September 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by Hilaire

Hello, I guess the gettext package on the seaside repo depends on the gettext package at PharoExtra and it adds some glue code for Seaside use. Is it correct? Le 13/09/2014 12:43, Johan Brichau a Ã©crit : > > On 13 Sep 2014, at 10:09, stepharo > <stepharo(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > >> Then what is the seaside-Getext? Is is a superset of pharoExtras-gettext? > > https://code.google.com/p/seaside/wiki/Gettext > > In short: itâs a Seaside extension to internationalise your web app. > >> For application not doing web, does it make sense to use it? > > No, but I donât see how you guys complain about that. The package is in > the Seaside repo and in the ConfigurationOfSeaside3. > Can you explain the issue? > >> Is it packaged separately? > > yes. > > Johan -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by Hilaire

Le 13/09/2014 09:57, Johan Brichau a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > The Seaside-Gettext package is in the Seaside repository > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Seaside/Seaside30Addons > <http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#%21/%7ESeaside/Seaside30Addons> > The package in the PharoExtras repository is a relic. You mean the Seaside-Gettext-Slime right? Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Helvetica for Pharo 3/4

by Udo Schneider

Hi Doru, thanks for the answer. I'll try to integrate it "manually" then. I have to admit (having done this in Dolphin before) that integrating non-ST code into the debugger gives me a real nightmare. Compared to integrating it into the browsers which is not as hard. Maybe now with the new infrastructure in Pharo in will be a lot easier. CU, Udo On 13.09.14 12:35, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi Udo, > > Not yet, but the good news is that both the ability to customize both > the compiler and the debugger are now a reality which means that > Helvetia should be much easier to implement. > > This should definitely be a topic of high interest. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Udo Schneider > <udo.schneider-1KM8gpPNTmzSOrrRgtP2Kg(a)public.gmane.org > <mailto:udo.schneider-1KM8gpPNTmzSOrrRgtP2Kg@public.gmane.org>> wrote: > > All, > > Is there something similar to Helvetica > (http://scg.unibe.ch/research/__helvetia > <http://scg.unibe.ch/research/helvetia>) for Pharo 3/4? I'd like to > integrate non-ST code into the environment and reuse the existing > toolset. > > Thanks, > > Udo > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow"

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by Johan Brichau

On 13 Sep 2014, at 10:09, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > Then what is the seaside-Getext? Is is a superset of pharoExtras-gettext? https://code.google.com/p/seaside/wiki/Gettext In short: itâs a Seaside extension to internationalise your web app. > For application not doing web, does it make sense to use it? No, but I donât see how you guys complain about that. The package is in the Seaside repo and in the ConfigurationOfSeaside3. Can you explain the issue? > Is it packaged separately? yes. Johan

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Helvetica for Pharo 3/4

by Tudor Girba

Hi Udo, Not yet, but the good news is that both the ability to customize both the compiler and the debugger are now a reality which means that Helvetia should be much easier to implement. This should definitely be a topic of high interest. Cheers, Doru On Sat, Sep 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Udo Schneider < udo.schneider(a)homeaddress.de> wrote: > All, > > Is there something similar to Helvetica (http://scg.unibe.ch/research/ > helvetia) for Pharo 3/4? I'd like to integrate non-ST code into the > environment and reuse the existing toolset. > > Thanks, > > Udo > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Sept. 13, 2014

Helvetica for Pharo 3/4

by Udo Schneider

All, Is there something similar to Helvetica (http://scg.unibe.ch/research/helvetia) for Pharo 3/4? I'd like to integrate non-ST code into the environment and reuse the existing toolset. Thanks, Udo

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by stepharo

> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/book/LanguageAndLibraries/Localisation/Prep… > Thanks I turned it into a chapter Stef

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by stepharo

Hi johan usman and other I would like to get a clearer picture. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/13655/System-Localization-and-Gettext-hav… We could change the name of in the PharoExtras package gettext so that we do not have conflicts with the in-image mechanisms. I'm skeptical about all these translated messages everywhere. What people do for the applications? Then what is the seaside-Getext? Is is a superset of pharoExtras-gettext? For application not doing web, does it make sense to use it? Is it packaged separately? Stef

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Gettext with pharo 3 and seaside 3.1.2

by Johan Brichau

Hi, The Seaside-Gettext package is in the Seaside repository http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Seaside/Seaside30Addons The package in the PharoExtras repository is a relic. The ConfigurationOfSeaside3 correctly references the Seaside-Gettext package and itâs absolutely functional (using this in production systems). What is a bit silly is that the ConfigurationOfSeaside3 relies on people chosing the appropriate groups to load and the Pharo configuration browser always loads the default transparantly. I will probably update that for Seaside 3.2.0, so that the default loads everything for newcomers, but for the current version some load configurations might rely on it and thatâs the way it is. Johan On 08 Sep 2014, at 11:16, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > What is the purpose of the seaside-gettext package ? > Is it a relic or is it useful? Gettext is orthogonal to Seaside. > > Hilaire > > Le 07/09/2014 15:32, Peter Schorsch a Ã©crit : >> But then I had to realize that the seaside-gettext package was not >> installed; and also no gettext package. I found a gettext package in >> the repositoryhttp://smalltalkhub.com/mc/PharoExtras/Gettext. >> >> I installed the package ConfigurationOfGettext, but the >> configuraitonof-browser does not show it. So I installed the package >> Gettext via monticello. > > > -- > Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu > >

Sept. 13, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Moose browsers: Updating an object value **explicitly** from a text pane

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Hi, I have tried a new strategy. I hope this time get some questions or some pointers about what to do when a thread gets frozen, like this one. For details on how to load the project on a vanilla Moose beta 5.0 image follow the instructions at: http://wiki.hackbo.co/doku.php/herramientas:grafoscopio:en:install and then run "UbakyeBrowser open". I have divided the code and now the browser it is composed with tree main parts: The first one builds the browser: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UbakyeBrowser>>buildBrowser "... Snipped code ..." (browser transmit) to: #tree; andShow: [:a | self treeOn: a]. (browser transmit) to: #body; from: #tree; andShow: [ :a | self bodyOn: a]. "... Snipped code ..." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The second one builds the tree. The specific part which sends a constant message for changing the body contents is this: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UbakyeBrowser>> TreeOn: constructor "... Snipped code ..." act: [:treePresentation | (treePresentation selection isNotNil) ifTrue: [treePresentation selection body: 'Cambiado!']. treePresentation update] icon: GLMUIThemeExtraIcons glamorousRefresh entitled: 'Update body'; "... Snipped code ..." =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- And the third one just shows the body from the tree node like this: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- UbakyeBrowser>> bodyOn: constructor "Shows the body of a selected node" (constructor text) title: 'Cuerpo | Body '; format:[:eachNode | (eachNode body) isNil ifTrue: [ '' ] ifFalse: [ eachNode body]]. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- So as you can see, the message I'm sending to update the node body, explicitly by pressing a button, is a constant one (treePresentation selection body: 'Cambiado!'), while I would like to send anything that is contained in the text pane of the current node. I still don't get how to do it with transmissions and I imagine that is related with something like toOutsidePort or some message like that, but I still don't get it. Any help will be appreciated or is anything I can do to move this forward, let me know. Cheers, Offray On 09/07/2014 09:56 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: > Hi again, > > I have opted for another option: Manually updating objects from text > panes. I have a method for showing the content of a node body: > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > bodyOn: constructor > "Shows the body of a selected node" > (constructor text) > title: 'Cuerpo | Body '; > format:[:eachNode | > (eachNode body) isNil > ifTrue: [ '' ] > ifFalse: [ eachNode body]]; > act: [:text | text inspect ] > icon: GLMUIThemeExtraIcons glamorousRefresh > entitled: 'Save body'. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > At this moment I have only "text inspect" as an action for the text > pane, but when I inspect it, I can see in the "Pane Ports" tab that any > text wrote there gets updated up to the moment of clicking in the > button. What I would like is to send the updated text as an argument for > the "body:" setter of the UbakyeNode object. I have seen in the PBE2 > chapter about Glamorous that I can used ports to send values to the > outside, but still I don't get how. > > Remember that you can upload the code by following the instructions here: > > http://wiki.hackbo.co/doku.php/herramientas:grafoscopio:en:install > > Any advice on this is appreciated. > > Thanks in advance, > > Offray > > On 09/05/2014 10:58 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas wrote: >> Hi Doru an community, >> >> In almost a week from now I will write an small revision article about >> this prototyping exercise on Moose/Glamour/Pharo, for structured >> writing. My ideal would be to write it inside this prototype, but for >> that I need to be able to edit and store the changes on the tree and its >> node contents. Hopefully it won't take too much, even for a newbie like >> me. Even if is not possible, and I need to go back to Leo Editor >> (http://leoeditor.com/) for reporting and writing the article, this >> exercise has been really valuable. >> >> This are my issues so far: >> >> Auto-updating objects from the browser is working but I'm having >> problems to integrate this with my code. To follow better what is >> happening just: >> >> 1. Follow the installation notes on: >> http://wiki.hackbo.co/doku.php/herramientas:grafoscopio:en:install >> >> 2. Run this code: >> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> | text mainTree | >> mainTree := UbakyeNode new. >> mainTree becomeDefaultTree. >> text := (mainTree children at: 1) body. >> GLMCompositePresentation new wrapper >> with: [ :wrapper | >> wrapper show: [ :a | >> a text ]. >> wrapper transmit >> fromOutsidePort: #text; >> toOutsidePort: #portIDoNotCareAbout; >> transformed: [ :textComingFromThePresentation | >> text := textComingFromThePresentation ] ]; >> openOn: text. >> (mainTree children at: 1) body: text >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> >> If I comment the last line, I can explore the Browser Tree and see how >> #text updates automatically, but if I leave it uncommented I can explore >> the mainTree and see that is not updating. >> >> Also I tried to put the transmit parameters in the build browser >> transmit parameter, just here: >> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> UbakyeBrowser>>buildBrowser >> >> "(... snipped code)" >> (browser transmit) >> to: #body; >> from: #tree; >> andShow: [ :a | self bodyOn: a]. >> "(...snipped code)" >> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >> >> replacing "to:", "from:" and "andShow:" for "fromOutsidePort:", >> "toOutsidePort:" and "transformed:" as shown in your example, but then >> the current selection in the tree got disconnected from the body pane. >> >> I would mind to have a explicit button or keyboard shortcut to take what >> is currently on a text pane and send it all to a particular node for >> updating, if this is the quickest workaround. So, How can I made this? >> >> Also, Doru showed to me a way to invoke inspector on the current >> selected node. Suppose that I want to have an emergent window to edit >> the node header and some tags on it. Is this possible? >> >> >> Cheers and thanks in advance, >> >> Offray >> >> On 09/03/2014 04:27 AM, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> As I said before, right now, Glamour does not easily the behavior you >>> want, but >>> you can abuse an existing mechanism of capturing changes of a port >>> through a >>> transmission that transforms that value. >>> >>> Here is an example: >>> >>> text := ''. >>> GLMCompositePresentation new wrapper >>> with: [ :wrapper | >>> wrapper show: [ :a | >>> a text ]. >>> wrapper transmit fromOutsidePort: #text; toOutsidePort: >>> #portIDoNotCareAbout; >>> transformed: [ :textComingFromThePresentation | text := >>> textComingFromThePresentation ] ]; >>> openOn: text >>> >>> In this example, we create a transmission that originates in the #text >>> port that >>> will be populated every time you modify something. This transmission >>> sends the >>> value to #portIDoNotCareAbout only to have access to the >>> transformation block >>> where you can do what you want with the textComingFromThePresentation. >>> >>> To check the behavior: >>> - execute the code in a Playground, >>> - type something in the text area that opens, >>> - inspect the text variable >>> ==> you will see that it contains the latest contents from the text >>> editor >>> >>> We should promote this mechanism explicitly in Glamour, but in the >>> meantime it >>> is probably sufficient for your case. >>> >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas >>> <offray(a)riseup.net >>> <mailto:offray@riseup.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm trying to restate my question to see if I have more luck with >>> any answer >>> this time. >>> >>> I'm making advances with an outliner like app for writing and now >>> I can add >>> nodes move them and store them in the really nice STON format. >>> But because >>> information on trees is not editable, I would like to try another >>> approach: >>> To create an emergent window and put the node tree and node tags >>> on it, and >>> the update the this values on the tree node. >>> Also, I would like to update some objects from the a Glamour text >>> pane, >>> without any special button or action, just while I'm writing on >>> them. If >>> this is not possible which is the message to select all text in a >>> body panel >>> and to send it to a object? >>> >>> I will be doing some further advances by my own and keep you >>> posted (may be >>> with some more specific/better questions on how to get this >>> behaviour from >>> Moose browsers). >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Offray >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >> >> >> > > >

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