September 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] GUI construction under Pharo

by phil＠highoctane.be

There has been attempts to do that and Spec (htttp://spec.st) provides a declarative model. The spec (check implementors of defaultSpec for a couple samples) is basically what a GUI builder would produce and use to deifne the UI. As far as I know, VisualWorks uses such a spec approach as well. http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/main/documentation/VisualWorks/GUIDevGuide.p… (search for windowSpec in the text) Frankly, for a moderately complex UI, you need to understand what's going on and I think a GUI builder isn't going to offer any benefit vs development time. The best thing I've seen is Matisse in Netbeans but it wasn't really useful for an app we wrote in Java/Swing with a lot of weird controls and interdependent fields. This is especially true when one has dynamic layouts to do. And that's why a webbrowser has a lot of advantages these days (Maybe not to write CAD software but it will come). HTH Phil On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Ichiseki <is076(a)outlook.com> wrote: > Hi > For what I've read and study Smalltalk was great a RAD, it was infact used > a > lot in financial services for that reason. > Now I see that most commercial versions of Smalltalk have a GUI builder, > but > non of the open source. > Wouldn't have a GUI building tool be a priority? > Perhaps this is already done? > best > > Ichirt) > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/GUI-construction-under-Pharo-tp4775654.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > >

Sept. 1, 2014

GUI construction under Pharo

by Ichiseki

Hi For what I've read and study Smalltalk was great a RAD, it was infact used a lot in financial services for that reason. Now I see that most commercial versions of Smalltalk have a GUI builder, but non of the open source. Wouldn't have a GUI building tool be a priority? Perhaps this is already done? best Ichiro -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GUI-construction-under-Pharo-tp4775654.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] HelloPharo - webapp deployment tool

by phil＠highoctane.be

I've got a VM for CentOS which works ok. Frankly, I'd package the VM with the app, it is much easier. Now educating myself on RPMs and yum. But Ansible is fine now :-) Maybe you can come over one day and we can hack this together (I've beer in the fridge!) Phil â

Sept. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] HelloPharo - webapp deployment tool

by FranÃ§ois Stephany

There are still some rough edges but I'm glad you find it useful. We can maybe work together to make the default recipe working on both Ubuntu and CentOS? If I remember well, you told me that there are no public RPM available for Pharo. Is this something that we should do? Or should we package the VM with the app? So if we install many apps on one server, we can use different VM for each app... On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:21 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > FranÃ§ois, > > Thanks for providing this. > > I am setting this up for my own environment (CentOS) and it is very useful > to have your sample. > > I'll have to -m yum a bit but definitely a super starting point. > > Phil > > > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:42 PM, FranÃ§ois Stephany < > tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Just sent it to the Seaside ML, thanks for mentioning it ;) >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:13 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 14/8/14 13:02, FranÃ§ois Stephany wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> At Ta MÃ¨re, we are used to deploy Ruby/Rails application with Heroku or >>>> on VPS with Capistrano. Almost everybody uses the same tools and techniques >>>> in the Rails community so deployment is quite easy once you grasp the >>>> process. >>>> >>>> The same process was quite frustrating with Pharo. To solve that, we've >>>> built HelloPharo. It is a tool to deploy small apps to a Linux VPS/VM. >>>> >>> >>> Excellent! >>> I love infrastructure. >>> Keep pushing that. >>> Did you announce it on the seaside mailing-list >>> >>> >>>> It is heavily inspired by Capistrano, it prones convention over >>>> configuration and it wants to be full stack (e.g., serve the assets, >>>> restart the processes). It is built with Ansible. >>>> >>>> We haven't released a fixed version yet but the tool starts to be in a >>>> good-enough shape to be shown. We want to grab some feedback and fix the >>>> most obvious limitations (see the README for more) before releasing version >>>> 0.1.0. >>>> >>>> If you or your company uses a well defined process to deploy pharo >>>> webapps, we are all ears. We think that having a canonical way to deploy >>>> simple apps is a must if we want to see wider Pharo adoption for small web >>>> companies. This process *must* be Unix friendly if we want to attract >>>> Python or Ruby people. Most of them are Devops anyway, the command line is >>>> their friend, NOT something they want to avoid. >>>> >>>> Pull requests (for code or instructions in the README) are more than >>>> welcome. The code and the documentation are MIT licensed. >>>> >>>> https://github.com/fstephany/hello-pharo/ >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Francois >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >

Sept. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] HelloPharo - webapp deployment tool

by phil＠highoctane.be

FranÃ§ois, Thanks for providing this. I am setting this up for my own environment (CentOS) and it is very useful to have your sample. I'll have to -m yum a bit but definitely a super starting point. Phil On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:42 PM, FranÃ§ois Stephany < tulipe.moutarde(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Just sent it to the Seaside ML, thanks for mentioning it ;) > > > On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:13 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > >> >> On 14/8/14 13:02, FranÃ§ois Stephany wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> At Ta MÃ¨re, we are used to deploy Ruby/Rails application with Heroku or >>> on VPS with Capistrano. Almost everybody uses the same tools and techniques >>> in the Rails community so deployment is quite easy once you grasp the >>> process. >>> >>> The same process was quite frustrating with Pharo. To solve that, we've >>> built HelloPharo. It is a tool to deploy small apps to a Linux VPS/VM. >>> >> >> Excellent! >> I love infrastructure. >> Keep pushing that. >> Did you announce it on the seaside mailing-list >> >> >>> It is heavily inspired by Capistrano, it prones convention over >>> configuration and it wants to be full stack (e.g., serve the assets, >>> restart the processes). It is built with Ansible. >>> >>> We haven't released a fixed version yet but the tool starts to be in a >>> good-enough shape to be shown. We want to grab some feedback and fix the >>> most obvious limitations (see the README for more) before releasing version >>> 0.1.0. >>> >>> If you or your company uses a well defined process to deploy pharo >>> webapps, we are all ears. We think that having a canonical way to deploy >>> simple apps is a must if we want to see wider Pharo adoption for small web >>> companies. This process *must* be Unix friendly if we want to attract >>> Python or Ruby people. Most of them are Devops anyway, the command line is >>> their friend, NOT something they want to avoid. >>> >>> Pull requests (for code or instructions in the README) are more than >>> welcome. The code and the documentation are MIT licensed. >>> >>> https://github.com/fstephany/hello-pharo/ >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Francois >>> >> >> >> >

Sept. 1, 2014