August 2013 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

thanks! misdeclaring dependencies is the source of future hell :) I just deleted the wrong repository and I'm having a look now. Stef On Aug 31, 2013, at 1:55 PM, vmusulainen <vmusulainen(a)mail.ru> wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote >> I will fix the configruation and ask you to try. > > I found another dependency: > > Method PMInterface>>send: uses class GRPharoUtf8Codec. This class exists in > package "Grease-Pharo-Core" (Seaside framework). > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705915.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by vmusulainen

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote > I will fix the configruation and ask you to try. I found another dependency: Method PMInterface>>send: uses class GRPharoUtf8Codec. This class exists in package "Grease-Pharo-Core" (Seaside framework). -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705915.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote >> Did you try to load the JSON configuration first? > > Yep, but which package consist need classes? I ask it at first post. > > > Wow, I found JSON package at smalltalkhub.com. > > I first load JSON package from smalltalkhub.com and postmark package > successfully loaded. > Good, thank you. I will fix the configruation and ask you to try. > > I resume my notes: > > 1. Wrong reference to external site with example of usage postmark > http://articles.tulipemoutarde.be/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark - > incorrect > http://tulipemoutarde.be/2011/12/29/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark.html > - correct > > 2. At smalltalkhub.com exists two projects > a. PharoExtras/Postmark - correct project with packages > b. PharoExtras/postmark - emp[ty project without packages > > I understand that you have little time, can I do something to help fix it? To help me please read the metacello chapter! of Pharo By example two (deep into pharo) so that next time you can manage/ maintain/extend the configruation of Postmark. I do not need postmark but I want it to be available for people. Now this is better if people needed it can take of what they use. Stef > > Vladimir Musulainen > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705900.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] voyage/mongo randomly wrong OIDs

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Sabine what we could do is to propose a "subclass of UUID" and to group several UUID generators. Like that with a couple of classes, we could get a better eco system where people can pick the one they want. stef On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:49 AM, Sabine KnÃ¶fel <sabine.knoefel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Esteban, > > yes, Mongo is not very communicative ;-) > > I replaced OID>>nextOID with my own RKAOIDGenerator > > nextOID > ^self value: (RKAOIDGenerator getNextOID) > > instead of > > nextOID > ^self value: (UUIDGenerator default makeSeed) > > > RKAOIDGenerator uses Time>>primMillisecondClock at startup and adds +1 each time I getNextOID as you suggested. > > This works fine. It seems to be much much much faster than the existing solution. > > [4000 timesRepeat: [UUIDGenerator default makeSeed]] timeToRun ==>> 5817 > [4000 timesRepeat: [RKAOIDGenerator getNextOID]] timeToRun ==> 1 (!!) > > Perhaps a solution like this would be a better solution for all because it is faster and guarantees unique IDs? > > Sabine > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:58 PM, EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hi, > > One idea (not sure if it will work) > > You can take > > Time primUTCMicrosecondsClock > > when system start, then increase it sequentially. > most probably that will ensure uniqueness while providing fast ids. > > but of course, that depends, you need to check in your system. > > I'm thinking on provide different ID generators for Voyage, and let people plug what is more convenient for them. > > (all of this happens because, unlike other db drivers, mongo does not answer the inserted id :( ) > > Esteban > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Sabine KnÃ¶fel <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > So, I will wait and till then, use the solution of Jan. > > Thank you, Jan for the file in. > > Sabine > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/voyage-mongo-randomly-wrong-OIDs-tp4705396p4705821.ht… > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://forum.world.st/voyage-mongo-randomly-wrong-OIDs-tp4705396p4705827.ht… > To unsubscribe from voyage/mongo randomly wrong OIDs, click here. > NAML > > > View this message in context: Re: voyage/mongo randomly wrong OIDs > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I will have a look and update the configuration. On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:23 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:14 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> I will give a try later. >> And see how we can fix it. >> Did you try to load the JSON configuration first? >> > > We are using PostMark in the ESUG registration appâ¦ so it should work. > > You need to load JSON, though. > > (we should update the config) > > Postmark is actually *very* *very* interesting for sending mailâ¦ you outsource > all the haste of being blacklisted and things like that. > > The downside is that it costs money: $1.50 per 10.000 mails. > >> Stef >> >> On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:47 AM, vmusulainen <vmusulainen(a)mail.ru> wrote: >> >>> I try loading from smalltalkhub.com with same results. >>> >>> Ant at smalltalkhub.com wrong link to external site >>> (http://articles.tulipemoutarde.be/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark) - >>> wrong >>> http://tulipemoutarde.be/2011/12/29/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark.html >>> - right >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705887.html >>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >> >> >

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by vmusulainen

Marcus Denker-4 wrote > Postmark is actually *very* *very* interesting for sending mailâ¦ you > outsource > all the haste of being blacklisted and things like that. Yes, you are right. I write shop engine and should use postmark for sending order to customers and managers. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705902.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by vmusulainen

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote > Did you try to load the JSON configuration first? Yep, but which package consist need classes? I ask it at first post. Wow, I found JSON package at smalltalkhub.com. I first load JSON package from smalltalkhub.com and postmark package successfully loaded. Good, thank you. I resume my notes: 1. Wrong reference to external site with example of usage postmark http://articles.tulipemoutarde.be/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark - incorrect http://tulipemoutarde.be/2011/12/29/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark.html - correct 2. At smalltalkhub.com exists two projects a. PharoExtras/Postmark - correct project with packages b. PharoExtras/postmark - emp[ty project without packages I understand that you have little time, can I do something to help fix it? Vladimir Musulainen -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705900.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] voyage/mongo randomly wrong OIDs

by Sabine KnÃ¶fel

Hi Esteban, yes, Mongo is not very communicative ;-) I replaced OID>>nextOID with my own RKAOIDGenerator nextOID ^self value: (RKAOIDGenerator getNextOID) instead of nextOID ^self value: (UUIDGenerator default makeSeed) RKAOIDGenerator uses Time>>primMillisecondClock at startup and adds +1 each time I getNextOID as you suggested. This works fine. It seems to be much much much faster than the existing solution. [4000 timesRepeat: [UUIDGenerator default makeSeed]] timeToRun ==>> 5817 [4000 timesRepeat: [RKAOIDGenerator getNextOID]] timeToRun ==> 1 (!!) Perhaps a solution like this would be a better solution for all because it is faster and guarantees unique IDs? Sabine On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 5:58 PM, EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n4705827h32(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Hi, > > One idea (not sure if it will work) > > You can take > > Time primUTCMicrosecondsClock > > when system start, then increase it sequentially. > most probably that will ensure uniqueness while providing fast ids. > > but of course, that depends, you need to check in your system. > > I'm thinking on provide different ID generators for Voyage, and let people > plug what is more convenient for them. > > (all of this happens because, unlike other db drivers, mongo does not > answer the inserted id :( ) > > Esteban > > On Aug 30, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Sabine KnÃ¶fel <[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4705827&i=0>> > wrote: > > > So, I will wait and till then, use the solution of Jan. > > Thank you, Jan for the file in. > > Sabine > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/voyage-mongo-randomly-wrong-OIDs-tp4705396p4705821.ht… > > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/voyage-mongo-randomly-wrong-OIDs-tp4705396p4705827.ht… > To unsubscribe from voyage/mongo randomly wrong OIDs, click here<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…> > . > NAML<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/voyage-mongo-randomly-wrong-OIDs-tp4705396p4705898.ht… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by Marcus Denker

On Aug 31, 2013, at 11:14 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I will give a try later. > And see how we can fix it. > Did you try to load the JSON configuration first? > We are using PostMark in the ESUG registration appâ¦ so it should work. You need to load JSON, though. (we should update the config) Postmark is actually *very* *very* interesting for sending mailâ¦ you outsource all the haste of being blacklisted and things like that. The downside is that it costs money: $1.50 per 10.000 mails. > Stef > > On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:47 AM, vmusulainen <vmusulainen(a)mail.ru> wrote: > >> I try loading from smalltalkhub.com with same results. >> >> Ant at smalltalkhub.com wrong link to external site >> (http://articles.tulipemoutarde.be/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark) - >> wrong >> http://tulipemoutarde.be/2011/12/29/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark.html >> - right >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705887.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >

Aug. 31, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Postmark email library

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I will give a try later. And see how we can fix it. Did you try to load the JSON configuration first? Stef On Aug 31, 2013, at 9:47 AM, vmusulainen <vmusulainen(a)mail.ru> wrote: > I try loading from smalltalkhub.com with same results. > > Ant at smalltalkhub.com wrong link to external site > (http://articles.tulipemoutarde.be/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark) - > wrong > http://tulipemoutarde.be/2011/12/29/send-email-from-pharo-with-postmark.html > - right > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Postmark-email-library-tp4254680p4705887.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Aug. 31, 2013