September 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

by Luc Fabresse

Hi all, I do not remember all the details but most of SqueakNOS has been written in Smalltalk! even some drivers ;-) http://squeaknos.blogspot.ch/ Cheers, #Luc 2014-09-19 21:41 GMT+02:00 kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com>: > I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers > > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> > wrote: > >> Yes, that's something I would have loved to have, a single language to >> program everything, right from the drivers to user interface and >> applications. >> >> SqueakNOS looks very interesting, but still is way behind a combination >> of Linux kernel + X + Pharo in terms of hardware support and maturity. >> >> Also, in case you didn't know, there was an effort made to run Squeak >> directly on bare metal (Mitsubishi M32R/D) which worked like a charm, but >> has been suppressed for unknown reasons. >> >> ~Mayuresh >> >> >> >> On 2014-09-20 01:00, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> >>> The idea is to build a minimalist Linux based system which would boot up >>>> straight into a full-screen Pharo environment. >>>> >>> >>> Why use a Linux underneath when you can do it in Smalltalk ;) >>> >>> Look at SqueakNOS - an operating system that was/still is able to >>> boot from disk right into Squeak: >>> >>> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1762 >>> >>> Accessing devices/writing drivers in Smalltalk, etc. >>> >>> Would like to know if it's some how possible to control external >>>> programs from within Pharo, essentially shell scripts for network setup, >>>> etc. >>>> >>> >>> Check out the "OSProcess" package in Pharo. >>> >>> Bye >>> T. >>> >> >> >

Sept. 19, 2014

Ubuntu Font License : Compatibility with Pharo License?

by Mayuresh Kathe

Would the Ubuntu Font License at; http://font.ubuntu.com/licence/ be considered compatible with the Pharo license? If it is not _compatible_ would the usage of Ubuntu fonts still be acceptable/permissible within Pharo? Thanks, ~Mayuresh

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Theme : Choices : Good, but ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

Nice theme! I am referring to a more deeper treatment than the theme/skin approach. I would prefer to give more thought to every element, it's existence in a particular manner, fonts and their weights, etc. ~Mayuresh On 2014-09-20 00:40, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Try the DawnTheme. > > https://github.com/sebastianconcept/Pharo3DawnTheme [3] > > I've got my own little tweaks of it here:Â > > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~philippeback/HOExtras/packages/Pharo3DawnTh… > [4] > > Looks like Sublime. It is based on the Dark Theme.Â > > Â > Phil > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> > wrote: > >> It's been close to 6 hours that I've been playing with the defaults >> offered with Pharo 3. >> >> Everything works so much more smoothly than Squeak! It also feels >> great. >> What's kind of problematic (as I see it) is the "look". >> >> There are 3 themes that I got with the default image; >> Pharo 3, Vistary and Watery. >> >> Look good, but somehow give off the feel of having more style than >> substance. >> >> I remember using something called Java Swing long back. >> It too had a plethora of themes, but the one that was the most >> detailed, and well designed (as in how well it worked), was >> something called "Java Steel". >> >> Please see the images at; >> > http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/figures/uiswing/lookandfeel/OceanLAF… >> [1] >> https://today.java.net/images/2004/02/laf_fig2.gif [2] >> >> If there could be some way to have that look and feel, while >> adhering to the Java LaF Guidelines for the same, we might have a >> Pharo system which would be not only neater looking, but also >> lighter weight (by virtue of fewer extravagant graphical >> properties). >> >> Hope this suggestion isn't preposterous. :) >> >> ~Mayuresh > > > > Links: > ------ > [1] > http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/figures/uiswing/lookandfeel/OceanLAF… > [2] https://today.java.net/images/2004/02/laf_fig2.gif > [3] https://github.com/sebastianconcept/Pharo3DawnTheme > [4] > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~philippeback/HOExtras/packages/Pharo3DawnTh…

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

by kilon alios

I seriously doubt that SqueakNOS uses smalltalk to program the drivers On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:36 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > Yes, that's something I would have loved to have, a single language to > program everything, right from the drivers to user interface and > applications. > > SqueakNOS looks very interesting, but still is way behind a combination of > Linux kernel + X + Pharo in terms of hardware support and maturity. > > Also, in case you didn't know, there was an effort made to run Squeak > directly on bare metal (Mitsubishi M32R/D) which worked like a charm, but > has been suppressed for unknown reasons. > > ~Mayuresh > > > > On 2014-09-20 01:00, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > >> The idea is to build a minimalist Linux based system which would boot up >>> straight into a full-screen Pharo environment. >>> >> >> Why use a Linux underneath when you can do it in Smalltalk ;) >> >> Look at SqueakNOS - an operating system that was/still is able to >> boot from disk right into Squeak: >> >> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1762 >> >> Accessing devices/writing drivers in Smalltalk, etc. >> >> Would like to know if it's some how possible to control external >>> programs from within Pharo, essentially shell scripts for network setup, >>> etc. >>> >> >> Check out the "OSProcess" package in Pharo. >> >> Bye >> T. >> > >

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Theme : Choices : Good, but ...

by Mayuresh Kathe

On 2014-09-20 01:05, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> If there could be some way to have that look and feel, while adhering >> to >> the Java LaF Guidelines for the same, we might have a Pharo system >> which >> would be not only neater looking, but also lighter weight (by virtue >> of >> fewer extravagant graphical properties). > > No one wants to look like Swing... > > Also people would then think we do static typing ;) :-D I would agree with you on that, but, I meant to suggest taking a look at the attention to detail with Java Swing Steel theme. After all, design isn't just about how it looks, design is more about how it works (Steve Jobs). ;-) ~Mayuresh

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

by Mayuresh Kathe

Yes, that's something I would have loved to have, a single language to program everything, right from the drivers to user interface and applications. SqueakNOS looks very interesting, but still is way behind a combination of Linux kernel + X + Pharo in terms of hardware support and maturity. Also, in case you didn't know, there was an effort made to run Squeak directly on bare metal (Mitsubishi M32R/D) which worked like a charm, but has been suppressed for unknown reasons. ~Mayuresh On 2014-09-20 01:00, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> The idea is to build a minimalist Linux based system which would boot >> up >> straight into a full-screen Pharo environment. > > Why use a Linux underneath when you can do it in Smalltalk ;) > > Look at SqueakNOS - an operating system that was/still is able to > boot from disk right into Squeak: > > http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1762 > > Accessing devices/writing drivers in Smalltalk, etc. > >> Would like to know if it's some how possible to control external >> programs from within Pharo, essentially shell scripts for network >> setup, >> etc. > > Check out the "OSProcess" package in Pharo. > > Bye > T.

Sept. 19, 2014

Theme : Choices : Good, but ...

by Torsten Bergmann

>If there could be some way to have that look and feel, while adhering to >the Java LaF Guidelines for the same, we might have a Pharo system which >would be not only neater looking, but also lighter weight (by virtue of >fewer extravagant graphical properties). No one wants to look like Swing... Also people would then think we do static typing ;) Bye T.

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Booting into Pharo!

by Mayuresh Kathe

Yes, it must have been Squeak, it's VM is capable of displaying to the Linux framebuffer. I had run tests on it around 2002~3, looked good, but crashed often. ~Mayuresh On 2014-09-20 00:31, Hilaire wrote: > Once I tested it, not sure was Squeak or Pharo, running under the > Console FrameBuffer. > So your basic workstation can just be a Console only Linux (no X > window). > > Hilaire > > Le 19/09/2014 18:18, Mayuresh Kathe a Ã©crit : >> Hello, >> >> While I am still waiting for my copy of the PBE, I would like to >> initiate work on a project (along with friends). >> >> The idea is to build a minimalist Linux based system which would boot >> up >> straight into a full-screen Pharo environment. >> >> The system itself would be single user, consisting of not more than a >> Linux kernel, a few system utilities (busybox?), X (KDrive?) and Pharo >> (vm + image + ...). >> >> Would like to know if it's some how possible to control external >> programs from within Pharo, essentially shell scripts for network >> setup, >> etc. >> >> Thanks, >> >> ~Mayuresh >> >> >>

Sept. 19, 2014

Booting into Pharo!

by Torsten Bergmann

>The idea is to build a minimalist Linux based system which would boot up >straight into a full-screen Pharo environment. Why use a Linux underneath when you can do it in Smalltalk ;) Look at SqueakNOS - an operating system that was/still is able to boot from disk right into Squeak: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/1762 Accessing devices/writing drivers in Smalltalk, etc. >Would like to know if it's some how possible to control external >programs from within Pharo, essentially shell scripts for network setup, >etc. Check out the "OSProcess" package in Pharo. Bye T.

Sept. 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Theme : Choices : Good, but ...

by phil＠highoctane.be

Try the DawnTheme. https://github.com/sebastianconcept/Pharo3DawnTheme I've got my own little tweaks of it here: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~philippeback/HOExtras/packages/Pharo3DawnTh… Looks like Sublime. It is based on the Dark Theme. Phil On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 7:55 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > It's been close to 6 hours that I've been playing with the defaults > offered with Pharo 3. > > Everything works so much more smoothly than Squeak! It also feels great. > What's kind of problematic (as I see it) is the "look". > > There are 3 themes that I got with the default image; > Pharo 3, Vistary and Watery. > > Look good, but somehow give off the feel of having more style than > substance. > > I remember using something called Java Swing long back. > It too had a plethora of themes, but the one that was the most detailed, > and well designed (as in how well it worked), was something called "Java > Steel". > > Please see the images at; > http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/figures/uiswing/ > lookandfeel/OceanLAF.gif > https://today.java.net/images/2004/02/laf_fig2.gif > > If there could be some way to have that look and feel, while adhering to > the Java LaF Guidelines for the same, we might have a Pharo system which > would be not only neater looking, but also lighter weight (by virtue of > fewer extravagant graphical properties). > > Hope this suggestion isn't preposterous. :) > > ~Mayuresh > > > >

Sept. 19, 2014