February 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by phil＠highoctane.be

Guys, >From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in the kindergarten. All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. Backwards, there is a fair chance. Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). Phil On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Janko, > > I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC > but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). > So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last > year BUT we were willing to spend it. > > Luc > > > 2014-02-09 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: > >> Dear all, >> >> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be >> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided. >> >> Facts namely are: >> >> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while >> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report >> back to GSoC mentors, >> >> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for >> paying extra projects [2][3]. >> >> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: >> >> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >> ------------------------------ >> 13.000 USD >> >> Expenses: >> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD >> >> Difference: + 4.000 USD >> >> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any >> money but gain 4.000 USD. >> >> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to >> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! >> >> Janko >> >> [1] >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg >> [2] >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 >> [3] >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw >> >> >> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piÅ¡e Luc Fabresse: >> > Hi all, >> > >> > ------------ >> > FACTS >> > >> > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. >> > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC >> > projects in 2013. >> > >> > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by >> Google. >> > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. >> > >> > All in all we paid: >> > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each >> > projects >> > - Serge trip to Mentor summit >> > >> > And we received 5552EUR from Google >> > >> > so yes we lost ~6582EUR >> > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we >> > sponsorized 3. >> > >> > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor >> > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG >> > ang gives slots the next year. >> > >> > It is alos important to note dates. >> > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. >> > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. >> > >> > ------------ >> > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: >> > >> > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time >> > and it takes a lot! >> > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) >> > is a really great language that should be more widespread. >> > >> > I also completely open to discussions. >> > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. >> > I can do errors too. >> > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! >> > >> > I cannot admit that: >> > >> > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed >> > against the treasurer so me. >> > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or >> > steal money make me think that I should better quit. >> > >> > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a >> > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for >> > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any >> > >> > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I >> > am spending my week-end with my kids >> > >> > >> > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. >> > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together >> > if any. >> > But I think it will never happen... >> > >> > #Luc >> > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood >> > >> >> >> -- >> Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> > >

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Luc Fabresse

Hi Janko, I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last year BUT we were willing to spend it. Luc 2014-02-09 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: > Dear all, > > First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be > blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided. > > Facts namely are: > > 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while > ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report > back to GSoC mentors, > > 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for > paying extra projects [2][3]. > > Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: > > Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > ------------------------------ > 13.000 USD > > Expenses: > Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD > > Difference: + 4.000 USD > > If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any > money but gain 4.000 USD. > > Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to > you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! > > Janko > > [1] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg > [2] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 > [3] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw > > > Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piÅ¡e Luc Fabresse: > > Hi all, > > > > ------------ > > FACTS > > > > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. > > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC > > projects in 2013. > > > > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. > > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. > > > > All in all we paid: > > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each > > projects > > - Serge trip to Mentor summit > > > > And we received 5552EUR from Google > > > > so yes we lost ~6582EUR > > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we > > sponsorized 3. > > > > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor > > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG > > ang gives slots the next year. > > > > It is alos important to note dates. > > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. > > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. > > > > ------------ > > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: > > > > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time > > and it takes a lot! > > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) > > is a really great language that should be more widespread. > > > > I also completely open to discussions. > > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. > > I can do errors too. > > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! > > > > I cannot admit that: > > > > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed > > against the treasurer so me. > > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or > > steal money make me think that I should better quit. > > > > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a > > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for > > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any > > > > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I > > am spending my week-end with my kids > > > > > > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. > > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together > > if any. > > But I think it will never happen... > > > > #Luc > > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood > > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [launcher] to manage StartupLoader scripts

by Damien Cassou

> The simplest first thing might be just having a button in Preferences which opened the appropriate system folder outside of Pharo - similar to how "Show in folder" works for images. You can expriment on this if you want. If the user has no script yet, you can propose to create a default one.

Feb. 10, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Dear all, First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided. Facts namely are: 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report back to GSoC mentors, 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for paying extra projects [2][3]. Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD ------------------------------ 13.000 USD Expenses: Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD Difference: + 4.000 USD If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any money but gain 4.000 USD. Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! Janko [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 [3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piÅ¡e Luc Fabresse: > Hi all, > > ------------ > FACTS > > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC > projects in 2013. > > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. > > All in all we paid: > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each > projects > - Serge trip to Mentor summit > > And we received 5552EUR from Google > > so yes we lost ~6582EUR > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we > sponsorized 3. > > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor > summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG > ang gives slots the next year. > > It is alos important to note dates. > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. > > ------------ > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: > > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time > and it takes a lot! > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) > is a really great language that should be more widespread. > > I also completely open to discussions. > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. > I can do errors too. > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! > > I cannot admit that: > > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed > against the treasurer so me. > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or > steal money make me think that I should better quit. > > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any > > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I > am spending my week-end with my kids > > > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together > if any. > But I think it will never happen... > > #Luc > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

Feb. 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Xs&Os game

by ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½

Thanks for comment. I'll fix all problems and change everything you mentioned, hope to succeed in it. Mark 2014-02-09 22:51 GMT+02:00 Pharo4Stef <pharo4Stef(a)free.fr>: > Hi mark > > I read a bit your code > > It is nice for a first project!!!! > > Here are some feedback. I suggest that you take into account the easy one > and produce a new version and if you want to > train your skills you try to see how to address the difficult ones. > > Stef > > > > - Add it in the class comment > XsAndOsGame new openInWorld. > > - you have some unclassified protocols on the class side. > > - you may want to run smallLint (criticBorwser on your code and see the > hints that it can give you). > > - When you create a new game do not move the window to the top corner :) > > easyBtn -> easyButton (you do not pay per character :)) > > findEmptyCellPos -> findEmptyCellPosition > not in accessing > > impBtn -> impossibleButton > > .... :) > - Why do you need a separate class just for three colors? > I would merge > XsAndOsGameColors and XsAndOsGame > > XsAndOsGame>>initialize is long > May be you should extract some methods from it (methods that you can then > reuse for other tasks) > > > renderOContents > | delta offset x1 y1 x2 y2 rect | > delta := CellRenderer cellExtent - 1. > offset := self offsetWithinGridForm. > x1 := offset x + self oCorner x. > x2 := offset x + delta x - self oCorner x. > y1 := offset y + self oCorner y. > y2 := offset y + delta y - self oCorner y. > rect := Rectangle new setOrigin: x1 @ y1 corner: x2 @ y2. > self targetForm getCanvas > fillOval: rect > color: XsAndOsGameColors gameBoardBackgroundColor > borderWidth: 3 > borderColor: XsAndOsGameColors OColor > > What do you refer to CellRenderer direcly? self class ? > > > rendererFor: aCell > "VERY BAD IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS METHOD!!!" > > aCell class = EmptyCell > ifTrue: [ ^ CellRenderer ]. > aCell class = XCell > ifTrue: [ ^ XCellRenderer ]. > aCell class = OCell > ifTrue: [ ^ OCellRenderer ] > > indeed :) > why not implementing some methods call renderClass and sending a message > to the object :) > > mptyCell>>initialize > super initialize. > > > > CellRenderer>>offsetWithinGridForm > "Returns a point - left top corner of current cell" > > ^ CellRenderer cellExtent * ((self cellLocation x - 1) @ (self > cellLocation y - 1)) > => self clas cellExtent > > CellRenderer >> renderBorderBottom > | delta offset x1 y1 x2 y2 | > delta := CellRenderer cellExtent - 1. > offset := self offsetWithinGridForm. > x1 := offset x. > x2 := x1 + delta x. > y1 := offset y + delta y. > y2 := y1. > self targetForm getCanvas > line: x1 @ y1 > to: x2 @ y2 > width: 1 > color: XsAndOsGameColors cellBorderColor > > => > CellRenderer >> renderBorderBottom > | delta offset x1 y1 x2 y2 | > delta := self class cellExtent - 1. > offset := self offsetWithinGridForm. > x1 := offset x. > x2 := x1 + delta x. > y1 := offset y + delta y. > y2 := y1. > self targetForm getCanvas > line: x1 @ y1 > to: x2 @ y2 > width: 1 > color: XsAndOsGameColors cellBorderColor > > > I was wondering why you need Grid (I would rename it CellGrid) and do not > use a Matrix. > > grid sizeOfGrid > -> I would rename sizeOfGrid into size like that your grid can be a bit > more polymorphic from its API point of view > > > makeGameBoarMorph > -> typo :) > Now I want wondering why you do not have an instance variable to hold it > > > Future fun ideas for new versions: > -------------------------------------------- > playerVsComputer > self vsComputer > ifTrue: [ > self vsComputer: false. > self stateMorph contents: 'Player 1 VS Player 2' ] > ifFalse: [ > self vsComputer: true. > self stateMorph contents: 'Player VS Computer ---> Difficulty: ' , self > difficulty asString ]. > self vsComputer > ifTrue: [ > self easyBtn enable. > self normalBtn enable. > self impBtn enable ] > ifFalse: [ > self easyBtn disable. > self normalBtn disable. > self impBtn disable ] > This kind of code may be think that may be you need another object that > represent the > TwoUsers > vsComputer > strategy > I'm not sure but clicked look quite long. > May be you should create another class that can represent the logic of the > game. > > A really interesting exercise would be to see how you can create a > boardGame for 15*15 and see how it breaks some hidden rules. > On 08 Feb 2014, at 15:07, ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Updated XsAndOsGame: added AI, also fixed some problems, that Damien > mentioned in his comments. > Btw, thanks to Damien, because I learned for myself a lot of new useful > things. > Note: The new version is XsAndOsGame (NOT Xs&OsGame) ! > To play it type in workspace: XsAndOsGame new openInWorld. > If you want to play vs computer press button "ToggleMode" and choose > difficulty. Initially it is easy. > > Mark > > > 2014-02-05 15:57 GMT+02:00 ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com>: > >> Thanks, I'll certainly take a look at it >> >> >> 2014-02-05 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: >> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM, ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > I should think how to write this tutorial. >>> >>> >>> on the technical point of view, I advise you to use Pillar: >>> http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier/Pillar >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >>> >> > >

Feb. 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Xs&Os game

by Pharo4Stef

Hi mark I read a bit your code It is nice for a first project!!!! Here are some feedback. I suggest that you take into account the easy one and produce a new version and if you want to train your skills you try to see how to address the difficult ones. Stef - Add it in the class comment XsAndOsGame new openInWorld. - you have some unclassified protocols on the class side. - you may want to run smallLint (criticBorwser on your code and see the hints that it can give you). - When you create a new game do not move the window to the top corner :) easyBtn -> easyButton (you do not pay per character :)) findEmptyCellPos -> findEmptyCellPosition not in accessing impBtn -> impossibleButton â¦. :) - Why do you need a separate class just for three colors? I would merge XsAndOsGameColors and XsAndOsGame XsAndOsGame>>initialize is long May be you should extract some methods from it (methods that you can then reuse for other tasks) renderOContents | delta offset x1 y1 x2 y2 rect | delta := CellRenderer cellExtent - 1. offset := self offsetWithinGridForm. x1 := offset x + self oCorner x. x2 := offset x + delta x - self oCorner x. y1 := offset y + self oCorner y. y2 := offset y + delta y - self oCorner y. rect := Rectangle new setOrigin: x1 @ y1 corner: x2 @ y2. self targetForm getCanvas fillOval: rect color: XsAndOsGameColors gameBoardBackgroundColor borderWidth: 3 borderColor: XsAndOsGameColors OColor What do you refer to CellRenderer direcly? self class ? rendererFor: aCell "VERY BAD IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS METHOD!!!" aCell class = EmptyCell ifTrue: [ ^ CellRenderer ]. aCell class = XCell ifTrue: [ ^ XCellRenderer ]. aCell class = OCell ifTrue: [ ^ OCellRenderer ] indeed :) why not implementing some methods call renderClass and sending a message to the object :) mptyCell>>initialize super initialize. CellRenderer>>offsetWithinGridForm "Returns a point - left top corner of current cell" ^ CellRenderer cellExtent * ((self cellLocation x - 1) @ (self cellLocation y - 1)) => self clas cellExtent CellRenderer >> renderBorderBottom | delta offset x1 y1 x2 y2 | delta := CellRenderer cellExtent - 1. offset := self offsetWithinGridForm. x1 := offset x. x2 := x1 + delta x. y1 := offset y + delta y. y2 := y1. self targetForm getCanvas line: x1 @ y1 to: x2 @ y2 width: 1 color: XsAndOsGameColors cellBorderColor => CellRenderer >> renderBorderBottom | delta offset x1 y1 x2 y2 | delta := self class cellExtent - 1. offset := self offsetWithinGridForm. x1 := offset x. x2 := x1 + delta x. y1 := offset y + delta y. y2 := y1. self targetForm getCanvas line: x1 @ y1 to: x2 @ y2 width: 1 color: XsAndOsGameColors cellBorderColor I was wondering why you need Grid (I would rename it CellGrid) and do not use a Matrix. grid sizeOfGrid -> I would rename sizeOfGrid into size like that your grid can be a bit more polymorphic from its API point of view makeGameBoarMorph -> typo :) Now I want wondering why you do not have an instance variable to hold it Future fun ideas for new versions: ââââââââââââââââââââââ playerVsComputer self vsComputer ifTrue: [ self vsComputer: false. self stateMorph contents: 'Player 1 VS Player 2' ] ifFalse: [ self vsComputer: true. self stateMorph contents: 'Player VS Computer ---> Difficulty: ' , self difficulty asString ]. self vsComputer ifTrue: [ self easyBtn enable. self normalBtn enable. self impBtn enable ] ifFalse: [ self easyBtn disable. self normalBtn disable. self impBtn disable ] This kind of code may be think that may be you need another object that represent the TwoUsers vsComputer strategy Iâm not sure but clicked look quite long. May be you should create another class that can represent the logic of the game. A really interesting exercise would be to see how you can create a boardGame for 15*15 and see how it breaks some hidden rules. On 08 Feb 2014, at 15:07, ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Updated XsAndOsGame: added AI, also fixed some problems, that Damien mentioned in his comments. > Btw, thanks to Damien, because I learned for myself a lot of new useful things. > Note: The new version is XsAndOsGame (NOT Xs&OsGame) ! > To play it type in workspace: XsAndOsGame new openInWorld. > If you want to play vs computer press button "ToggleMode" and choose difficulty. Initially it is easy. > > Mark > > > 2014-02-05 15:57 GMT+02:00 ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com>: > Thanks, I'll certainly take a look at it > > > 2014-02-05 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: > > On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 8:58 PM, ÐÐ°ÑÐºÑÑÐ½ Ð ÑÐ·ÑÐ½ <mrizun(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I should think how to write this tutorial. > > > on the technical point of view, I advise you to use Pillar: > http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pier/Pillar > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > > >

Feb. 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Luc, I think many people, if not most, including myself very much appreciate all the work that you and others have been doing behind the scenes. Thank you ! Things, even small ones, do not happen by themselves. Running an international organisation is not a small thing. ESUG certainly has a nice track record. Sven On 09 Feb 2014, at 17:26, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > ------------ > FACTS > > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC projects in 2013. > > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. > > All in all we paid: > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each projects > - Serge trip to Mentor summit > > And we received 5552EUR from Google > > so yes we lost ~6582EUR > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we sponsorized 3. > > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG ang gives slots the next year. > > It is alos important to note dates. > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. > > ------------ > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: > > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time and it takes a lot! > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) is a really great language that should be more widespread. > > I also completely open to discussions. > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. > I can do errors too. > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! > > I cannot admit that: > > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed against the treasurer so me. > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or steal money make me think that I should better quit. > > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any > > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I am spending my week-end with my kids > > > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together if any. > But I think it will never happen... > > #Luc > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood > > > <2013-GsocSupportFromESUG.pdf>

Feb. 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo3 Status Video from Fosdem on Youtube

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 09 Feb 2014, at 17:52, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > The Pharo3 Status presentation is online: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=son_bhZ93ec > > > Marcus Thx, Marcus, very nice: the talk and the recording !

Feb. 9, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Xs&Os game

by kilon alios

"You mean that I should add some background on the place where the text is?" yes exactly. Try to hover the window over another window like a Nautilus window to see why thats a problem.

Feb. 9, 2014

Pharo3 Status Video from Fosdem on Youtube

by Marcus Denker

Hi, The Pharo3 Status presentation is online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=son_bhZ93ec Marcus

Feb. 9, 2014