>>: > > Hi Stef, > > The plugin can work in Pharo 4 with a minimal modification (one > line of code). Please feel free to include/change it if you like > the features. > > No, I didn't see your enhacements because I use Pharo 3. > I wish I could have more time. > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > 2015-01-18 8:13 GMT-03:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>>: > > Hi hernan > > did you see that I cleaned, fixed and documented the plugins > in Pharo 40? > > Sef > > Le 18/1/15 06:32, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand a Ã©crit : > > Hi, > If you are using Pharo 3 you may install a Nautilus plugin > I did which implements the following menu item features: > > - Jump to the superclass of the currently selected class. > - Explore all the instances of the currently selected class. > - Send #release and #initialize to the currently selected > class > - Send (#perform:) the selected unary method to a new > instance of the currently selected class. > > To install evaluate: > > Gofer it > smalltalkhubUser: 'hernan' project: 'HernanPlugins'; > package: 'HernanPlugins'; > load. > > Repository: > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~hernan/HernanPlugins > <http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7Ehernan/HernanPlugins> > <http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7Ehernan/HernanPlugins> > > Cheers, > > HernÃ¡n > > > > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] improving print-it in playground

by stepharo

can you send a screen shot? Le 20/1/15 05:17, Brian Krent a Ã©crit : > A two-column UI similar to the Swift playground may be useful. > Everything would be printed in parallel in a separate column. (The > aforementioned output may be partially visually obscured by half a > dozen means for output "typically" considered irrelevant â for > example, perhaps a disclosure triangle for excessive lines.) And if > one did a Do It on a selection in the "print" column, it would echo > (copy) the selection over in the "workspace" column and show the > printed action in the "print" column accordingly. There are many, many > ways to implement all the details for smooth workflow behavior. > > On Jan 19, 2015, at 1:33 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com > <mailto:tudor@tudorgirba.com>> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I worked with Andrei to find a solution for improving the print-it >> support. You can take a look here: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/improving-print-it-support-in-gtplayg… >> >> The current solution can be found in the latest Pharo image. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow"

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec, Morphic, lists, multiple selection and drag&drop

by Nicolai Hess

Hi Piotr 2015-01-24 20:24 GMT+01:00 Piotr Klibert <piotr.klibert(a)10clouds.com>: > Haha, ok, that's not exactly the answer I was hoping for, but well, I > can't say it was a complete surprise ;-) > > I'll try grokking drag&drop implementation in Pharo next week and > doing something with it. In my app I'm going to have one very long > list as a source and a few other lists as destinations. To make it > worthwhile I need to have support for dragging all items a current > The problem is, dragging stars after the mouse click on the list items changes the selection. That means, selecting all items and after that click on one item to start dragging, this item will be unselected. You can select all but one item and then click AND drag the last item. > selection and additionally a way to make selection non-continuous, > essentially what most list widgets do with Ctrl+click. > This should work (justed test this with a ListModel with multiselection enabled) > > Any help appreciated! > > > Best regards, > Piotr Klibert > > > 2015-01-24 19:52 GMT+01:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > > > Le 24/1/15 18:27, Piotr Klibert a Ã©crit : > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> working towards my app I encountered another problem. It's about drag > >> and drop support for lists in Spec and underlying Morphs. > >> > >> While multiple selection is well supported in PluggableListMorph, > >> reading #startDrag: and #startDragExtended: led me to believe that > >> there is no support for dragging a bunch of list elements at once. > > > > > > The drag and drop support sucks. I'm sorry about it. But this is a > reality. > > > >> It > >> looks like drag is always initialized for the element that was clicked > >> (dragIndex := self rowAtLocation: evt position.) and I see no easy > >> extension point for changing this to support dragging all selected > >> items instead. > >> > >> Am I missing some methods or classes that would let me do this, or is > >> this indeed not possible right now? How would I go about implementing > >> it? > >> > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Piotr Klibert > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

by Sebastian Sastre

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 4:22 AM, vfclists . <vfclists(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into Pharo itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in the same environment. Is it like that already? Offering an easy install in one shot would be really nice but if you do a compulsive preinstall youâll alienate the ones that use pharo as headless servers that want to stay lean.

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] "Improper store into indexable object" and weird variable names

by stepharo

Davide consider that Pharo 20 is around 2 years old and we massively improved the system since then. And that it can take you one afternoon probably to migrate to 3.0 (which is also one year old). Stef

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and X11 primary selection (aka middle mouse button paste)

by stepharo

Hi pieter > Hi, > > Thanks very much - "--textenc UTF-8" works for us! > > For the sake of others with the same issue reading this in the archives, I > just want to be pedantic and point out that I doubt "--textenc UTF-8" is > some magic panacea that will work for all systems. Obviously. Pieter do you really think that we are satisfied with the situation? No certainly not. Now do you imagine the huge todo we have? If your team is using Pharo then it may be good to think that this is also your system and you can help you and us. > The issue seems to be that the encoding Pharo uses should match that of > the surrounding system, which, for us, happens to be UTF-8 but could be > different for others. Indeed. > I was a bit sloppy when I spoke of "middle button paste". I don't mean > that the Pharo's paste command should be bound to the middle mouse button. > I meant that Pharo should be able to paste the type of X11 selection > (primary selection) that some other apps like terminals traditionally > paste when you press the middle button. We started to add SDL and we should do a large pass on the events in the future. But time is scarced > > And that is still not implemented: I need to explicitly press "Copy" in > Chrome before it is pasted to Pharo, just highlighting the text does not > work. > >> Hi, >> >> try setting the encoding of pharo to unicode when launching from command >> line and see if that fixes your problem: >> --textenc UTF-8 >> >> The default encoding is not unicode which messes pasting from some >> applications (e.g. Google Chrome 35+). >> As far as middle mouse button pasting goes I do not believe Pharo supports >> it - at least I haven't found any code related to it (although I would >> love >> to have this functionality). >> >> Peter >> >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Pieter Nagel <pieter(a)nagel.co.za> wrote: >> >>> Our team is very frustrated with figuring out how copy & paste is >>> supposed >>> to work in Pharo 3 under X11. >>> >>> Maybe there's something we misunderstand, or can configure? >>> >>> We can't copy and paste text directly from other X11 apps into Pharo. We >>> need to first paste the text into text editors like GEdit or XEmacs, and >>> then we can copy and paste the text from there into Pharo. >>> >>> I think this has something to do with X11's complicated model of primary >>> vs. clipboard selection. The primary selection is typically created by >>> just highlighting some text, and then (by common convention) can be >>> pasted >>> from by just pressing the middle mouse button. The clipboard selection >>> is >>> typically created by explicitly using Copy or Cut commands. >>> >>> Strange thing is, if we start with text in (for example) Google Chrome, >>> then neither type of selection can be pasted into Pharo. If we start >>> with >>> text in (for example) GEdit, then both types of selection can be pasted >>> into Pharo. >>> >>> We're using Unity under Ubuntu 12.04, if that makes a difference. >>> >>> Advice? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> > > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and X11 primary selection (aka middle mouse button paste)

by stepharo

Please add an issue. We are concerned about shortcut management. But the VM sometimes does not provide the correct information :( We hope that the SDL layer will help us simplifying this problem. > Hi, > > there are several things at play here as far as I was able to find out. > > I was researching this issue when I was frustrated with pasting from > Chrome and was able to figure at out at least a temporarily solution. > Here's my original post > http://forum.world.st/Re-Copy-past-doesn-t-work-sometimes-in-Chrome-semifix… > I also opened an issue today, however I'm not familiar with VM so I > cannot conclusively say what is correct. > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14759/Linux-X11-VM-default-encoding-shoul… > > > As far as middle mouse pasting goes there are two sides of it: > 1. Does Pharo VM (C-side) support it? > 2. Does Pharo (Smalltalk-side) support it? > > I believe the answer to the first one is yes, the code does make > mentions of primary selection, however the code is quite complex for > me (my investigation was pretty much trial & error)... > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/platforms/unix/vm-dis… > > However the answer to second one is probably not, at least I was not > able to find any bindings between middle mouse button and pasting - > but again, I'm not familiar with Pharo internals. > I could open an issue for this also, however considering the code is > quite old (years) and nobody fixed it yet, nobody seems to be really > bothered by it. I for example prefer ctrl+c clipboard selection over > middle mouse primary selection, but if you have the knowledge to fix > this (which I don't have), then feel free. :) > > Peter

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

by stepharo

Le 24/1/15 09:02, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > Not currently, but it would be good - perhaps being able to add > scripts into Pillar that run to generate pictures, etc. yes Stefan Eggermont started but someone should make it works for real. Stef > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:22 PM, vfclists . <vfclists(a)gmail.com > <mailto:vfclists@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On 23 January 2015 at 16:23, Daniel Lyons <fusion(a)storytotell.org > <mailto:fusion@storytotell.org>> wrote: > > > Ben Coman writes: > > 3) a book - Currently we have only half of this. We have > a very good > > book in PBE, but it is outdated several years. Early > adopters and existing > > Pharo users can work around this, but for potential incoming > masses, an up > > to date book is a critical aspect. There is current > activity to update PBE > > for Pharo 4 (and now I realise I should help with it more, > Thanks for > > clarifying my thinking on this.) > > I'm happy to offer my services as an editor, proof-reader and > writer. > It's a lot easier to get English text out of me than code. :) > > If anybody needs or wants me to fix their text, just point me > to it. > > -- > Daniel Lyons > > > > It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into > Pharo itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in > the same environment. Is it like that already? > > -- > Frank Church > > ======================= > http://devblog.brahmancreations.com > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

by stepharo

> > > > It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into Pharo > itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in the same > environment. Is it like that already? > Pharo by Example is not written in Pillar. We are porting it. What would be good is to help us supporting the automatic run of the code snippets as Oscar did in Pharo by Example. Stef

Jan. 24, 2015