July 2014 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] SVG creation within pharo

by Nicolai Hess

2014-07-07 14:59 GMT+02:00 Max Bareis <info(a)derverkoster.de>: > Hi, > > is there a SVG-Canvas-API within Pharo? Is it possible to create and > manipulate SVG Graphics on object level? > > Regards > > Max > There is an SVG importer for Athens http://smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/Athens But it is unfinished As far as I know.

July 7, 2014

SVG creation within pharo

by Max Bareis

Hi, is there a SVG-Canvas-API within Pharo? Is it possible to create and manipulate SVG Graphics on object level? Regards Max

July 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens

by Tudor Girba

Yes. It should be the platform you need. Doru On Mon, Jul 7, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for all the suggestions. I looked more closely at Roassal and it > seems that it might have everything we would need. Basically the next step > in the project is to create extensible drawing tool for modelling languages > (UML/Petri nets/what have you), so we need to be able to draw any arbitrary > shapes and their compositions (e.g. UML StateMachine composite state might > have plethora of subelements). So If I understand correctly Roassal/Trachel > should be able to provide us with everything at the visual layer or it is > possible to (easily) extend it and add custom shapes. > > Peter > > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > >> 2014-07-06 9:54 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: >> >> Hi peter >>> >>> I hope that igor will see your mail now I will try to reply and this may >>> be a bit wrong :) >>> >>> >>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I'm currently working on drawing engine (Ã la Squeak Connectors) as a >>>> part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and >>>> Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. >>>> >>>> What is the difference between "Morph>>#drawOn:" and >>>> "Morph>>#drawOnAthensCanvas:" if I draw on AthensCairoSurface? Should I >>>> always use the latter or will there be switch to the former once everything >>>> is rendered using Athens? >>>> >>> >> AthensWrapMorph fullDrawOn method will call its submorphs drawOn: method >> with an AthensCanvas. >> Now, if you have an AthensCanvas (from the AthensWrapMorph) and your own >> Morph does not implement drawOnAthensCanvas, then >> Morph>>#drawOnAthensCanvas is called which just >> draws an rectangle from your Morphs bound. For example, put a >> PolygonMorph on an AthensWrapMorph. It is drawn as a rectangle, because >> PolygonMorph does not know (yet) how >> to draw itself with athens. >> >> If you have new a Morph that is just container of other Morphs than you >> don't need to change anything. Just make sure your toplevel Morph >> is wrapped by an AthensWrapMorph. But If you have a Morph, that >> subclasses another Morph that overrides drawOnAthensCanvas, you'll have to >> reimplent >> this as well. >> For example, MenuItemMorph subclasses StringMorph and StringMorph >> implements its own drawOnAthensCanvas. If you put a MenuMorph in a >> AthensWrapMorph it will be drawn >> like a plain StringMorph not like a MenuItemMorph (without icons and >> arrows for submenus etc). >> >> >>> One of the idea is that you have a wrappingMorph that convert the >>> Morphic to Athens drawing. This way >>> you can use athens and still be in a non athens world, then we will >>> switch to athens you will just have to unwrap your (athensihed morph). >> >> >>> Now about the granularity question it depends, what I would do is to >>> have one wrapper and be in a athens world. >>> Did you check the trachel layer in Roassal? >>> >> >> I may be wrong, but I think we have to be carefull that not everyone >> invents its own "draw on athens layer". >> >> I would suggest: >> - build it on top of roassal / trachel, i.e. draw always with athens. >> - build it as Morphs and implement drawOnAthensCanvs if needed. >> >> Nicolai >> >> >> >>> >>> What would be good is that >>> - you define drawOnAthensCanvas: for all the shapes you need and we >>> integrate them into Pharo >>> - like that slowly we will get ready to switch to Athens >>> >>> >>> Should AthensMorphWrap be around every morphic element or just the top >>>> level? i.e. >>>> CanvasMorph (owner of the surface) will have a single submorph >>>> AthensMorphWrap which will then hold all the morphs (EllipsisMorph, >>>> RectangleMorph, ...) which are being drawn on the canvas. >>>> >>> I think so. >>> This is what Roassal is doing. >>> Please keep us aware of your progress and do not hesitate to ask >>> questions and we are REALLY interested in your project >> >> So if you have athens draw on method please send them to us. >>> >> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Peter >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

July 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] drawing morphs with athens

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Thank you for all the suggestions. I looked more closely at Roassal and it seems that it might have everything we would need. Basically the next step in the project is to create extensible drawing tool for modelling languages (UML/Petri nets/what have you), so we need to be able to draw any arbitrary shapes and their compositions (e.g. UML StateMachine composite state might have plethora of subelements). So If I understand correctly Roassal/Trachel should be able to provide us with everything at the visual layer or it is possible to (easily) extend it and add custom shapes. Peter On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > 2014-07-06 9:54 GMT+02:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > Hi peter >> >> I hope that igor will see your mail now I will try to reply and this may >> be a bit wrong :) >> >> >> Hello, >>> >>> I'm currently working on drawing engine (Ã la Squeak Connectors) as a >>> part of school project and have a couple of questions about Morphs and >>> Athens and would be grateful if someone could enlighten me. >>> >>> What is the difference between "Morph>>#drawOn:" and >>> "Morph>>#drawOnAthensCanvas:" if I draw on AthensCairoSurface? Should I >>> always use the latter or will there be switch to the former once everything >>> is rendered using Athens? >>> >> > AthensWrapMorph fullDrawOn method will call its submorphs drawOn: method > with an AthensCanvas. > Now, if you have an AthensCanvas (from the AthensWrapMorph) and your own > Morph does not implement drawOnAthensCanvas, then > Morph>>#drawOnAthensCanvas is called which just > draws an rectangle from your Morphs bound. For example, put a PolygonMorph > on an AthensWrapMorph. It is drawn as a rectangle, because PolygonMorph > does not know (yet) how > to draw itself with athens. > > If you have new a Morph that is just container of other Morphs than you > don't need to change anything. Just make sure your toplevel Morph > is wrapped by an AthensWrapMorph. But If you have a Morph, that subclasses > another Morph that overrides drawOnAthensCanvas, you'll have to reimplent > this as well. > For example, MenuItemMorph subclasses StringMorph and StringMorph > implements its own drawOnAthensCanvas. If you put a MenuMorph in a > AthensWrapMorph it will be drawn > like a plain StringMorph not like a MenuItemMorph (without icons and > arrows for submenus etc). > > >> One of the idea is that you have a wrappingMorph that convert the >> Morphic to Athens drawing. This way >> you can use athens and still be in a non athens world, then we will >> switch to athens you will just have to unwrap your (athensihed morph). > > >> Now about the granularity question it depends, what I would do is to have >> one wrapper and be in a athens world. >> Did you check the trachel layer in Roassal? >> > > I may be wrong, but I think we have to be carefull that not everyone > invents its own "draw on athens layer". > > I would suggest: > - build it on top of roassal / trachel, i.e. draw always with athens. > - build it as Morphs and implement drawOnAthensCanvs if needed. > > Nicolai > > > >> >> What would be good is that >> - you define drawOnAthensCanvas: for all the shapes you need and we >> integrate them into Pharo >> - like that slowly we will get ready to switch to Athens >> >> >> Should AthensMorphWrap be around every morphic element or just the top >>> level? i.e. >>> CanvasMorph (owner of the surface) will have a single submorph >>> AthensMorphWrap which will then hold all the morphs (EllipsisMorph, >>> RectangleMorph, ...) which are being drawn on the canvas. >>> >> I think so. >> This is what Roassal is doing. >> Please keep us aware of your progress and do not hesitate to ask >> questions and we are REALLY interested in your project > > So if you have athens draw on method please send them to us. >> > >> Stef >> >> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >>> >> >> >> >

July 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Mark Rizun

Great, thanks, now it's clear) Mark 2014-07-06 20:03 GMT+03:00 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com>: > He means to run that command in a terminal/console. > > If not, you'll find always the latest build image in here: > > http://files.pharo.org/image/40/ > > and the VM from... > > http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/ > > But since Pharo4 is in development, you have to update it often :) > > Guille > > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Just interesting: what do you mean "run" "curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash >> "? >> >> >> 2014-07-06 19:58 GMT+03:00 Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com>: >> >> Ok, thank you. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> 2014-07-06 19:45 GMT+03:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: >>> >>> Hi, >>>> >>>> you can run >>>> >>>> curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash >>>> >>>> To load latest image + vm. or you can just get a latest image from: >>>> >>>> http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip >>>> >>>> Uko >>>> >>>> On 06 Jul 2014, at 18:40, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> > Hi, >>>> > >>>> > We have this web-site http://get.pharo.org/40. >>>> > Can smb explain to me how to download / install the newest version of >>>> > pharo40? >>>> > >>>> > Thanks, >>>> > Mark >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > View this message in context: >>>> http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797.html >>>> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at >>>> Nabble.com. >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >

July 6, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Guillermo Polito

He means to run that command in a terminal/console. If not, you'll find always the latest build image in here: http://files.pharo.org/image/40/ and the VM from... http://files.pharo.org/vm/pharo/ But since Pharo4 is in development, you have to update it often :) Guille On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Just interesting: what do you mean "run" "curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash > "? > > > 2014-07-06 19:58 GMT+03:00 Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com>: > > Ok, thank you. >> >> Mark >> >> >> 2014-07-06 19:45 GMT+03:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: >> >> Hi, >>> >>> you can run >>> >>> curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash >>> >>> To load latest image + vm. or you can just get a latest image from: >>> >>> http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip >>> >>> Uko >>> >>> On 06 Jul 2014, at 18:40, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > We have this web-site http://get.pharo.org/40. >>> > Can smb explain to me how to download / install the newest version of >>> > pharo40? >>> > >>> > Thanks, >>> > Mark >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > View this message in context: >>> http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797.html >>> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> >

July 6, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by stepharo

execute on the command line on unix Stef On 6/7/14 18:59, Mark Rizun wrote: > Just interesting: what do you mean "run" "curl get.pharo.org/40+vm > <http://get.pharo.org/40+vm> | bash"? > > > 2014-07-06 19:58 GMT+03:00 Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com > <mailto:mrizun@gmail.com>>: > > Ok, thank you. > > Mark > > > 2014-07-06 19:45 GMT+03:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com > <mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>>: > > Hi, > > you can run > > curl get.pharo.org/40+vm <http://get.pharo.org/40+vm> | bash > > To load latest image + vm. or you can just get a latest image > from: > > http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip > > Uko > > On 06 Jul 2014, at 18:40, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com > <mailto:mrizun@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > We have this web-site http://get.pharo.org/40. > > Can smb explain to me how to download / install the newest > version of > > pharo40? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > > >

July 6, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Mark Rizun

Just interesting: what do you mean "run" "curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash"? 2014-07-06 19:58 GMT+03:00 Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com>: > Ok, thank you. > > Mark > > > 2014-07-06 19:45 GMT+03:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > > Hi, >> >> you can run >> >> curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash >> >> To load latest image + vm. or you can just get a latest image from: >> >> http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip >> >> Uko >> >> On 06 Jul 2014, at 18:40, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > We have this web-site http://get.pharo.org/40. >> > Can smb explain to me how to download / install the newest version of >> > pharo40? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Mark >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797.html >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> >> >> >

July 6, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by stepharo

We should add that to the pharo web site :) Stef On 6/7/14 18:45, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > Hi, > > you can run > > curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash > > To load latest image + vm. or you can just get a latest image from: > > http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip > > Uko > > On 06 Jul 2014, at 18:40, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have this web-site http://get.pharo.org/40. >> Can smb explain to me how to download / install the newest version of >> pharo40? >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >

July 6, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How to download Pharo40?

by Mark Rizun

Ok, thank you. Mark 2014-07-06 19:45 GMT+03:00 Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > Hi, > > you can run > > curl get.pharo.org/40+vm | bash > > To load latest image + vm. or you can just get a latest image from: > > http://files.pharo.org/image/40/latest.zip > > Uko > > On 06 Jul 2014, at 18:40, Mark Rizun <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > We have this web-site http://get.pharo.org/40. > > Can smb explain to me how to download / install the newest version of > > pharo40? > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/How-to-download-Pharo40-tp4766797.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > >

July 6, 2014