June 2013 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Marcus Denker

On Jun 28, 2013, at 12:05 AM, ubuntourist <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > OK. I surrender. ;-) > > So, not liking unnecessary clutter, can I pare down the Pharo + > Kitchen Sink ZIP file (OneClick)? It looks like the only things I'd > need from that are the Contents/Linux and Contents/Resources > directories (and the shell script to launch the pieces properly). Yes? -> either install the ubuntu package OR: -> Download not the One-Click but just the linux version: http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-2-0 Marcus

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Paul DeBruicker

Yes I think so. On 06/27/2013 03:04 PM, ubuntourist wrote: > OK. I surrender. ;-) > > So, not liking unnecessary clutter, can I pare down the Pharo + > Kitchen Sink ZIP file (OneClick)? It looks like the only things I'd > need from that are the Contents/Linux and Contents/Resources > directories (and the shell script to launch the pieces properly). Yes? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: Package browser? > <http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695823.html> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive > <http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html> at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by ubuntourist

OK. I surrender. ;-) So, not liking unnecessary clutter, can I pare down the Pharo + Kitchen Sink ZIP file (OneClick)? It looks like the only things I'd need from that are the Contents/Linux and Contents/Resources directories (and the shell script to launch the pieces properly). Yes? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695823.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] how to use RBClassRegexRefactoring in Pharo 2 ?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-06-27, at 23:45, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 06/27/2013 02:38 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: >> >> On 2013-06-27, at 20:36, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> In Nautilus when I try to use the 'Class Regex' menu item in Pharo 2 >>> 20605 I get an error that RBRegexClassRefactoring is an existing class >>> in the system. In earlier Pharo versions you would select that menu >>> item, make your changes, save them and then the refactoring would run. >>> How do you do it now? >> >> Where do you have this menu? I couldn't find it in Nautilus :/ >> > > Ahh. Right click on a class name in the class list pane, then choose > > Refactoring > Code Rewriting > Class Regex Ok, better, now I can reproduce it :), However I don't think this will be fixed in 2.0, sorry. That is a too "exotic" feature. Currently 2.0 is in stable mode, so we do as little changes to that system as possible, mainly "real"/"big" bugs (highly subjective ;)) I'll open a bug report for 3.0 though https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?11052 thanks for reporting

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] how to use RBClassRegexRefactoring in Pharo 2 ?

by Paul DeBruicker

On 06/27/2013 02:38 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > > On 2013-06-27, at 20:36, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> In Nautilus when I try to use the 'Class Regex' menu item in Pharo 2 >> 20605 I get an error that RBRegexClassRefactoring is an existing class >> in the system. In earlier Pharo versions you would select that menu >> item, make your changes, save them and then the refactoring would run. >> How do you do it now? > > Where do you have this menu? I couldn't find it in Nautilus :/ > Ahh. Right click on a class name in the class list pane, then choose Refactoring > Code Rewriting > Class Regex

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Paul DeBruicker

Hi ubuntourist, Its probably more helpful to think of it like learning to drive a car. Yes we may want to learn and be taught in the family's brand new car but you can get the hang of things equally well in the 7 yr old sedan. The differences between not knowing how to drive and knowing how to drive are smaller than the differences between the cars. Other than the BouncingAtomsMorph the things you mention as missing are in the new image but look and act a little differently. Start with the old stuff to get the concepts. When you move to the new stuff it'll be like learning to drive a stick shift after getting your license in an automatic. Ask questions plenty of questions. Good luck Paul On 06/27/2013 02:21 PM, ubuntourist wrote: > I am just starting with Pharo and would like to learn what is being offered > at www.pharo-project.org. (I'm also partial to Ubuntu packages, for which > the Pharo Project site helpfully provides instructions.) However, all > tutorial documentation seems to point to a VM and image that are four years > old. > > Is there any attempt at providing a PBE image that works with a current VM > or documentation that matches the VM and image offered? > > Since the examples (BouncingAtomsMorph, package browser, class browser, > button / menu settings) don't appear to be there for the newer VM and image > -- at least not in ways that are obvious to a newcomer, is there a point to > learning something that is obsolete? (Or, alternatively, is there a point > in learning the new Pharo?) I'd rather not learn something and then have to > immediately unlearn / forget it. > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695809.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by Marcus Denker

On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:22 PM, ubuntourist <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I am just starting with Pharo and would like to learn what is being offered > at www.pharo-project.org. (I'm also partial to Ubuntu packages, for which > the Pharo Project site helpfully provides instructions.) However, all > tutorial documentation seems to point to a VM and image that are four years > old. > > Is there any attempt at providing a PBE image that works with a current VM > or documentation that matches the VM and image offered? > > Since the examples (BouncingAtomsMorph, package browser, class browser, > button / menu settings) don't appear to be there for the newer VM and image > -- at least not in ways that are obvious to a newcomer, is there a point to > learning something that is obsolete? (Or, alternatively, is there a point > in learning the new Pharo?) I'd rather not learn something and then have to > immediately unlearn / forget it. > We really need to update the PBE bookâ¦ but I wonder how. Marcus

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] how to use RBClassRegexRefactoring in Pharo 2 ?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2013-06-27, at 20:36, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In Nautilus when I try to use the 'Class Regex' menu item in Pharo 2 > 20605 I get an error that RBRegexClassRefactoring is an existing class > in the system. In earlier Pharo versions you would select that menu > item, make your changes, save them and then the refactoring would run. > How do you do it now? Where do you have this menu? I couldn't find it in Nautilus :/

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Package browser?

by ubuntourist

I am just starting with Pharo and would like to learn what is being offered at www.pharo-project.org. (I'm also partial to Ubuntu packages, for which the Pharo Project site helpfully provides instructions.) However, all tutorial documentation seems to point to a VM and image that are four years old. Is there any attempt at providing a PBE image that works with a current VM or documentation that matches the VM and image offered? Since the examples (BouncingAtomsMorph, package browser, class browser, button / menu settings) don't appear to be there for the newer VM and image -- at least not in ways that are obvious to a newcomer, is there a point to learning something that is obsolete? (Or, alternatively, is there a point in learning the new Pharo?) I'd rather not learn something and then have to immediately unlearn / forget it. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Package-browser-tp3321070p4695809.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 27, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

by Igor Stasenko

On 27 June 2013 20:51, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 27 Jun 2013, at 20:41, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 27 June 2013 18:32, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I told you: 2 man/month >>> (not taking NB-FFI into account) >>> >> That is a bit optimistic :) >> But reasonable. > > Just to be clear: the goal is to make the current Cog & Stack VMs decent 64-bit apps that can operate on a 64-bit OS without needing special/extra 32-bit libs, while keeping intact the current 32-bit internal memory/pointer model, right ? > > And that on all 3 platforms ? > > Make that at least 3 months ;-) > Be careful with using 'decent'. Because to my opinion, i cannot call even our today's 32-bit VMs decent. They are OK as to me. But i want more/better etc before i can call them decent. :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

June 27, 2013