August 2014 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

by Sean P. DeNigris

kilon.alios wrote > his dynabook is vaporware The Dynabook is a vision of what computing could be, not a product, and so can not be vaporware i.e. announced but not delivered. Looked at another way, you are using a Dynabook, since Smalltalk was an iteration of an attempt to implement of this vision. kilon.alios wrote > "Why fight them , when you can join them?" The problem is that "them" = "a pile of code so complicated that it's beyond the ability of a single human being to understand". When you make a choice to use [ GNU/Linux | OS X | Windows ] + "suite of applications that are so cool I can't live without", you end up with LOC equivalent to the entire Library of Congress, impossible to understand, and requiring countless context switches for all the languages and technologies involved. After spending the time to dig into this mess in a few places where you want to customize, you are lucky if you have any energy left over to create whatever your vision originally was, for which the computer seemed like the perfect tool. kilon.alios wrote > So now I am exploring the concept of how Pharo can control all these apps > without me having to reimplement these apps in Pharo which is just an > insane amount of work to code and maintain Of course this is better than nothing ;) It's a great way to fast-forward to the system of our dreams - make it work, then make it right. And at the same time I think it's important to remember that Smalltalk exists as a reaction to the unworkability of this software we are plugging into, and that the dream is still to see it all replaced, and then to see Smalltalk itself replaced by Frank or whatever the next distillation is of "what a computer really is". My 2c... Obviously my recovery is not going well and idealism has crept back in ;) ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-Pharo-meet-all-your-computing-needs-tp4774250p477… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Teapot 0.8 micro web framework

by Attila Magyar

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Are there any tests ? Examples ? There is a test package, but it is not part of the metacello config. You can see it, if you add the repositiory and load the project from there. There are no large examples so far, only the REST like book app on the smalltalkhub wiki. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > How do you load your dependencies, like NeoJSON or STON ? I consider them as optional dependencies therefore they are not loaded. If someone wants to use them they will need to load them from the config browser. From the code I don't refer to them directly but with the "Smalltalk at: #NeoJSON" expression, so the projects loads and works without them, if they are not used. Probably I will add some metacello stuff later to make it easier to load them. Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > If you need anything from Zn that is not yet provided, please ask. I would > be happy to help. It is impressive that you did all this without any > direct questions ! > > Cool name too ! > > Sven > > PS: Most people don't seem to know, but you can load a #stable version in > one expression: > > Gofer it > smalltalkhubUser: 'zeroflag' project: 'Teapot'; > configuration; > loadStable. > > It is just more elegant I think. There are some variants of this API as > well, check the Gofer class. Thanks, that's better. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Teapot-0-8-micro-web-framework-tp4774449p4774467.… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

by kilon alios

SqueakNOS went towards that direction http://squeaknos.blogspot.gr/ On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:34 PM, Ichiseki <is076(a)outlook.com> wrote: > This a very interesting topic. > Some time ago I was taking a look at a Tektronik flyer I found on the > Internet and seems that in those days, the concept of Smalltalk was that it > completely replaced the OS. Or perhaps is more accurate to say that > Smalltalk was the OS and the Development Environment. > I would love to see some kind of Pharo OS with applications inside Pharo. > The OS could be done using the Linux Kernel and some GNU tools. Now I bet > that for this project would be perfect to have a 64bit VM, isn't it? > > I'm too was looking to read pdfs, read and manage email, surf the web, etc. > > best > > Ichiro > > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Can-Pharo-meet-all-your-computing-needs-tp4774250p477… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Can Pharo meet all your computing needs?

by Ichiseki

This a very interesting topic. Some time ago I was taking a look at a Tektronik flyer I found on the Internet and seems that in those days, the concept of Smalltalk was that it completely replaced the OS. Or perhaps is more accurate to say that Smalltalk was the OS and the Development Environment. I would love to see some kind of Pharo OS with applications inside Pharo. The OS could be done using the Linux Kernel and some GNU tools. Now I bet that for this project would be perfect to have a 64bit VM, isn't it? I'm too was looking to read pdfs, read and manage email, surf the web, etc. best Ichiro -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Can-Pharo-meet-all-your-computing-needs-tp4774250p477… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Teapot 0.8 micro web framework

by Tudor Girba

One word comes to mind to describe this piece of work: Elegant! Doru On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi Attila, > > This is great work and well documented too. Beautiful. This is an > excellent layer on top of Zn. > > Are there any tests ? Examples ? > > How do you load your dependencies, like NeoJSON or STON ? > > If you need anything from Zn that is not yet provided, please ask. I would > be happy to help. It is impressive that you did all this without any direct > questions ! > > Cool name too ! > > Sven > > PS: Most people don't seem to know, but you can load a #stable version in > one expression: > > Gofer it > smalltalkhubUser: 'zeroflag' project: 'Teapot'; > configuration; > loadStable. > > It is just more elegant I think. There are some variants of this API as > well, check the Gofer class. > > On 24 Aug 2014, at 20:48, Attila Magyar <m.magyar3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to announce a new micro web framework called Teapot. It follows > a > > similar philosophy than other lightweight frameworks like > > Sinatra/Bottle/Flask/Spark. Teapot is built on top of the Zn HTTP > > components, and less than 500 lines long. > > > > More info: > > > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~zeroflag/Teapot > > > > Attila > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-Teapot-0-8-micro-web-framework-tp4774449.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > Proudly supporting Pharo > http://pharo.org > http://association.pharo.org > http://consortium.pharo.org > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Teapot 0.8 micro web framework

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Attila, This is great work and well documented too. Beautiful. This is an excellent layer on top of Zn. Are there any tests ? Examples ? How do you load your dependencies, like NeoJSON or STON ? If you need anything from Zn that is not yet provided, please ask. I would be happy to help. It is impressive that you did all this without any direct questions ! Cool name too ! Sven PS: Most people don't seem to know, but you can load a #stable version in one expression: Gofer it smalltalkhubUser: 'zeroflag' project: 'Teapot'; configuration; loadStable. It is just more elegant I think. There are some variants of this API as well, check the Gofer class. On 24 Aug 2014, at 20:48, Attila Magyar <m.magyar3(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to announce a new micro web framework called Teapot. It follows a > similar philosophy than other lightweight frameworks like > Sinatra/Bottle/Flask/Spark. Teapot is built on top of the Zn HTTP > components, and less than 500 lines long. > > More info: > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~zeroflag/Teapot > > Attila > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Teapot-0-8-micro-web-framework-tp4774449.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe Proudly supporting Pharo http://pharo.org http://association.pharo.org http://consortium.pharo.org

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Teapot 0.8 micro web framework

by Attila Magyar

Esteban A. Maringolo wrote > But why use uppercase selectors for HTTP methods? I was struggling with the syntax for a while than I end up having this. I thought it can make easier to see where the route definitions start and end if there are many. And it looks like a HTTP method, as you said too. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Teapot-0-8-micro-web-framework-tp4774449p4774454.… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Teapot 0.8 micro web framework

by Esteban A. Maringolo

Wow! I like it. And very well documented. I like many things about it. But why use uppercase selectors for HTTP methods? I can guess you want to "mimic" the HTTP messages, but it reads weird... Thank you! Esteban A. Maringolo 2014-08-24 15:48 GMT-03:00 Attila Magyar <m.magyar3(a)gmail.com>: > Hello, > > I'd like to announce a new micro web framework called Teapot. It follows a > similar philosophy than other lightweight frameworks like > Sinatra/Bottle/Flask/Spark. Teapot is built on top of the Zn HTTP > components, and less than 500 lines long. > > More info: > > http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~zeroflag/Teapot > > Attila > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-Teapot-0-8-micro-web-framework-tp4774449.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] ANN SXSoundEx for Pharo/Smalltalk

by Tudor Girba

Hi, This algorithm is useful for search. Imagine that you go to a hospital with an urgent problem, people are in a hurry, they need to find you super fast, someone dictates the name and someone else searches for it to find if you have no allergies. In this situation there is no time to think whether he mentioned "Lucas" or "Lukasz". Hence, the soundex search :). Doru On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi Gareth! > > I went through the Wikipedia article. I cannot figure out what are the > applications of this algorithm. > Just wondering > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > Le 24-08-2014 Ã 14:46, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> a Ã©crit : > > superb attitude! > > Stef > > On 24/8/14 16:22, Gareth Cox wrote: > > Hi all > > As part of a recent project I was asked to create a small soundex thingy. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex > > I told the company that I'd do it but it'd be opensource and I'd give it > to the community. > They agreed so here it is! > You can find it here http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~riverdusty/SXSoundEx > Hope it'll be useful for someone. > > Regards > > -- > Gareth Cox > IT Manager/Developer > Inspired Org (PTY) Ltd > email: gareth(a)inspired.org > tell: +27 (0)21 531 5404 > cell: +27 (0)78 374 9035 > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Aug. 24, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] ANN SXSoundEx for Pharo/Smalltalk

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi Gareth! I went through the Wikipedia article. I cannot figure out what are the applications of this algorithm. Just wondering Cheers, Alexandre > Le 24-08-2014 Ã 14:46, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> a Ã©crit : > > superb attitude! > > Stef > >> On 24/8/14 16:22, Gareth Cox wrote: >> Hi all >> >> As part of a recent project I was asked to create a small soundex thingy. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex >> >> I told the company that I'd do it but it'd be opensource and I'd give it to the community. >> They agreed so here it is! >> You can find it here http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~riverdusty/SXSoundEx >> Hope it'll be useful for someone. >> >> Regards >> >> -- >> Gareth Cox >> IT Manager/Developer >> Inspired Org (PTY) Ltd >> email: gareth(a)inspired.org >> tell: +27 (0)21 531 5404 >> cell: +27 (0)78 374 9035 >

Aug. 24, 2014