December 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by kilon alios

"In my image, I have 144 such extensions taking on average 9 lines of code." Impressive then apparently GT tools goes exactly the direction I wanted. I was aware of Glamour but to be frank I have not seen anyone else use it but you guys so I was kinda sceptical about it and did not took it very seriously. I was not aware that GT tools were built on top of Glamour and this certainly gives it more credit, I thought it was merely for making custom browsers looks like its a lot more than that. Thank you Tudor you gave me a lot of to read. I definetly when to develop my tools and libraries in sync to the direction Pharo is going so I can take advantage of the existing code and not reinvent the wheel. So now I will sit down and study all these technologies and see how I can utilise them better in my workflow. Thank you for you hard work and taking the time explaining. On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:29 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > On 01 Dec 2014, at 23:06, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > Glamour is an engine by itself, but for the inspector you mainly need > the presentations, which are essentially widgets that can be parameterized > through blocks. A custom presentation like this typically requires one > method. If you want to get examples of how to apply it for the inspector, > you can use the inspector to answer that question, as described here: > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ > > Yes, yes, very nice. >

Dec. 2, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 01 Dec 2014, at 23:06, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > Glamour is an engine by itself, but for the inspector you mainly need the presentations, which are essentially widgets that can be parameterized through blocks. A custom presentation like this typically requires one method. If you want to get examples of how to apply it for the inspector, you can use the inspector to answer that question, as described here: > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ Yes, yes, very nice.

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Tudor Girba

Indeed. Can anyone help me with doing this? Doru On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Hilaire <hilaire(a)drgeo.eu> wrote: > Le 01/12/2014 15:09, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > > > > Sorry for the trouble. I will try to migrate my websites to a more > > stable technology :(. > > > > Not perfect, but you can set a cron to restart it daily. > > Hilaire > > -- > Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu > iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Tudor Girba

Hi Kilon, Indeed, I was not explicit about the API. As Thierry said, the API is Glamour. Glamour is described in two book chapters: - http://www.themoosebook.org/book/internals/glamour/ - Glamour chapter in Deep Into Pharo More examples on how to use Glamour can be found directly in code. For example, just download a Moose 5.0 image and do: GLMBasicExamples open Glamour is an engine by itself, but for the inspector you mainly need the presentations, which are essentially widgets that can be parameterized through blocks. A custom presentation like this typically requires one method. If you want to get examples of how to apply it for the inspector, you can use the inspector to answer that question, as described here: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ In my image, I have 144 such extensions taking on average 9 lines of code. This inspector is a piece of the future of the IDE and it embodies the metaphor of moldability that we introduced, according to which tools have to become dead cheap to extend and customize during development (you can actually extend the inspector from within the inspector). This enables new ways of approaching problems that are not possible in classic environments. You can get some more insight of the direction we are taking by watching the talks from gt.moosetechnology.org. Cheers, Doru On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 8:28 PM, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "But I don't understand it that well either, I just look at examples: > find another inspector pane that looks or acts the way you want and go from > there." > > I think its reasonable to assume that if someone does not find > documentation will at least try to find examples. But example dont tell the > full story , they dont describe intent, the why and the how, they only > describe the what. > > In any case thanks for the pointers, I have not considered GTInspector and > GT tools and I should have because they really back some very useful > features and they seem quite customisable. > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Hilaire

Le 01/12/2014 15:09, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > > Sorry for the trouble. I will try to migrate my websites to a more > stable technology :(. > Not perfect, but you can set a cron to restart it daily. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by kilon alios

"But I don't understand it that well either, I just look at examples: find another inspector pane that looks or acts the way you want and go from there." I think its reasonable to assume that if someone does not find documentation will at least try to find examples. But example dont tell the full story , they dont describe intent, the why and the how, they only describe the what. In any case thanks for the pointers, I have not considered GTInspector and GT tools and I should have because they really back some very useful features and they seem quite customisable.

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

But I don't understand it that well either, I just look at examples: find another inspector pane that looks or acts the way you want and go from there. > On 01 Dec 2014, at 16:17, Thierry Goubier <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > And, yes, as explained in Doru's blog, it looks very simple. In practice, you need a bit more than that (i.e. you have to know how to create Glamour presentations). > > > Use the source, Luke ! > >> On 01 Dec 2014, at 16:00, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> "So, here is the main page:" >> >> thanks for links really impressive what you trying to do with GT tools, but I still cannot find documentation about the API of extending GT-Inspector >> >> following your link here http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ >> GTInspector class>>gtInspectorExtensionsIn: composite >> <gtInspectorPresentationOrder: 40> >> composite list >> title: 'Extensions'; >> display: [ >> (Object withAllSubclasses flatCollect: [ :each | >> (Pragma >> allNamed: #gtInspectorPresentationOrder: >> in: each) >> collect: [:p | p method asRingDefinition] ]) sorted ]; >> format: #gtDisplayString; >> filterOn: [ :text :each | >> each gtDisplayString includesSubstring: text caseSensitive: false ] >> >> for example I have tried this and works fine and well, but since does not tell me anything about the API , for example what composite is, or where title and display come to play and generally how I can use this customisability for my classes. Your other dont help on this issue either. >> I did not know that you can use GTInspector as a browser replacement. I am impressed :) >

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Thierry Goubier

2014-12-01 16:10 GMT+01:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu>: > Use the Finder tool and search for all gtInspectorPresentationOrder > pragma's: > > > These are the actual custom inspectors. > I think what this means is that the true API of GTInspector is the Glamour API. And, yes, as explained in Doru's blog, it looks very simple. In practice, you need a bit more than that (i.e. you have to know how to create Glamour presentations). > Use the source, Luke ! > > On 01 Dec 2014, at 16:00, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > "So, here is the main page:" > > thanks for links really impressive what you trying to do with GT tools, > but I still cannot find documentation about the API of extending > GT-Inspector > > following your link here > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ > GTInspector class>>gtInspectorExtensionsIn: composite > <gtInspectorPresentationOrder: 40> > composite list > title: 'Extensions'; > display: [ > (Object withAllSubclasses flatCollect: [ :each | > (Pragma > allNamed: #gtInspectorPresentationOrder: > in: each) > collect: [:p | p method asRingDefinition] ]) sorted ]; > format: #gtDisplayString; > filterOn: [ :text :each | > each gtDisplayString includesSubstring: text caseSensitive: false ] > > for example I have tried this and works fine and well, but since does not > tell me anything about the API , for example what composite is, or where > title and display come to play and generally how I can use this > customisability for my classes. Your other dont help on this issue either. > I did not know that you can use GTInspector as a browser replacement. I am > impressed :) > > I told you :) Thierry

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Use the Finder tool and search for all gtInspectorPresentationOrder pragma's: These are the actual custom inspectors. Use the source, Luke ! > On 01 Dec 2014, at 16:00, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > "So, here is the main page:" > > thanks for links really impressive what you trying to do with GT tools, but I still cannot find documentation about the API of extending GT-Inspector > > following your link here http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ > GTInspector class>>gtInspectorExtensionsIn: composite > <gtInspectorPresentationOrder: 40> > composite list > title: 'Extensions'; > display: [ > (Object withAllSubclasses flatCollect: [ :each | > (Pragma > allNamed: #gtInspectorPresentationOrder: > in: each) > collect: [:p | p method asRingDefinition] ]) sorted ]; > format: #gtDisplayString; > filterOn: [ :text :each | > each gtDisplayString includesSubstring: text caseSensitive: false ] > > for example I have tried this and works fine and well, but since does not tell me anything about the API , for example what composite is, or where title and display come to play and generally how I can use this customisability for my classes. Your other dont help on this issue either. > I did not know that you can use GTInspector as a browser replacement. I am impressed :)

Dec. 1, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by kilon alios

"So, here is the main page:" thanks for links really impressive what you trying to do with GT tools, but I still cannot find documentation about the API of extending GT-Inspector following your link here http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/managing-gtinspector-extensions/ GTInspector class>>gtInspectorExtensionsIn: composite <gtInspectorPresentationOrder: 40> composite list title: 'Extensions'; display: [ (Object withAllSubclasses flatCollect: [ :each | (Pragma allNamed: #gtInspectorPresentationOrder: in: each) collect: [:p | p method asRingDefinition] ]) sorted ]; format: #gtDisplayString; filterOn: [ :text :each | each gtDisplayString includesSubstring: text caseSensitive: false ] for example I have tried this and works fine and well, but since does not tell me anything about the API , for example what composite is, or where title and display come to play and generally how I can use this customisability for my classes. Your other dont help on this issue either. I did not know that you can use GTInspector as a browser replacement. I am impressed :)

Dec. 1, 2014