April 2014 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

by Robert Shiplett

we had developers wanting Mac's so that they could run TextMate. Rather like the Sales exec'son the other side of the building who wanted to keep their Blackberry after the acquisition ( in the mad-mad s/w world in North America, the developers will be forbidden Mac's but the marketing people will be using them.) It is probably me who doesn't understand why there is not yet a truly portable rich text editor for programmers ;-) ( no that plugin for eclipse was NOT what I had in mind. ) Because it does seem to me that every "and we have a TextMate plugin" is a symptom of a mild disorder rather than a nostrum ;-) On 21 April 2014 09:47, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > As you are replying to my email I guess you have some feedback or request > about my bundle. > > Honestly I havenât understood a thing after reading your reply once. Iâll > try to read it more times later. > > Cheers > Uko > > On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > re: textmite > > Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes > collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written > in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text > editing/formatting widget? > > Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. > complex telco routing app ? Check. > multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. > real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check. > > Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter > editor/component project ? > > ( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the > assembler code ) > > Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ? > > ( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? ) > > It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( > an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the > moment ... ) > > Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain > ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the > app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals ) > > Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk > dialect ? > > I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to > constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one > you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the > results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? ) > > A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode > text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical > prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform > oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; > typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 > and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is > now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ? > > [ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the > nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; > now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor > project ? > > > > > > On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: >> > >> > What does it do? >> >> For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future >> >> Uko >> >> > >> > Norbert >> > >> >> Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: >> >> >> >> Dear guys who use Pillar. >> >> >> >> Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. >> You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle >> >> >> >> Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but >> itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: >> language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar >> >> >> >> I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. >> >> >> >> Happy Easter! >> >> Uko >> >> >> >> P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours) >> > >> >> > >

April 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

by Yuriy Tymchuk

As you are replying to my email I guess you have some feedback or request about my bundle. Honestly I havenât understood a thing after reading your reply once. Iâll try to read it more times later. Cheers Uko On 21 Apr 2014, at 15:06, Robert Shiplett <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > re: textmite > > Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget? > > Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. > complex telco routing app ? Check. > multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. > real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check. > > Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ? > > ( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code ) > > Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ? > > ( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? ) > > It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... ) > > Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals ) > > Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ? > > I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? ) > > A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ? > > [ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ? > > > > > > On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > > > What does it do? > > For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future > > Uko > > > > > Norbert > > > >> Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > >> > >> Dear guys who use Pillar. > >> > >> Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle > >> > >> Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar > >> > >> I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. > >> > >> Happy Easter! > >> Uko > >> > >> P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours) > > > >

April 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

by Robert Shiplett

re: textmite Q : what is currently the best Unicode text "notes collator"/editor/formatter/previewer/printer/versioning-compat app written in a Smalltalk dialect ? Any one component of the above ? RTF text editing/formatting widget? Sketch/draw/coloring app ? Check. complex telco routing app ? Check. multi-dim data visualization app ? Check. real-time high-speed robotic arm/articulated-joint controller app ? Check. Can anything be learned from the successes/issues of the Sciter editor/component project ? ( was just remembering when the Norton Programmer Editor came WITH the assembler code ) Is there an open source Objective-C variant of a decent Mac editor ? ( as TextMate is SOooo far from being cross-platform, right ? ) It is not enough for an editor to "consume" TextMate templates, is it ? ( an analogy that likely would not be irritating to others escapes me at the moment ... ) Are constraints behavior what makes good editors so difficult to maintain ? ( assuming elegant/extensible constraints modelling and resolution IS the app challenge for text formatting for WYSIWYG approvals ) Is there now a constraint resolution module callable from a Smalltalk dialect ? I am using a graphical programming language that has 2 approaches to constraints for text layout : one you get to tinker about in an API, one you get to request layout for text/font/font_attribs and you accept the results ( the Alan Knight O-O no-internals-SVP version ? ) A pythonic quasi-logic language with minimalist constraints for Unicode text is under development in UK ; I am alpha testing one such non-graphical prgrm'g lang for Unicode text-only from USA, but it is NOT cross platform oddly enough; Logtalk + swi-prolog also has constraints handling ; typed-Prolog AKA Mercury gen's C or Erlang ; Oz has gone quiet since 1.4 and Lively Kernel ? I have lost track of Croquet. User-friendly Scheme is now called Racket, btw. And "Claire", the lang ? Alice ? [ by way of explanation : this Monday is a bank-holiday here, but the nearest beaches have ice piled on them and its some other holiday in USA ; now for morning java ( as in coffee ) ] Isn't "brackets" some editor project ? On 21 April 2014 07:25, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > > > What does it do? > > For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future > > Uko > > > > > Norbert > > > >> Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > >> > >> Dear guys who use Pillar. > >> > >> Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. > You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle > >> > >> Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but > itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: > language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar > >> > >> I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. > >> > >> Happy Easter! > >> Uko > >> > >> P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours) > > > >

April 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Apr 2014, at 12:22, Norbert Hartl <norbert(a)hartl.name> wrote: > > What does it do? For now on - syntax highlighting. I'll try to add more features in future Uko > > Norbert > >> Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: >> >> Dear guys who use Pillar. >> >> Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle >> >> Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar >> >> I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. >> >> Happy Easter! >> Uko >> >> P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours) >

April 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Pillar in TextMate

by Benjamin

Cool :) I will definitely have a look :) Ben On 20 Apr 2014, at 08:35, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Dear guys who use Pillar. > > Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle > > Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar > > I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. > > Happy Easter! > Uko > > P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)

April 21, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

by Ignacio Sniechowski

Yuriy Great! Thanks. This is great news! I use TextMate a lot for editing Pillar files. best Nacho *Lic. Ignacio Sniechowski, MBA* On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 6:35 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com> wrote: > Dear guys who use Pillar. > > Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You > can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle > > Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs > crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: > language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar > > I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. > > Happy Easter! > Uko > > P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours) >

April 20, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar in TextMate

by Norbert Hartl

What does it do? Norbert > Am 20.04.2014 um 08:35 schrieb Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com>: > > Dear guys who use Pillar. > > Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle > > Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar > > I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. > > Happy Easter! > Uko > > P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)

April 20, 2014

Pillar in TextMate

by Yuriy Tymchuk

Dear guys who use Pillar. Iâm happy to announce that Iâve created a small bundle for TextMate. You can find it here: https://github.com/Uko/Pillar.tmbundle Also Iâve exported it to ATOM (new editor from github) package, but itâs crappy because ATOM lacks some stuff right not. Package is called: language-pillar, source is here: https://github.com/Uko/language-pillar I will be happy to hear your feedback, and add more features. Happy Easter! Uko P.S. (wonât be online for â30hours)

April 20, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] tiny survey: who uses Pharo Launcher?

by Sergi Reyner

2014-04-19 13:32 GMT+01:00 Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > Hi, > We want to know a bit more about Pharo Launcher, so please, answer this > three points if you are using it: > > 1) which platform are you using? > Gentoo Linux 64-bit > 2) is the experience satisfactory/easy enough? > Yes. > 3) do you have some feedback for us (bah, for Damien :P)? > There are some things that could be improved, in my opinion, such as: - Location of the images Currently I have the launcher files on ~/launcher, and a symbolic link ~/launcher/images pointing to wherever the actual images are stored (I already forgot where). - Updating of the launcher image itself As far as I can tell there is no simple way to do it, but I may be using a too old version or something :) On the other hand there are some nice side-effects such as having to install additional files, like libsodium.so, in just one place and every image will be able to use them. As for the ubuntu package, IÂ´m not using any of them. While I agree that having a package is good, even if itÂ´s just for visibility, I prefer the increased flexibility of having this kind of things in a folder inside the home of whoever is going to use it (my home for development, /srv/pier for a pier installation, etc..). Cheers, Sergi

April 19, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] tiny survey: who uses Pharo Launcher?

by Laurent Laffont

Hi Esteban, I use only Pharo Launcher for several months: 1/ ArchLinux, 64 bits 2/ Yes, great improvement in managing images 3/ Suggestions: - show created & last opened date for existing images. Option to sort by date or alphabetically - add a comment field for existing images so I could remember why I have this image - add a search field for templates & existing images - bookmark some templates (I often download Seaside or Phratch, tired to scroll down) - get the descriptions of the jenkins jobs to know what each template is about - notification that a new version of PharoLauncher is available - manage common preferences in PharoLauncher: - shared package-cache - prepare each new image with a set of Metacello configuration & preferences Laurent Le samedi 19 avril 2014, 14:32:18 Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > Hi, > We want to know a bit more about Pharo Launcher, so please, answer this three points if you are using it: > > 1) which platform are you using? > 2) is the experience satisfactory/easy enough? > 3) do you have some feedback for us (bah, for Damien :P)? > > thanks, > Esteban

April 19, 2014