September 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] How can I help make installing Pharo easier (on Debian Wheezy)?

by Sloane Simmons

>http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz I'll give this another look; I had tried this and I think this was mostly working, but think I ran into some problems when using the latest image/sources with the old VM. (May have just been that I set things up properly, or was using an old image as well). I'll give it another go for bootstrapping. >https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 Was not aware of this; I'll also try this. >http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/ Upgrading glibc would really be a last resort (for me); I'd probably just upgrade my distro to unstable if doing this, but I *know* things will break. >4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: I've never tried Nix but I could give that package a shot as well. Thanks for all of the responses! I'm still just working by through the Pharo by Example book, so for now I'm just focused on learning Smalltalk, but I'll use one of the methods above, and try to put together a package for Debian. Someone else may want to be the maintainer(?), but I'll do my best in getting it submitted, assuming that I can get it working on my machine first, of course ;). Regards, Sloane On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 8:16 AM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Like this > > http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/ > > --- > Philippe Back > Visible Performance Improvements > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 > Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu > Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback > Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium > > Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ > Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - > http://spamcast.libsyn.com > Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value > Added Reseller > > > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works >> > (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or >> > statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so >> > that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit >> > version... ;) >> >> You have a few solutions solutions: >> >> 1/ try this >> http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz >> 2/ try the .deb file for Ubuntu that is closest to your distribution: >> https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/unstable/+packages >> 3/ create a .deb file yourself using the deb generator scripts I >> wrote: >> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 >> (as soon as it is compiled, it will work fine on 64 bits >> architectures) >> 4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: >> http://nixos.org/nix/manual/. Nix can very easily be installed on any >> Unix system including Debian and Mac OSX >> >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> >> >

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Recursive #printOn: renders the image unusable

by Johan Fabry

Hi all, for what itâs worth, I actually would prefer Object>>name to be removed. It does not make sense to me to be defined at that level, and whenever I define an Object subclass with a name instvar and accessors, I am surprised (luckily no longer worried) when I see that I am overriding name. On Sep 15, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Today I made the mistake (twice) of developing in the debugger a > #printOn: method depending on a not yet defined #name method in the > same class. > > The result is an image completely blocked out, with an infinite > recursion trying to print receiver > > The culprit is Object>>#name, which by default... is the receiver > printString (bypassing the #printStringLimitedTo:... version)! > > So if you implement #printOn: depending on #name, but you didn't > implement #name differently to how Object does, you created yourself > an infinite recursion. > > Now I found why it is happening, so I will explicitly define #name > prior to any #printOn: implementation. Particularly if I'm inside the > debugger which will try to print the offending class or any variable > affected by this bug. > > However I have a few questions about this: > > a) Shouldn't a recursion too deep be detected? > b) Why can't I interrupt a process running in the UI thread like this one? > > Regards. > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > The call stack: > > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>printOn: > DTColumnParameter>>printOn: > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo: in Block: [ :s | self > printOn: s ] > String class(SequenceableCollection class)>>streamContents:limitedTo: > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo: > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>printString > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>name <<---- Here we go... > DTColumnParameter>>printOn: > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo: in Block: [ :s | self > printOn: s ] > String class(SequenceableCollection class)>>streamContents:limitedTo: > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>printStringLimitedTo: > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>printString > DTColumnParameter(Object)>>name > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable & Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

by Thierry Goubier

For infinitely zoomable interface, an old body of work and research on the possibilities is Pad++ [http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/pad++/] . Parcplace did some stuff too. Squeak seemed to have something at one point. Thierry 2014-09-16 15:09 GMT+02:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > On Sep 16, 2014, at 7:59 AM, "S Krish [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email] > <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4778347&i=0>> wrote: > > I am sure it will be lot more involved beyond a point to make everything > contained zoomable, text editor: text / image , other compositions , > layouts being honored properly.. > Yes I assume that text is where things would get complicated > > > I am not aware of Self zoom.. need to check on it. > Self doesn't zoom, but it scrolls infinitely. > Cheers, > Sean > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Zoomable & Infinitely scrollable > PasteupMorph > <http://forum.world.st/Zoomable-Infinitely-scrollable-PasteupMorph-tp4778229…> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com. >

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Easy I18N for Pharo

by Hilaire

Le 16/09/2014 09:50, Johan Brichau a Ã©crit : > So why not write a similar docu for GetText including code snippets and all the knowledge that >> seems to be there already from using it... Already done since a couple of years in the collaboractive book. -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istao.drgeo.eu

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How can I help make installing Pharo easier (on Debian Wheezy)?

by phil＠highoctane.be

Like this http://philippeback.be/2014/02/pharovm-now-running-on-debian-wheezy/ --- Philippe Back Visible Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works > > (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or > > statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so > > that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit > > version... ;) > > You have a few solutions solutions: > > 1/ try this > http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz > 2/ try the .deb file for Ubuntu that is closest to your distribution: > https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/unstable/+packages > 3/ create a .deb file yourself using the deb generator scripts I > wrote: > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 > (as soon as it is compiled, it will work fine on 64 bits > architectures) > 4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: > http://nixos.org/nix/manual/. Nix can very easily be installed on any > Unix system including Debian and Mac OSX > > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > > >

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable & Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

by Sean P. DeNigris

On Sep 16, 2014, at 7:59 AM, "S Krish [via Smalltalk]" <ml-node+s1294792n4778316h84(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > I am sure it will be lot more involved beyond a point to make everything contained zoomable, text editor: text / image , other compositions , layouts being honored properly.. Yes I assume that text is where things would get complicated > I am not aware of Self zoom.. need to check on it. Self doesn't zoom, but it scrolls infinitely. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Zoomable-Infinitely-scrollable-PasteupMorph-tp4778229… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How can I help make installing Pharo easier (on Debian Wheezy)?

by Damien Cassou

On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 9:51 PM, Sloane Simmons <sloanes.k(a)gmail.com> wrote: > For learning Smalltalk, running in a virtualbox VM absolutely works > (for me), but I'd like to try and compile for Debian stable (or > statically link glibc(?)) and then add to the official repositories so > that it's easier to install. Bonus points would be making a 64-bit > version... ;) You have a few solutions solutions: 1/ try this http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/linux/old-libc/pharovm-ubuntu804.tar.gz 2/ try the .deb file for Ubuntu that is closest to your distribution: https://launchpad.net/~pharo/+archive/unstable/+packages 3/ create a .deb file yourself using the deb generator scripts I wrote: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-ubuntu/tree/master/pharo-vm-core-i386 (as soon as it is compiled, it will work fine on 64 bits architectures) 4/ use the nix package manager that already has a package for Pharo: http://nixos.org/nix/manual/. Nix can very easily be installed on any Unix system including Debian and Mac OSX -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable & Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

by S Krish

Interesting thought from a CAD drawing world, one does this all the time.. Basic morph level zooms as a contained sub morphs to some extent could be possible as proof of concept. I am sure it will be lot more involved beyond a point to make everything contained zoomable, text editor: text / image , other compositions , layouts being honored properly.. I am not aware of Self zoom.. need to check on it. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:54 PM, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <[hidden email] > <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4778292&i=0>> wrote: > > Can you describe a bit more what you need? In Roassal, you do not have > submorph, but do you really need them? > Yes, I want to create a Self-like world that is also zoomable, so you > could say the whole purpose is to have submorphs ;) > Cheers, > Sean > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Zoomable & Infinitely scrollable > PasteupMorph > <http://forum.world.st/Zoomable-Infinitely-scrollable-PasteupMorph-tp4778229…> > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com. >

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Zoomable & Infinitely scrollable PasteupMorph

by Sean P. DeNigris

On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:54 PM, "abergel [via Smalltalk]" <ml-node+s1294792n4778237h35(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Can you describe a bit more what you need? In Roassal, you do not have submorph, but do you really need them? Yes, I want to create a Self-like world that is also zoomable, so you could say the whole purpose is to have submorphs ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Zoomable-Infinitely-scrollable-PasteupMorph-tp4778229… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 16, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Easy I18N for Pharo

by Johan Brichau

On 15 Sep 2014, at 23:18, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > I just refer to my original announcement: "Need an EASY translation > framework for your Pharo application with NO EXTERNAL dependency?â Hi Torsten, Agree with you 100% and thatâs also how I understood your announcement of i18n. > so let the users decide what > he wants to use. exactly > 1. Why is "GetText" not easily loadable from the config browser? If we > want people to find and use it we should make it accessible. The ConfigurationOfGettext exists but I donât have access to the metarepo. > 2. When you google for "Pharo" and "GetText" you will find > https://code.google.com/p/seaside/wiki/Gettext as the first match. > > The page is outdated, points to the old repository on SqueakSource > http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoNonCorePackages/ and even that > page does not include a hint that meanwhile the package moved to STHub. Point taken. I will move the page to the Seaside book. > 3. Also the new hosting on the STHub page http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~PharoExtras/Gettext > seems broken, it includes the following comment: > > "Migrated from PharoNonCorePackages. Should be adapted to Pharo2.0" > > Outdated comment or not usable in Pharo 3.0/4.0? Outdated comment. I updated it. > 4. The last version there is Gettext-HilaireFernandes.33, that is the one that is > also included in Dr. Geo. The code should be updated as > > a) it includes a reference to missing class "MethodReference" in > #appendVocabulary:domains: > b) the NaturalLanguageTranslator>>cleanUp method references a class variable that is not there > > Any takers? Allright, as I have been mostly using the Seaside extension to it, this are parts I have not used. Ok, will take a look at them since Iâm working in this area concerning the gemstone port as well. > 5. Writing a simple docu for I18N on STHub took me only a few minutes using markdown and > https://stackedit.io. (Pillar and PillarHub provide the same, but STHub does not support it). > > So why not write a similar docu for GetText including code snippets and all the knowledge that > seems to be there already from using it... Ha, a bit optimistic thereâ¦ I donât write a page of text in a couple of minutes, but I know what you mean ;) cheers Johan

Sept. 16, 2014