July 2014 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Data Science with Pharo?

by volkert＠nivoba.de

I like to concept of the Type Providers and the Deedle library. http://fsharp.github.io/FSharp.Data/ http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh156509.aspx http://bluemountaincapital.github.io/Deedle/ BW, Volkert Am 30.07.2014 um 23:45 schrieb Tudor Girba: > I did watch the movie. The only interesting thing it has are the > types. Besides that, from what I can see in the demo, the > interactivity and the options of the GTPlayground/GTInspector is, in > my opinion, better. > > And we just got started :). > > Doru > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:38 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de > <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de> <volkert(a)nivoba.de > <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de>> wrote: > > Please watch the video. > > BW, > Volkert > > Am 30.07.2014 um 22:12 schrieb stepharo: >> >> On 30/7/14 21:57, Tudor Girba wrote: >>> Moose is not about software analysis, but about data analysis :) >> >> +1 >> and you can morph it to your needs and participate :) >>> >>> Look at the Roassal demos, or at the work around the >>> GTPlayground or GTInspector: >>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ >>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… >>> >>> >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de >>> <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de> <volkert(a)nivoba.de >>> <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de>> wrote: >>> >>> Here a really nice video on interactive data aquiring, >>> analysis und visualization with F#. >>> >>> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Understanding-the-World-with-F >>> >>> Is this the way Pharo + Roassal + ... goes? Ok, we have >>> moose, but a i understand >>> it puts the focus on sw analysis and sw visualization. What >>> about a new >>> easy to use and interactive data science platform? >>> >>> BW, >>> Volkert >>> >>> -- >>> www.nivoba.de <http://www.nivoba.de> >>> >>> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in >>> learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to >>> abandon it.", NW >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > > -- > www.nivoba.de <http://www.nivoba.de> > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow" -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW

July 31, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal2 orthogonal lines, attach points and self-lines.

by Alexandre Bergel

Forgot to answer this: As you wish, there is no particular rule on this Alexandre On Jul 30, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > p.s. should I be CC-ing to moose-dev list? not sure what the proper mailing policy is > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal2 orthogonal lines, attach points and self-lines.

by Alexandre Bergel

If you wish to have some control points that may be manipulated with the mouse, then you need elements. Just in case you have not seen it: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | v shape edge els | v := RTView new. shape := RTEllipse new size: 10; color: (Color purple alpha: 0.3). els := (shape elementsOn: (1 to: 6)) @ RTDraggable. v addAll: els . RTHorizontalLineLayout on: v elements. v elements first translateBy: -50 @ 50. v elements third translateBy: -10 @ 20. v elements fifth translateBy: 0 @ -60. v elements last translateBy: 150 @ 100. edge := (RTBezierLine new controllingElements: v elements) edgeFrom: els first to: els last. v add: edge. v open. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexandre On Jul 30, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Alex! > > I took a brief look at it and will play with it more tomorrow but it looks great! Especially the RTMultiLine>>block: message makes it is much more flexible for weird use cases (e.g. wanting to have control points while maintaining orthogonality etc). > Perhaps we don't even need to add extra option for control points per se and just let it be handled from outside? E.g. something like > --------------------------------- > v := RTView new. > > e1 := (RTEllipse new size: 30) elementOn: 'A'. > e2 := (RTEllipse new size: 30) elementOn: 'B'. > > ctrlShape := RTEllipse new size: 10; color: (Color purple alpha: 0.3). > ctrls := (ctrlShape elementsOn: (1 to: 2)). > > v > add: e1; > add: e2; > addAll: ctrls. > v elements @ RTDraggable. > > e := RTEdge from: e1 to: e2. > > ctrls do: [ :el | el addConnectedEdge: e ]. > > shape := RTMultiLine new color: Color blue. > shape block: [ :fromPoint :toPoint | > | points | > points := ctrls collect: [ :el | el position ]. > points > addFirst: fromPoint; > addLast: toPoint. > > points asArray. > ]. > > e + shape. > > v add: e. > > RTCircleLayout on: v elements. > v open. > ------------------------- > > Thanks! > > Peter > > p.s. should I be CC-ing to moose-dev list? not sure what the proper mailing policy is > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi Peter! > > Iâve just added the orthogonal vertical and horizontal lines in Roassal2. Here are some screenshots. > > <Screen Shot 2014-07-30 at 2.04.23 PM.png> > <Screen Shot 2014-07-30 at 2.07.44 PM.png> > > These last script has been made with: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | v | > v := RTView new. > > v addAll: ((RTEllipse new size: 20; color: (Color red alpha: 0.3)) elementsOn: (1 to: 20)). > > shape := RTMultiLine new. > shape orthoVertical. > shape color: (Color blue alpha: 0.3). > > RTEdge > buildEdgesFromObjects: (1 to: 20) from: [ :n | n // 3 ] to: #yourself using: shape inView: v. > > v elements @ RTDraggable @ RTPopup. > > RTTreeLayout on: v elements. > v open > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> is there any support for orthogonal lines in Roassal2? I've seen something similar (ROOrthoVerticalLineShape), however nothing of that sort in Roassal2. I would imagine it to behave similarly to RTBezierLine - having controllingElements to specify the corners. (While ROOrtholines did it automatically I was looking for something more manual, so it can go in both directions - thus the controllingElements). >> >> Second thing I wasn't able to figure out is whether it is possible to create line from element to itself. All *AttachPoint classes aren't really able to cope with that. The best result I got was from Vertical/Horizontal AttachPoints (combined with BezierLine), however I would like to be able to specify which side it would start on and end on. Ideally not just middle of sides, but arbitrary part of the shape (I imagine that might be hard for non-rectangular shapes). >> >> Thanks, >> Peter > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

July 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Data Science with Pharo?

by Tudor Girba

I did watch the movie. The only interesting thing it has are the types. Besides that, from what I can see in the demo, the interactivity and the options of the GTPlayground/GTInspector is, in my opinion, better. And we just got started :). Doru On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:38 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de <volkert(a)nivoba.de> wrote: > Please watch the video. > > BW, > Volkert > > Am 30.07.2014 um 22:12 schrieb stepharo: > > > On 30/7/14 21:57, Tudor Girba wrote: > > Moose is not about software analysis, but about data analysis :) > > > +1 > and you can morph it to your needs and participate :) > > > Look at the Roassal demos, or at the work around the GTPlayground or > GTInspector: > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… > > > Doru > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de <volkert(a)nivoba.de> > wrote: > >> Here a really nice video on interactive data aquiring, analysis und >> visualization with F#. >> >> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Understanding-the-World-with-F >> >> Is this the way Pharo + Roassal + ... goes? Ok, we have moose, but a i >> understand >> it puts the focus on sw analysis and sw visualization. What about a new >> easy to use and interactive data science platform? >> >> BW, >> Volkert >> >> -- >> www.nivoba.de >> >> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use >> it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW >> >> >> > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" > > > > -- www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

July 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Roassal2 orthogonal lines, attach points and self-lines.

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Hi Alex! I took a brief look at it and will play with it more tomorrow but it looks great! Especially the RTMultiLine>>block: message makes it is much more flexible for weird use cases (e.g. wanting to have control points while maintaining orthogonality etc). Perhaps we don't even need to add extra option for control points per se and just let it be handled from outside? E.g. something like --------------------------------- v := RTView new. e1 := (RTEllipse new size: 30) elementOn: 'A'. e2 := (RTEllipse new size: 30) elementOn: 'B'. ctrlShape := RTEllipse new size: 10; color: (Color purple alpha: 0.3). ctrls := (ctrlShape elementsOn: (1 to: 2)). v add: e1; add: e2; addAll: ctrls. v elements @ RTDraggable. e := RTEdge from: e1 to: e2. ctrls do: [ :el | el addConnectedEdge: e ]. shape := RTMultiLine new color: Color blue. shape block: [ :fromPoint :toPoint | | points | points := ctrls collect: [ :el | el position ]. points addFirst: fromPoint; addLast: toPoint. points asArray. ]. e + shape. v add: e. RTCircleLayout on: v elements. v open. ------------------------- Thanks! Peter p.s. should I be CC-ing to moose-dev list? not sure what the proper mailing policy is On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 8:12 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > Hi Peter! > > Iâve just added the orthogonal vertical and horizontal lines in Roassal2. > Here are some screenshots. > > > These last script has been made with: > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > | v | > v := RTView new. > > v addAll: ((RTEllipse new size: 20; color: (Color red alpha: 0.3)) > elementsOn: (1 to: 20)). > > shape := RTMultiLine new. > shape orthoVertical. > shape color: (Color blue alpha: 0.3). > > RTEdge > buildEdgesFromObjects: (1 to: 20) from: [ :n | n // 3 ] to: #yourself > using: shape inView: v. > > v elements @ RTDraggable @ RTPopup. > RTTreeLayout on: v elements. > v open > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:57 PM, Peter UhnÃ¡k <i.uhnak(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > is there any support for orthogonal lines in Roassal2? I've seen something > similar (ROOrthoVerticalLineShape), however nothing of that sort in > Roassal2. I would imagine it to behave similarly to RTBezierLine - having > controllingElements to specify the corners. (While ROOrtholines did it > automatically I was looking for something more manual, so it can go in both > directions - thus the controllingElements). > > Second thing I wasn't able to figure out is whether it is possible to > create line from element to itself. All *AttachPoint classes aren't really > able to cope with that. The best result I got was from Vertical/Horizontal > AttachPoints (combined with BezierLine), however I would like to be able to > specify which side it would start on and end on. Ideally not just middle of > sides, but arbitrary part of the shape (I imagine that might be hard for > non-rectangular shapes). > > Thanks, > Peter > > >

July 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Data Science with Pharo?

by volkert＠nivoba.de

i thought it was only for sw analyse and visualization. At least it was ;-) Will have a look ;-) Am 30.07.2014 um 21:57 schrieb Tudor Girba: > Moose is not about software analysis, but about data analysis :) > > Look at the Roassal demos, or at the work around the GTPlayground or > GTInspector: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… > > > Doru > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de > <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de> <volkert(a)nivoba.de > <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de>> wrote: > > Here a really nice video on interactive data aquiring, analysis > und visualization with F#. > > http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Understanding-the-World-with-F > > Is this the way Pharo + Roassal + ... goes? Ok, we have moose, but > a i understand > it puts the focus on sw analysis and sw visualization. What about > a new > easy to use and interactive data science platform? > > BW, > Volkert > > -- > www.nivoba.de <http://www.nivoba.de> > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning > to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow" -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW

July 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Data Science with Pharo?

by volkert＠nivoba.de

Please watch the video. BW, Volkert Am 30.07.2014 um 22:12 schrieb stepharo: > > On 30/7/14 21:57, Tudor Girba wrote: >> Moose is not about software analysis, but about data analysis :) > > +1 > and you can morph it to your needs and participate :) >> >> Look at the Roassal demos, or at the work around the GTPlayground or >> GTInspector: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… >> >> >> Doru >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de >> <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de> <volkert(a)nivoba.de >> <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de>> wrote: >> >> Here a really nice video on interactive data aquiring, analysis >> und visualization with F#. >> >> http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Understanding-the-World-with-F >> >> Is this the way Pharo + Roassal + ... goes? Ok, we have moose, >> but a i understand >> it puts the focus on sw analysis and sw visualization. What about >> a new >> easy to use and interactive data science platform? >> >> BW, >> Volkert >> >> -- >> www.nivoba.de <http://www.nivoba.de> >> >> "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in >> learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon >> it.", NW >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" > -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW

July 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Data Science with Pharo?

by stepharo

On 30/7/14 21:57, Tudor Girba wrote: > Moose is not about software analysis, but about data analysis :) +1 and you can morph it to your needs and participate :) > > Look at the Roassal demos, or at the work around the GTPlayground or > GTInspector: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… > > > Doru > > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de > <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de> <volkert(a)nivoba.de > <mailto:volkert@nivoba.de>> wrote: > > Here a really nice video on interactive data aquiring, analysis > und visualization with F#. > > http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Understanding-the-World-with-F > > Is this the way Pharo + Roassal + ... goes? Ok, we have moose, but > a i understand > it puts the focus on sw analysis and sw visualization. What about > a new > easy to use and interactive data science platform? > > BW, > Volkert > > -- > www.nivoba.de <http://www.nivoba.de> > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning > to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow"

July 30, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Data Science with Pharo?

by Tudor Girba

Moose is not about software analysis, but about data analysis :) Look at the Roassal demos, or at the work around the GTPlayground or GTInspector: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… Doru On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 9:47 PM, volkert(a)nivoba.de <volkert(a)nivoba.de> wrote: > Here a really nice video on interactive data aquiring, analysis und > visualization with F#. > > http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Understanding-the-World-with-F > > Is this the way Pharo + Roassal + ... goes? Ok, we have moose, but a i > understand > it puts the focus on sw analysis and sw visualization. What about a new > easy to use and interactive data science platform? > > BW, > Volkert > > -- > www.nivoba.de > > "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use > it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

July 30, 2014

Data Science with Pharo?

by volkert＠nivoba.de

Here a really nice video on interactive data aquiring, analysis und visualization with F#. http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Understanding-the-World-with-F Is this the way Pharo + Roassal + ... goes? Ok, we have moose, but a i understand it puts the focus on sw analysis and sw visualization. What about a new easy to use and interactive data science platform? BW, Volkert -- www.nivoba.de "The more complex an object, the larger the investment in learning to use it, and the greater the resistance to abandon it.", NW

July 30, 2014