December 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Tudor Girba

Indeed, this is a terrible problem. I did not manage to find out what the problem is unfortunately. It seems to be some memory leak of pier or something like that. I refreshed the server and it works now. Sorry for the trouble. I will try to migrate my websites to a more stable technology :(. Cheers, Doru On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas < offray(a)riseup.net> wrote: > Sadly I got again: > > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > Service Temporarily Unavailable > > The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to > maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. > Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at www.humane-assessment.com Port 80 > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > That is becoming kind of the default answer of Moose related sites. Agile > Visualization is my first introduction for these technologies because its > approach is wider and the web site is reliable, but there is a lot of > knowledge put on blog post like the ones that Doru is sharing now that just > became randomly accesible (some times the site is up, some times is down). > > Access to moose sites ss a problem with months now. Hopefully this will be > solved with a reliable hosting to spreed better this technology and its > ideas. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > > El 01/12/14 a las #4, Tudor Girba escribiÃ³: > >> Interesting that you are asking that question. This basically means that >> the >> whole philosophy of the GTInspector did not get communicated well. We >> have to >> work on this because I think GTInspector is the most significant step in >> object >> inspection since the introduction of the original inspector. >> >> So, here is the main page: >> http://gt.moosetechnology.org >> >> Here is the introduction: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/the-moldable- >> gtinspector-deconstructed/ >> >> Some examples: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector/ >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with- >> gtinspector-video/ >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-morph- >> keybindings-with-gtinspector/ >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/assessing-pharo- >> performance-with-gtinspector/ >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration- >> of-a-postgres-db-with-the-gtinspector/ >> >> How to manage the extensions: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ >> >> And a more thorough list: >> https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahumane-assessment. >> com%20gtinspector >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:21 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> "Take the inspector for example. It is a tiny piece of code that can >> be >> extended in many ways and in doing so, it can support various >> workflows." >> >> What is its API and where is documented ? >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Sadly I got again: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at www.humane-assessment.com Port 80 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- That is becoming kind of the default answer of Moose related sites. Agile Visualization is my first introduction for these technologies because its approach is wider and the web site is reliable, but there is a lot of knowledge put on blog post like the ones that Doru is sharing now that just became randomly accesible (some times the site is up, some times is down). Access to moose sites ss a problem with months now. Hopefully this will be solved with a reliable hosting to spreed better this technology and its ideas. Cheers, Offray El 01/12/14 a las #4, Tudor Girba escribiÃ³: > Interesting that you are asking that question. This basically means that the > whole philosophy of the GTInspector did not get communicated well. We have to > work on this because I think GTInspector is the most significant step in object > inspection since the introduction of the original inspector. > > So, here is the main page: > http://gt.moosetechnology.org > > Here is the introduction: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/the-moldable-gtinspector-deconstructe… > > Some examples: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector/ > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-morph-keybindings-with-gtins… > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/assessing-pharo-performance-with-gtin… > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… > > How to manage the extensions: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ > > And a more thorough list: > https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahumane-assessment.com%20gtinspector > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:21 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com > <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > "Take the inspector for example. It is a tiny piece of code that can be > extended in many ways and in doing so, it can support various workflows." > > What is its API and where is documented ? > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com <http://www.tudorgirba.com> > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Tudor Girba

Interesting that you are asking that question. This basically means that the whole philosophy of the GTInspector did not get communicated well. We have to work on this because I think GTInspector is the most significant step in object inspection since the introduction of the original inspector. So, here is the main page: http://gt.moosetechnology.org Here is the introduction: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/the-moldable-gtinspector-deconstructe… Some examples: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector/ http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-morph-keybindings-with-gtins… http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/assessing-pharo-performance-with-gtin… http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-… How to manage the extensions: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ And a more thorough list: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ahumane-assessment.com%20gtinspector Cheers, Doru On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 1:21 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Take the inspector for example. It is a tiny piece of code that can be > extended in many ways and in doing so, it can support various workflows." > > What is its API and where is documented ? > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by kilon alios

"Take the inspector for example. It is a tiny piece of code that can be extended in many ways and in doing so, it can support various workflows." What is its API and where is documented ?

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Tudor Girba

Hi, This is precisely the direction that the IDE of Pharo is taking. Take the inspector for example. It is a tiny piece of code that can be extended in many ways and in doing so, it can support various workflows. The same is actually available already for the debugger (GTDebugger) although this is not yet integrated. And more is coming. Eventually, we will also get to the code browser :). Doru On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 12:54 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "A Moldable system browser? > > The old system browser is dynamic, in a way: class / hierarchy / full. > Changes based on what was your focus. The message list as well, the finder > UI as well. But... complex, not that convincing." > > yes exactly . Why bother making a system browser that can do tons of > things when you can build a browser that is easy to customise gui wise and > features wise ? Users will come and extend it far beyond that what a > few developers can do. > > Same as games really, you have something like Skyrim and then you have > like tons of mods for it that some are even better than the game itself. > > I think generally what Pharo lacks is an ADDONS API like Blender. An API > that would make it easy for users to customise Pharo on the fly. Of course > its really good that we have such direct and live access to the source code > of Pharo but sometimes you dont want to learn a ton of stuff to change just > a few bits. > > On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Thierry Goubier < > thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Le 29/11/2014 11:39, kilon alios a Ã©crit : >> >>> >>> "- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to >>> use both." >>> >>> thats an annoyance for me too, I would like to be given the option to >>> choose what browser I want to use depending on the situation. >>> >> >> Doing that is just triggering a nice bug in Pharo 3. >> >> There is apparently no real API for unregistering a tool... >> >> Also your comment on the comments is a valid one, I think we need a more >>> dynamic browser in general which currently Pharo lacks, that does not >>> try to choose for us how to do coding and instead gives us the choices . >>> Of course dynamic browsers are more effort. >>> >> >> A Moldable system browser? >> >> The old system browser is dynamic, in a way: class / hierarchy / full. >> Changes based on what was your focus. The message list as well, the finder >> UI as well. But... complex, not that convincing. >> >> Thierry >> >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by kilon alios

"A Moldable system browser? The old system browser is dynamic, in a way: class / hierarchy / full. Changes based on what was your focus. The message list as well, the finder UI as well. But... complex, not that convincing." yes exactly . Why bother making a system browser that can do tons of things when you can build a browser that is easy to customise gui wise and features wise ? Users will come and extend it far beyond that what a few developers can do. Same as games really, you have something like Skyrim and then you have like tons of mods for it that some are even better than the game itself. I think generally what Pharo lacks is an ADDONS API like Blender. An API that would make it easy for users to customise Pharo on the fly. Of course its really good that we have such direct and live access to the source code of Pharo but sometimes you dont want to learn a ton of stuff to change just a few bits. On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 6:21 PM, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Le 29/11/2014 11:39, kilon alios a Ã©crit : > >> >> "- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to >> use both." >> >> thats an annoyance for me too, I would like to be given the option to >> choose what browser I want to use depending on the situation. >> > > Doing that is just triggering a nice bug in Pharo 3. > > There is apparently no real API for unregistering a tool... > > Also your comment on the comments is a valid one, I think we need a more >> dynamic browser in general which currently Pharo lacks, that does not >> try to choose for us how to do coding and instead gives us the choices . >> Of course dynamic browsers are more effort. >> > > A Moldable system browser? > > The old system browser is dynamic, in a way: class / hierarchy / full. > Changes based on what was your focus. The message list as well, the finder > UI as well. But... complex, not that convincing. > > Thierry > >

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 01 Dec 2014, at 10:50, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Remember, AltBrowser is clearly the best, so I won't provide a way back to the old ways :):):) That's the spirit !

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Thierry Goubier

2014-12-01 10:32 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > On 01 Dec 2014, at 10:26, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > 2014-12-01 10:19 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > >> >> The mechanism is very simple... if you remove a tool and then use it, there >> will be a DNU. >> (it should open instead window and tell that no tool is installed) >> > > In fact, it's worse: it DNUs even if you still have some tools installed, > just because you unregistered one of them. > > i.e. With AltBrowser installed, you have four browsers in your image: > SystemBrowser, Nautilus, PackageTreeNautilus, and AltBrowser. If you > unregister AltBrowser, you have a DNU, even if you have the three others > still available. > > Yes, as they are there but not registered. ToolRegistry just knows about > the *last* tool registered. If you unregister that, there is none > (this is why ToolRegistry needs to be extended to remember all and just > have the last be the default) > I disagree. Just force an interactive choice feels a lot better to me (and far simpler). Otherwise you'll see people jokeying for order for their tool, and anyway you have to provide a user setting. A cool one: open the settings browser at the right place, instead of creating an ad-hoc dialog. Reuse code + GUI familiarity + less lines of code. There is apparently some magic in the world menu to trigger a user-driven choice among existing tools, but I don't know how to trigger that. No, the only thing it does is to execute all the methods (in a some > un-defined order). The last tool's #registerToolsOn: then will be the one > that ToolRegistry knows about. > There is somewhere a user-query that you can trigger under some circumstances. But I could not find it. I'll have a look. I noticed that unloading AltBrowser was a very nice way to end up with a dead Pharo image :( Remember, AltBrowser is clearly the best, so I won't provide a way back to the old ways :):):) Thierry > > > Marcus > >

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Marcus Denker

> On 01 Dec 2014, at 10:26, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 2014-12-01 10:19 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr <mailto:marcus.denker@inria.fr>>: > > The mechanism is very simpleâ¦ if you remove a tool and then use it, there will be a DNU. > (it should open instead window and tell that no tool is installed) > > In fact, it's worse: it DNUs even if you still have some tools installed, just because you unregistered one of them. > > i.e. With AltBrowser installed, you have four browsers in your image: SystemBrowser, Nautilus, PackageTreeNautilus, and AltBrowser. If you unregister AltBrowser, you have a DNU, even if you have the three others still available. > Yes, as they are there but not registered. ToolRegistry just knows about the *last* tool registered. If you unregister that, there is none (this is why ToolRegistry needs to be extended to remember all and just have the last be the default) > There is apparently some magic in the world menu to trigger a user-driven choice among existing tools, but I don't know how to trigger that. > No, the only thing it does is to execute all the methods (in a some un-defined order). The last toolâs #registerToolsOn: then will be the one that ToolRegistry knows about. Marcus

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Thierry Goubier

2014-12-01 10:19 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > The mechanism is very simple... if you remove a tool and then use it, there > will be a DNU. > (it should open instead window and tell that no tool is installed) > In fact, it's worse: it DNUs even if you still have some tools installed, just because you unregistered one of them. i.e. With AltBrowser installed, you have four browsers in your image: SystemBrowser, Nautilus, PackageTreeNautilus, and AltBrowser. If you unregister AltBrowser, you have a DNU, even if you have the three others still available. There is apparently some magic in the world menu to trigger a user-driven choice among existing tools, but I don't know how to trigger that. Thierry > > Marcus >

Dec. 1, 2014