November 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by kilon alios

also whats a module ? On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Thanks, > > I can see a choice finder but as far as I can see I cannot use it for > modules. > > Roelof > > > > > kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 21:21: > > start here > > http://pharo.org/documentation > > here a video tutorial series i created > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ > > you can skip first video "Why Pharo" the rest is practical tutorials. > > if you got Pharo 3 or 4 , finder should be in the tools section of world > menu. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> oke, are there books / tutorials I can do so I can understand better >> how smalltalk works. >> >> I was thinking of making a calculator as my first project. >> >> Roelof >> >> >> >> kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 18:34: >> >> yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, >> understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and >> boom your are an expert :) >> >> Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions >> here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that >> finds pharo enjoyable and useful. >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know >>> very well how pharo works. >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: >>> >>> Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books >>> Pharo By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this >>> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ >>> >>> As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing >>> a book about Pharo. :) >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a >>>> expert in Pharo ? >>>> >>>> Roelof >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by kilon alios

can you post a screenshot please of what you see ? also provide the pharo version, os and image release . You can find the release in World Menu > System > About On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Thanks, > > I can see a choice finder but as far as I can see I cannot use it for > modules. > > Roelof > > > > > kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 21:21: > > start here > > http://pharo.org/documentation > > here a video tutorial series i created > > https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ > > you can skip first video "Why Pharo" the rest is practical tutorials. > > if you got Pharo 3 or 4 , finder should be in the tools section of world > menu. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> oke, are there books / tutorials I can do so I can understand better >> how smalltalk works. >> >> I was thinking of making a calculator as my first project. >> >> Roelof >> >> >> >> kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 18:34: >> >> yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, >> understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and >> boom your are an expert :) >> >> Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions >> here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that >> finds pharo enjoyable and useful. >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know >>> very well how pharo works. >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: >>> >>> Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books >>> Pharo By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this >>> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ >>> >>> As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing >>> a book about Pharo. :) >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a >>>> expert in Pharo ? >>>> >>>> Roelof >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Roelof Wobben

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by kilon alios

start here http://pharo.org/documentation here a video tutorial series i created https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqbtQ7OkSta0ULYAd7Qdxof851ybh-_m_ you can skip first video "Why Pharo" the rest is practical tutorials. if you got Pharo 3 or 4 , finder should be in the tools section of world menu. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > oke, are there books / tutorials I can do so I can understand better how > smalltalk works. > > I was thinking of making a calculator as my first project. > > Roelof > > > > kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 18:34: > > yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, > understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and > boom your are an expert :) > > Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions > here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that > finds pharo enjoyable and useful. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> Thanks. >> >> By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know very >> well how pharo works. >> >> Roelof >> >> >> Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: >> >> Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books Pharo >> By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this >> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ >> >> As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing a >> book about Pharo. :) >> >> Peter >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a expert >>> in Pharo ? >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Hilaire

Le 07/11/2014 19:45, Roelof Wobben a Ã©crit : > I did it and run into my first problem. > > There is no method finder in the tools menu. > > Roelof If you are starting with the PharoByExample book, be sure to download the dedicated Pharo image for this book (found in the pharobyexample book). Recent Pharo image may have different menu, tools, etc. Hilaire -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN]: NewExternalWebBrowser

by jannik laval

It seems that there is no NBUnixShell. I have implemented the necessary for Ubuntu, in Phratch. Would you like I push it ? 2014-11-07 14:08 GMT-03:00 Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com>: > Tudor Girba-2 wrote > > Actually, the ability to open a web browser is already present in the > > Pharo > > image out of the box through NativeBoost: > > > > NBMacShell open: 'http://pharo.org' > > NBWin32Shell shellBrowse: 'http://pharo.org' > > Yes, that's what I wrapped :) I just added the behavior directly to ZnUrl > and handled the platform automatically. > > > > ----- > Cheers, > Sean > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/ANN-NewExternalWebBrowser-tp4788403p4788959.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- ~~Jannik Laval~~ Ãcole des Mines de Douai Enseignant-chercheur http://www.jannik-laval.eu http://www.phratch.com http://www.approchealpes.info http://car.mines-douai.fr/

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Roelof Wobben

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Sean P. DeNigris

Peter UhnÃ¡k wrote > Now that you mentioned calculator, have a look at this > https://medium.com/@svenvc/rediscovering-the-ux-of-the-legendary-hp-35-scie… Thanks for the reminder - it is a masterpiece!! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/next-sttep-after-the-example-tutorial-tp4788957p47889… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Now that you mentioned calculator, have a look at this https://medium.com/@svenvc/rediscovering-the-ux-of-the-legendary-hp-35-scie… also this article is great https://medium.com/@svenvc/elegant-pharo-code-bb590f0856d0 But otherwise start with the book Pharo By Example... it should give you everything to get you started. You can download it here http://pharobyexample.org/ Peter On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > oke, are there books / tutorials I can do so I can understand better how > smalltalk works. > > I was thinking of making a calculator as my first project. > > Roelof > > > > kilon alios schreef op 7-11-2014 18:34: > > yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, > understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and > boom your are an expert :) > > Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions > here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that > finds pharo enjoyable and useful. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> Thanks. >> >> By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know very >> well how pharo works. >> >> Roelof >> >> >> Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: >> >> Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books Pharo >> By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this >> http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ >> >> As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing a >> book about Pharo. :) >> >> Peter >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a expert >>> in Pharo ? >>> >>> Roelof >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Roelof Wobben

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by kilon alios

yes, read all the pharo documentation, read the entire pharo code, understand the entire pharo code, make a few hundrend pharo application and boom your are an expert :) Seriously though, do whatever is interesting to you and ask questions here and in stackoverflow. You dont need to be expert , just someone that finds pharo enjoyable and useful. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Thanks. > > By expert I mean I can write and test most of the programms and know very > well how pharo works. > > Roelof > > > Peter UhnÃ¡k schreef op 7-11-2014 18:12: > > Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books Pharo > By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this > http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ > > As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing a > book about Pharo. :) > > Peter > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a expert >> in Pharo ? >> >> Roelof >> >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Roelof Wobben

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] next sttep after the example tutorial

by Peter UhnÃ¡k

Well for start there is this http://pharo.org/documentation (books Pharo By Example + Deep into Pharo + Pharo for the Enterprise) and this http://pharo.gemtalksystems.com/ As far as expertise goes you can probably become an expert by writing a book about Pharo. :) Peter On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Roelof Wobben <r.wobben(a)home.nl> wrote: > Hello, > > Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a expert > in Pharo ? > > Roelof > > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN]: NewExternalWebBrowser

by Sean P. DeNigris

Tudor Girba-2 wrote > Actually, the ability to open a web browser is already present in the > Pharo > image out of the box through NativeBoost: > > NBMacShell open: 'http://pharo.org' > NBWin32Shell shellBrowse: 'http://pharo.org' Yes, that's what I wrapped :) I just added the behavior directly to ZnUrl and handled the platform automatically. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/ANN-NewExternalWebBrowser-tp4788403p4788959.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Nov. 7, 2014

next sttep after the example tutorial

by Roelof Wobben

Hello, Is there a book / tutorial/ challenges that I can use to become a expert in Pharo ? Roelof

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by Werner Kassens

> Is ironic if you think about, Pharo really lacks documentation even in basic areas, > Are you joking? I spend my time writing books and chapters and their quality is quite good. Hi, i think in the meantime the docu _is quite good. i like the deep into pharo book, that also covered basic areas like Blocks (i liked that chapter). btw there are a few other areas where i'd want to read something about: refactoring, the RBSomething objects, Ring (the RGSomething objects), AST. werner

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] About PBE status was Re: How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 07 Nov 2014, at 14:26, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I (we) really appreciate your work, Kilon. > It is really needed and there is not so much time with the talent/time/will to do it. > > Please, keep going! +111 > Esteban > >> On 07 Nov 2014, at 14:22, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I converted the first 5 chapters to Pharo 3 , 1 chapter has been ported by Stef and another from Damien, so we are more or less at 50% but I gave up as I was burned out and fed up documenting stuff :D. But (Arnold accent) I will be back ! >> >> My conversion was not flawless since this was my first project using Pillar. I think however that is ok quality. >> >> By the way I am aware of the work on the documentation for all books generally because I follow my github feed. >> >> On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> Kilon, >> >> You did start with converting PBE, right ? What is the current status ? I kind of liked the git book. And it is badly needed, indeed. >> >> Sven >> >> > On 07 Nov 2014, at 13:56, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Stef I did not meant it as offence, of course you do great amount of work for documentation. But I cannot ignore the fact that PBE is still stuck to 1.4, that there is no documentation for Pharo Morphic and most libraries if not all are partly documented."lacks documentation" does not mean that there is no documentation. I meant exactly what I typed. >> > >> > Stef you guys do an amazing job and I am proud to be a member of the Pharo community and make my own small contributions to make Pharo more popular and better. >> > >> > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >> > >> > On 4/11/14 13:53, kilon alios wrote: >> >> I have welcomed Amber with open arms, but I have failed miserably to wrap my head around it. >> >> >> >> Is ironic if you think about, Pharo really lacks documentation even in basic areas, >> > Are you joking? I spend my time writing books and chapters and their quality is quite good. >> >> libraries are nowhere near as powerful as those offered by javascript yet I have found Pharo way easier to use. Web development looks to me like a big pile of unnecessary mess. Actually Amber is the best part of it :D >> >> >> >> So the problem for me is not so much the System Browser , but the steep learning curve . Or maybe its just the fact that I dont like many of the web frameworkds, including html / js / css etc. >> >> >> >> I wish I could make something in pharo and click a button to deploy it as a website but alas thats just a dream. >> > >> > I would like to have a solution for that without having a smalltalk compiler in JS as amber is doing. >> >> I think however that for the amount of developers Amber has been making some amazing progress. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com> wrote: >> >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:21:18PM +0200, kilon alios wrote: >> >> > Even though I always have been a supporter of Amber the IDE has still a >> >> > very long way to go. >> >> >> >> I've been meaning to build a code browser for Amber (and GST) in Pharo with >> >> Omnibrowser using the Shampoo protocol[1], once I get some copious spare time. >> >> >> >> [1] http://dmitrymatveev.co.uk/shampoo >> >> >> >> Pierce >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] About PBE status was Re: How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by Esteban Lorenzano

I (we) really appreciate your work, Kilon. It is really needed and there is not so much time with the talent/time/will to do it. Please, keep going! Esteban > On 07 Nov 2014, at 14:22, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I converted the first 5 chapters to Pharo 3 , 1 chapter has been ported by Stef and another from Damien, so we are more or less at 50% but I gave up as I was burned out and fed up documenting stuff :D. But (Arnold accent) I will be back ! > > My conversion was not flawless since this was my first project using Pillar. I think however that is ok quality. > > By the way I am aware of the work on the documentation for all books generally because I follow my github feed. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu <mailto:sven@stfx.eu>> wrote: > Kilon, > > You did start with converting PBE, right ? What is the current status ? I kind of liked the git book. And it is badly needed, indeed. > > Sven > > > On 07 Nov 2014, at 13:56, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com <mailto:kilon.alios@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Stef I did not meant it as offence, of course you do great amount of work for documentation. But I cannot ignore the fact that PBE is still stuck to 1.4, that there is no documentation for Pharo Morphic and most libraries if not all are partly documented."lacks documentation" does not mean that there is no documentation. I meant exactly what I typed. > > > > Stef you guys do an amazing job and I am proud to be a member of the Pharo community and make my own small contributions to make Pharo more popular and better. > > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr <mailto:stepharo@free.fr>> wrote: > > > > On 4/11/14 13:53, kilon alios wrote: > >> I have welcomed Amber with open arms, but I have failed miserably to wrap my head around it. > >> > >> Is ironic if you think about, Pharo really lacks documentation even in basic areas, > > Are you joking? I spend my time writing books and chapters and their quality is quite good. > >> libraries are nowhere near as powerful as those offered by javascript yet I have found Pharo way easier to use. Web development looks to me like a big pile of unnecessary mess. Actually Amber is the best part of it :D > >> > >> So the problem for me is not so much the System Browser , but the steep learning curve . Or maybe its just the fact that I dont like many of the web frameworkds, including html / js / css etc. > >> > >> I wish I could make something in pharo and click a button to deploy it as a website but alas thats just a dream. > > > > I would like to have a solution for that without having a smalltalk compiler in JS as amber is doing. > >> I think however that for the amount of developers Amber has been making some amazing progress. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com <mailto:pierce@samadhiweb.com>> wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:21:18PM +0200, kilon alios wrote: > >> > Even though I always have been a supporter of Amber the IDE has still a > >> > very long way to go. > >> > >> I've been meaning to build a code browser for Amber (and GST) in Pharo with > >> Omnibrowser using the Shampoo protocol[1], once I get some copious spare time. > >> > >> [1] http://dmitrymatveev.co.uk/shampoo <http://dmitrymatveev.co.uk/shampoo> > >> > >> Pierce > >> > >> > > > > > > >

Nov. 7, 2014

About PBE status was Re: How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by kilon alios

I converted the first 5 chapters to Pharo 3 , 1 chapter has been ported by Stef and another from Damien, so we are more or less at 50% but I gave up as I was burned out and fed up documenting stuff :D. But (Arnold accent) I will be back ! My conversion was not flawless since this was my first project using Pillar. I think however that is ok quality. By the way I am aware of the work on the documentation for all books generally because I follow my github feed. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 3:11 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Kilon, > > You did start with converting PBE, right ? What is the current status ? I > kind of liked the git book. And it is badly needed, indeed. > > Sven > > > On 07 Nov 2014, at 13:56, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Stef I did not meant it as offence, of course you do great amount of > work for documentation. But I cannot ignore the fact that PBE is still > stuck to 1.4, that there is no documentation for Pharo Morphic and most > libraries if not all are partly documented."lacks documentation" does not > mean that there is no documentation. I meant exactly what I typed. > > > > Stef you guys do an amazing job and I am proud to be a member of the > Pharo community and make my own small contributions to make Pharo more > popular and better. > > > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > > > On 4/11/14 13:53, kilon alios wrote: > >> I have welcomed Amber with open arms, but I have failed miserably to > wrap my head around it. > >> > >> Is ironic if you think about, Pharo really lacks documentation even in > basic areas, > > Are you joking? I spend my time writing books and chapters and their > quality is quite good. > >> libraries are nowhere near as powerful as those offered by javascript > yet I have found Pharo way easier to use. Web development looks to me like > a big pile of unnecessary mess. Actually Amber is the best part of it :D > >> > >> So the problem for me is not so much the System Browser , but the steep > learning curve . Or maybe its just the fact that I dont like many of the > web frameworkds, including html / js / css etc. > >> > >> I wish I could make something in pharo and click a button to deploy it > as a website but alas thats just a dream. > > > > I would like to have a solution for that without having a smalltalk > compiler in JS as amber is doing. > >> I think however that for the amount of developers Amber has been making > some amazing progress. > >> > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com> > wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:21:18PM +0200, kilon alios wrote: > >> > Even though I always have been a supporter of Amber the IDE has still > a > >> > very long way to go. > >> > >> I've been meaning to build a code browser for Amber (and GST) in Pharo > with > >> Omnibrowser using the Shampoo protocol[1], once I get some copious > spare time. > >> > >> [1] http://dmitrymatveev.co.uk/shampoo > >> > >> Pierce > >> > >> > > > > > > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Kilon, You did start with converting PBE, right ? What is the current status ? I kind of liked the git book. And it is badly needed, indeed. Sven > On 07 Nov 2014, at 13:56, kilon alios <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Stef I did not meant it as offence, of course you do great amount of work for documentation. But I cannot ignore the fact that PBE is still stuck to 1.4, that there is no documentation for Pharo Morphic and most libraries if not all are partly documented."lacks documentation" does not mean that there is no documentation. I meant exactly what I typed. > > Stef you guys do an amazing job and I am proud to be a member of the Pharo community and make my own small contributions to make Pharo more popular and better. > > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > On 4/11/14 13:53, kilon alios wrote: >> I have welcomed Amber with open arms, but I have failed miserably to wrap my head around it. >> >> Is ironic if you think about, Pharo really lacks documentation even in basic areas, > Are you joking? I spend my time writing books and chapters and their quality is quite good. >> libraries are nowhere near as powerful as those offered by javascript yet I have found Pharo way easier to use. Web development looks to me like a big pile of unnecessary mess. Actually Amber is the best part of it :D >> >> So the problem for me is not so much the System Browser , but the steep learning curve . Or maybe its just the fact that I dont like many of the web frameworkds, including html / js / css etc. >> >> I wish I could make something in pharo and click a button to deploy it as a website but alas thats just a dream. > > I would like to have a solution for that without having a smalltalk compiler in JS as amber is doing. >> I think however that for the amount of developers Amber has been making some amazing progress. >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com> wrote: >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:21:18PM +0200, kilon alios wrote: >> > Even though I always have been a supporter of Amber the IDE has still a >> > very long way to go. >> >> I've been meaning to build a code browser for Amber (and GST) in Pharo with >> Omnibrowser using the Shampoo protocol[1], once I get some copious spare time. >> >> [1] http://dmitrymatveev.co.uk/shampoo >> >> Pierce >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by kilon alios

Stef I did not meant it as offence, of course you do great amount of work for documentation. But I cannot ignore the fact that PBE is still stuck to 1.4, that there is no documentation for Pharo Morphic and most libraries if not all are partly documented."lacks documentation" does not mean that there is no documentation. I meant exactly what I typed. Stef you guys do an amazing job and I am proud to be a member of the Pharo community and make my own small contributions to make Pharo more popular and better. On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: > > On 4/11/14 13:53, kilon alios wrote: > > I have welcomed Amber with open arms, but I have failed miserably to wrap > my head around it. > > Is ironic if you think about, Pharo really lacks documentation even in > basic areas, > > Are you joking? I spend my time writing books and chapters and their > quality is quite good. > > libraries are nowhere near as powerful as those offered by javascript > yet I have found Pharo way easier to use. Web development looks to me like > a big pile of unnecessary mess. Actually Amber is the best part of it :D > > So the problem for me is not so much the System Browser , but the steep > learning curve . Or maybe its just the fact that I dont like many of the > web frameworkds, including html / js / css etc. > > I wish I could make something in pharo and click a button to deploy it > as a website but alas thats just a dream. > > > I would like to have a solution for that without having a smalltalk > compiler in JS as amber is doing. > > I think however that for the amount of developers Amber has been making > some amazing progress. > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:21:18PM +0200, kilon alios wrote: >> > Even though I always have been a supporter of Amber the IDE has still a >> > very long way to go. >> >> I've been meaning to build a code browser for Amber (and GST) in Pharo >> with >> Omnibrowser using the Shampoo protocol[1], once I get some copious spare >> time. >> >> [1] http://dmitrymatveev.co.uk/shampoo >> >> Pierce >> >> > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] How not to serve an AngularJs application from Pharo

by stepharo

On 4/11/14 13:53, kilon alios wrote: > I have welcomed Amber with open arms, but I have failed miserably to > wrap my head around it. > > Is ironic if you think about, Pharo really lacks documentation even in > basic areas, Are you joking? I spend my time writing books and chapters and their quality is quite good. > libraries are nowhere near as powerful as those offered by javascript > yet I have found Pharo way easier to use. Web development looks to me > like a big pile of unnecessary mess. Actually Amber is the best part > of it :D > > So the problem for me is not so much the System Browser , but the > steep learning curve . Or maybe its just the fact that I dont like > many of the web frameworkds, including html / js / css etc. > > I wish I could make something in pharo and click a button to deploy it > as a website but alas thats just a dream. I would like to have a solution for that without having a smalltalk compiler in JS as amber is doing. > I think however that for the amount of developers Amber has been > making some amazing progress. > > > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Pierce Ng <pierce(a)samadhiweb.com > <mailto:pierce@samadhiweb.com>> wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:21:18PM +0200, kilon alios wrote: > > Even though I always have been a supporter of Amber the IDE has > still a > > very long way to go. > > I've been meaning to build a code browser for Amber (and GST) in > Pharo with > Omnibrowser using the Shampoo protocol[1], once I get some copious > spare time. > > [1] http://dmitrymatveev.co.uk/shampoo > > Pierce > >

Nov. 7, 2014

What template libraries are available?

by Friedrich Dominicus

For Pharo ? I know of Mustache, any other contender? Regards Friedrich

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Bug? in Filein

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 07 Nov 2014, at 08:36, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Great. > > This platform is a joy to work with and becomes better all the time. > > 2015 will be a great Pharo4 year :-) > > Phil +10 > On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> On 06 Nov 2014, at 21:59, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> Yes, this has been annoying for a long time. >> >> Does backport means that it will be in the downloadable image of 3.0? >> >> Thanks a lot! >> >> > > Yes! It is already noted as âfix to includeâ, I will do an update for Pharo3 today. > > Marcus > >

Nov. 7, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Bug? in Filein

by phil＠highoctane.be

Great. This platform is a joy to work with and becomes better all the time. 2015 will be a great Pharo4 year :-) Phil On Fri, Nov 7, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On 06 Nov 2014, at 21:59, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > Yes, this has been annoying for a long time. > > Does backport means that it will be in the downloadable image of 3.0? > > Thanks a lot! > > > Yes! It is already noted as âfix to includeâ, I will do an update for > Pharo3 today. > > Marcus > >

Nov. 7, 2014