September 2013 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What is the advantage of using Pier over LaTeX? - simpler syntax so that more people can contribute (let's see if that happens) - we can choose what we generate (latex, html, markdown, epub, iBook...) and customize the output for our books -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Yuriy Tymchuk

You can generate HTML (, EPUB, etcâ¦) uko On 17 Ð²ÐµÑ. 2013, at 15:03, "Esteban A. Maringolo" <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > What is the advantage of using Pier over LaTeX? > > > Esteban A. Maringolo > > > 2013/9/17 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: >> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: >>> In the Pier Book Add-on, there should be a class category: >>> >>> Pier-Book-EPUB >>> >>> It should put a 'Book EPUB' view in the view commands of a Book structure. >>> Clicking on it should download an EPUB of the Pier Book. >> >> >> the Deep into Pharo book is written in LaTeX, not Pier. For the next >> book, we will use Pier >> (https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/) >> >> -- >> Damien Cassou >> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >> >> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >> losing enthusiasm." >> Winston Churchill >> >

Sept. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Esteban A. Maringolo

What is the advantage of using Pier over LaTeX? Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/9/17 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: > On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: >> In the Pier Book Add-on, there should be a class category: >> >> Pier-Book-EPUB >> >> It should put a 'Book EPUB' view in the view commands of a Book structure. >> Clicking on it should download an EPUB of the Pier Book. > > > the Deep into Pharo book is written in LaTeX, not Pier. For the next > book, we will use Pier > (https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/) > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill >

Sept. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] News from Mars

by Damien Cassou

Hi Carla, On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I wanted to let you know that I've been updating my blog on Mars with the > latest news, I've just posted some videos showing how different kinds of > layouts and widgets are working together on both Cocoa and GTK. that's great news! I think Mars is what I need for the Pharo Launcher. Do you think I could implement what you see on the screenshot (https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoLauncher/) or something similar using Mars? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Damien Cassou

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> wrote: > In the Pier Book Add-on, there should be a class category: > > Pier-Book-EPUB > > It should put a 'Book EPUB' view in the view commands of a Book structure. > Clicking on it should download an EPUB of the Pier Book. the Deep into Pharo book is written in LaTeX, not Pier. For the next book, we will use Pier (https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/) -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Sept. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Yanni Chiu

On 16/09/13 10:52 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: > http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ can convert latex to epub. epub is > actually a wrapper around html, so if it's written in pier it can be > even easier. In the Pier Book Add-on, there should be a class category: Pier-Book-EPUB It should put a 'Book EPUB' view in the view commands of a Book structure. Clicking on it should download an EPUB of the Pier Book. Hmmm. I just looked and it seems it's only in the Pier2 Book, and not in the Pier3 Book. It should port to Pier3 easily - I'll get to it eventually, unless someone else does. (It seems that it got put into the Pier2 repository just around the time that the Pier3 split was done).

Sept. 17, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by phil＠highoctane.be

http://www.LeanPub.com would be a great avenue for a Pharo book in terms of exposure. The format to use is Markdown I guess. And then it delivers the book in a ton of formats. You can even print them with one of their partners. Pretty good revenue. A friend of mine wrote this one: https://leanpub.com/entarch and is very happy w/ the results. --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:phil@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog: http://philippeback.be | Twitter: @philippeback Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/philippeback/videos High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 | 1301 Bierges | Belgium Pharo Consortium Member - http://consortium.pharo.org/ Featured on the Software Process and Measurement Cast - http://spamcast.libsyn.com Sparx Systems Enterprise Architect and Ability Engineering EADocX Value Added Reseller On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Stef, > > On 09/16/2013 10:47 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I don't have time to make an ebook ecommerce site for free for you guys > >> right now. > > > > this is not a ecommerce > > This is a web page with a secure ecard + a following page with a pdf to > download. > > > > > > What you've described sounds like eCommerce to me. Collect money for a > product via the web. Deliver the product via the web or post. > > > For your page & download links you need an account at a payment > processor. If you set it up with stripe.com (they have a beta program > for France) you could use the Stripe-Seaside example form in the repo on > smalltalkhub. The charge something like 3% + $0.30 per transaction to > process a credit card. It all works in Pharo2. > > > >> How about using gumroad.com where its just a 5% cut for now until you > >> can find a student and some budget to implement something? > > > > We do not have students for such kind of task. > > > > Oh OK. I was just guessing that there would be at least one person who > would like to earn some small amount of euro to spend a part of a > saturday making a simple form + download page (ebook platform) that runs > on your infrastructure for your ebook sales to maybe go take someone > special to them on dates or a concert or something fun. > > > >> Seems like you'd need to commit to raising your prices beyond 6 euro to > >> justify any development time on your own custom ebook platform. > > > > Why would we do so? our goal is not to develop ebook platform. > > > > Stef > > > > I agree that with your current pricing structure anything custom > developed is nonsensical as you'd only be saving 2% on the sales price > over just switching to gumroad.com. My original argument was A) raise > your prices and then B) stop using lulu for ebooks. Unless you raise > prices, use gumroad.com. Or don't. At 6 euro you only earn 0.67 euro > more per sale if you switch to Gumroad (5% + $0.30) vs staying with lulu. > > I think you misinterpret me saying "platform". I do not mean something > with tons of inventory management capabilities or other features. I > mean custom software that integrates with the current consortium site > that allows you to sell eBooks through that site. E.g. the order form > page you mention above + credit card processing back end and download > link generator (if you want a different one for each person to track how > often it gets downloaded by each customer), and then download link page > plus an email sent to the customer so they can get another copy (e.g. > after their hard drive dies). > > > Thanks > > Paul > > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 09/16/2013 09:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >>> > >>> On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>>> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost > download > >>>>> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you > >>>>> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be > >>>>> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF > >>>>> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place > to > >>>>> automatically respond to their orders? > >>>> > >>>> I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to > >>>> build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. > >>> > >>> Oh YES!!! > >>> We would love to have that. > >>> > >>> Stef > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Damien Cassou > >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > >>>> > >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > >>>> losing enthusiasm." > >>>> Winston Churchill > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by Paul DeBruicker

Hi Stef, On 09/16/2013 10:47 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't have time to make an ebook ecommerce site for free for you guys >> right now. > > this is not a ecommerce > This is a web page with a secure ecard + a following page with a pdf to download. > > What you've described sounds like eCommerce to me. Collect money for a product via the web. Deliver the product via the web or post. For your page & download links you need an account at a payment processor. If you set it up with stripe.com (they have a beta program for France) you could use the Stripe-Seaside example form in the repo on smalltalkhub. The charge something like 3% + $0.30 per transaction to process a credit card. It all works in Pharo2. >> How about using gumroad.com where its just a 5% cut for now until you >> can find a student and some budget to implement something? > > We do not have students for such kind of task. > Oh OK. I was just guessing that there would be at least one person who would like to earn some small amount of euro to spend a part of a saturday making a simple form + download page (ebook platform) that runs on your infrastructure for your ebook sales to maybe go take someone special to them on dates or a concert or something fun. >> Seems like you'd need to commit to raising your prices beyond 6 euro to >> justify any development time on your own custom ebook platform. > > Why would we do so? our goal is not to develop ebook platform. > > Stef I agree that with your current pricing structure anything custom developed is nonsensical as you'd only be saving 2% on the sales price over just switching to gumroad.com. My original argument was A) raise your prices and then B) stop using lulu for ebooks. Unless you raise prices, use gumroad.com. Or don't. At 6 euro you only earn 0.67 euro more per sale if you switch to Gumroad (5% + $0.30) vs staying with lulu. I think you misinterpret me saying "platform". I do not mean something with tons of inventory management capabilities or other features. I mean custom software that integrates with the current consortium site that allows you to sell eBooks through that site. E.g. the order form page you mention above + credit card processing back end and download link generator (if you want a different one for each person to track how often it gets downloaded by each customer), and then download link page plus an email sent to the customer so they can get another copy (e.g. after their hard drive dies). Thanks Paul > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 09/16/2013 09:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download >>>>> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you >>>>> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be >>>>> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF >>>>> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to >>>>> automatically respond to their orders? >>>> >>>> I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to >>>> build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. >>> >>> Oh YES!!! >>> We would love to have that. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Damien Cassou >>>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>>> losing enthusiasm." >>>> Winston Churchill >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [smaltalk-gsoc-students] News from Mars

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks carla. Native widgets opens really new horizons :) Stef On Sep 16, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Carla F. Griggio <carla.griggio(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey! > I wanted to let you know that I've been updating my blog on Mars with the latest news, I've just posted some videos showing how different kinds of layouts and widgets are working together on both Cocoa and GTK. > > The blog: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/. > > For the ones that are interested in some implementation challenges that I had while building layouts that could work for both Cocoa and GTK, I recommend reading this post: http://marsonpharo.wordpress.com/2013/09/13/the-challenges-behind-building-… > > Cheers! > Carla. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC students" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-students+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.

Sept. 16, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Please help us by buying the book

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I don't have time to make an ebook ecommerce site for free for you guys > right now. this is not a ecommerce This is a web page with a secure ecard + a following page with a pdf to download. > How about using gumroad.com where its just a 5% cut for now until you > can find a student and some budget to implement something? We do not have students for such kind of task. > Seems like you'd need to commit to raising your prices beyond 6 euro to > justify any development time on your own custom ebook platform. Why would we do so? our goal is not to develop ebook platform. Stef > > > > > > > On 09/16/2013 09:22 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >> On Sep 16, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> 2. Why give lulu 20% to control access to a zero marginal cost download >>>> that you have to do all the promotion for? At this point are you >>>> contractually obligated or is there some flexibility? Can that be >>>> switched over right now to just email you when someone orders the PDF >>>> and you manually email them the PDF until you get a system in place to >>>> automatically respond to their orders? >>> >>> I don't think we are obligated to do anything. So, if you want to >>> build a little app that would do that, we would really like it. >> >> Oh YES!!! >> We would love to have that. >> >> Stef >> >> >>> >>> -- >>> Damien Cassou >>> http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without >>> losing enthusiasm." >>> Winston Churchill >>> >> >> > >

Sept. 16, 2013